https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIwClearly there is no similarity between the US health (so-called) service and ours and this government is not moving us in that direction.
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not
yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry
into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to
be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIw
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not
yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry
into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to
be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:10:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Of course there are - our population needs much the same services as
wrote:
https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIw
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not
yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry
into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to
be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
There is no connection between healthcare services provision in the
USA and here and nothing we can learn from that unfortunate event.
I see nothing wrong with evolving government provision of services -
do you?
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:10:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIw
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not
yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry
into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to
be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
There is no connection between healthcare services provision in the
USA and here and nothing we can learn from that unfortunate event.
I see nothing wrong with evolving government provision of services -
do you?
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 10:22:40 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:10:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Of course there are - our population needs much the same services as
https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIw
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not >>>yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry
into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to
be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
There is no connection between healthcare services provision in the
USA and here and nothing we can learn from that unfortunate event.
are needed in the USA, we suffer from similar emergency and hospital
needs, and we have a mixture of private and public provision of
services - albeit arranged in a different way than in the USA. We also
use the same pharmaceuticals as the USA, often from USA providers . .
We are seeing growth in provision of hospital services through
privately owned hospitals - three private hospitals in Wellington have
either recently expanded or have buildings under construction now; and
there is similar expansion of private provision elsewhere. In relation
to dental services, the increase in student fees under a previous National-led government (and not reversed subsequently) has meant that
most newly qualified dentists are not able to afford to purchase the equipment needed to practice; private capital has led to many now
working for a corporate privately owned provider. Groupings of private medical doctors are becoming more common, either owned by a small
group of doctors, or owned by a corporate entity that is part owned by shareholders that are not medical practitioners. Prescription charges
have been re-introduced, and costs for GP visits are now nearly
universal and are increasing at a faster rate than inflation.
We have a lower percentage of the population with private medical
insurance than either Australia or the USA,
but I suspect the number
trying to hold such cover is currently increasing for working New
Zealanders - those in retirement know that premiums are growing so
fast with age that beyond about age 70 most New Zealanders cannot
afford premiums.
the real concern is that public hospitals are increasingly not able to
see patients promptly when they present for assessment and treatment,
and there is concern that we are moving directly towards a USA-type
two level system
I see nothing wrong with evolving government provision of services -
do you?
On 2024-12-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:New Zealand is currently moving sharply in the other direction.
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 10:22:40 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:10:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Of course there are - our population needs much the same services as
https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIw
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not >>>>yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry
into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to
be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
There is no connection between healthcare services provision in the
USA and here and nothing we can learn from that unfortunate event.
are needed in the USA, we suffer from similar emergency and hospital
needs, and we have a mixture of private and public provision of
services - albeit arranged in a different way than in the USA. We also
use the same pharmaceuticals as the USA, often from USA providers . .
That does not mean that there are not diferences. The USA has not had a >"social care" changes through the people demanding a more caring society.
NZ, and other countries have.
.
We are seeing growth in provision of hospital services through
privately owned hospitals - three private hospitals in Wellington have
either recently expanded or have buildings under construction now; and
there is similar expansion of private provision elsewhere. In relation
to dental services, the increase in student fees under a previous
National-led government (and not reversed subsequently) has meant that
most newly qualified dentists are not able to afford to purchase the
equipment needed to practice; private capital has led to many now
working for a corporate privately owned provider. Groupings of private
medical doctors are becoming more common, either owned by a small
group of doctors, or owned by a corporate entity that is part owned by
shareholders that are not medical practitioners. Prescription charges
have been re-introduced, and costs for GP visits are now nearly
universal and are increasing at a faster rate than inflation.
We have a lower percentage of the population with private medical
insurance than either Australia or the USA,
That could be argued that it is because NZ has a good public health system. And the expansion of private hospitals suggests that some are seeing opportunities for profits through private services expansion . . .
but I suspect the number
trying to hold such cover is currently increasing for working New
Zealanders - those in retirement know that premiums are growing so
fast with age that beyond about age 70 most New Zealanders cannot
afford premiums.
the real concern is that public hospitals are increasingly not able to
see patients promptly when they present for assessment and treatment,
and there is concern that we are moving directly towards a USA-type
two level system
I see nothing wrong with evolving government provision of services -
do you?
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 10:22:40 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:10:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Of course there are blah blah blah...
https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIw
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not >>>yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry
into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to
be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
There is no connection between healthcare services provision in the
USA and here and nothing we can learn from that unfortunate event.
On 9 Dec 2024 03:59:32 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have provided no data to support that. So it is worthless.
On 2024-12-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:New Zealand is currently moving sharply in the other direction.
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 10:22:40 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:10:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:Of course there are - our population needs much the same services as
https://youtu.be/sGMgkO1XFIw
Hopefully not - our largest health insurer does run hospitals, but not >>>>>yet at a level that dominates healthcare, but putting the industry >>>>>into more "for profit" organisations is where Act1stNat do appear to >>>>>be taking healthcare, and schools, and universities, and . . .
There is no connection between healthcare services provision in the
USA and here and nothing we can learn from that unfortunate event.
are needed in the USA, we suffer from similar emergency and hospital
needs, and we have a mixture of private and public provision of
services - albeit arranged in a different way than in the USA. We also
use the same pharmaceuticals as the USA, often from USA providers . .
That does not mean that there are not diferences. The USA has not had a >>"social care" changes through the people demanding a more caring society. >>NZ, and other countries have.
Surgeons are increasingly working in both private and public hospitals
to first increase their pay, second to have better equipped and better >staffed operating theatres, third to get urgent patients through
surgery, either paying for private or by contract to the private
hospital from the public hospital that is not able to cope. It does of
course cost the public system more for such operations, but private
hospitals are not losing staff due to paying below market . . .
So? That has not changed..
We are seeing growth in provision of hospital services through
privately owned hospitals - three private hospitals in Wellington have
either recently expanded or have buildings under construction now; and
there is similar expansion of private provision elsewhere. In relation
to dental services, the increase in student fees under a previous
National-led government (and not reversed subsequently) has meant that
most newly qualified dentists are not able to afford to purchase the
equipment needed to practice; private capital has led to many now
working for a corporate privately owned provider. Groupings of private
medical doctors are becoming more common, either owned by a small
group of doctors, or owned by a corporate entity that is part owned by
shareholders that are not medical practitioners. Prescription charges
have been re-introduced, and costs for GP visits are now nearly
universal and are increasing at a faster rate than inflation.
We have a lower percentage of the population with private medical
insurance than either Australia or the USA,
That could be argued that it is because NZ has a good public health system. >And the expansion of private hospitals suggests that some are seeing >opportunities for profits through private services expansion . . .
WHo are these ?many? and where is the data?
but I suspect the number
trying to hold such cover is currently increasing for working New
Zealanders - those in retirement know that premiums are growing so
fast with age that beyond about age 70 most New Zealanders cannot
afford premiums.
the real concern is that public hospitals are increasingly not able to
see patients promptly when they present for assessment and treatment,
and there is concern that we are moving directly towards a USA-type
two level system
I see nothing wrong with evolving government provision of services -
do you?
Many would like to see government provided health services get back to
the levels of only a short time ago - the budget reductions pushed
through by Act1stNational are leading to our government services being >devolved to private services or just reductions in services - many are
very concerned, and finding Australia attractive . . .
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