Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However
I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of
Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party,
not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very
different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not
endorse TPM prior to the last election.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, and >nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However
I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of
Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party,
not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very
different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not
endorse TPM prior to the last election.
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my post. >We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs I suggested, TPM is a very different party to the Maori party. You have provided nothing to say otherwise, in fact you have supported that view. Well done.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, and >>nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However
I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of
Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party,
not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are
wilfully ignorant.
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .
As for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes -
which have seen for the Maori Party:
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
Why do you deliberatewly mangle people's names or title? Is is childishness or incompetence? Do tell!I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my post. >>We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly.
I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance
don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you
would have any more success?
If the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% ofOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective,
and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of
votes?
For a different perspective, this Australian produced video mayOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why
some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for
Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest -Off topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the
NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzUOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, and >>nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However
I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of
Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party,
not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are
wilfully ignorant.
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .
As for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes -
which have seen for the Maori Party:
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my post. >>We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly.
I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance
don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you
would have any more success?
If the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% of
votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective,
and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of
votes?
For a different perspective, this Australian produced video may
explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why
some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for
Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest -
which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the
NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzU
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 11:24:02 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>That they are the same party! Sheesh!
wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyIgnorant of what? Do you believe that the Maori Party under the
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, and
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However >>>>I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of
Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party,
not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are >>wilfully ignorant.
leadership of Turia and Sharples is similar to TPM?
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .Why? What would that reveal?
The attitude The Maori Party has not changed - they are however nowAs for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes -When you resort to childish name-calling like this Rich, you
which have seen for the Maori Party:
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my post.
We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly.
I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance
don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you
would have any more success?
demonstrate that you have nothing of substance to add to the debate.
If the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% ofWho said anything to the contrary?
votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective,
and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of
votes?
For a different perspective, this Australian produced video mayThere you go again, introducing rhetoric irrelevant to this thread.
explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >>providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why
some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for
Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest -
which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the
NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzU
This is a thread about recognising the life of Tariana Turia, not a
thread about your fantasy conspiracy theories. Your childish attempt
to hijack a thread is demonstrated again.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs I suggested, TPM is a very different party to the Maori party. You have >provided nothing to say otherwise, in fact you have supported that view. Well >done.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, and
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However >>>>I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of
Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party,
not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are >>wilfully ignorant.
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .
As for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes -
which have seen for the Maori Party:
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
Why do you deliberatewly mangle words, Toni?Why do you deliberatewly mangle people's names or title? Is is childishness or >incompetence? Do tell!
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my post.
We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly.
I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance
don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you
would have any more success?
It is a response to the stupid assertion that Te Pati Maori hasIf the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% ofOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective,
and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of
votes?
For a different perspective, this Australian produced video mayOff topic, nothing to do with Turiana.
explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >>providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why
some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for
Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little.
It relates directly to the stupid assertions above that I wasOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest -
which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the
NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
Off topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzU
You really are nasty, using the death of such a special person for political >purposes - but no surprise there.Again you lie - you are getting more disgraceful as your favoured
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:22:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is you that is an idiot. They have changed as a party dramatically, and that is exactly what I wrote.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs I suggested, TPM is a very different party to the Maori party. You have >>provided nothing to say otherwise, in fact you have supported that view. Well >>done.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, >>>>and
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However >>>>>I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of >>>>>Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party, >>>>>not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are >>>wilfully ignorant.
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .
As for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes - >>>which have seen for the Maori Party:
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
You really are an idiot - you didn't look them up - The Maori Party
_is_ Te Pati Maori. Small parties do tend to change over time -
National has declined significantly since John Key was PM - and his >government was significantly different to those under Muldoon and
Bolger . . .
ACT has changed nearly everything under Seymour - but is still ACT.
NZ First is now largely two people trying to set themselves up for
retirement - not much change there
But Te Pati Maori policies have not changed for the last few elections
- they radical change is that their constituency is under attack from
the racist government parties who do not want to honour agreements of
past governments - see the youtube link below which shows how much
National has changed its attitude to Maori under Chris Luxon - so of
course The Maori Party has reacted to that betrayal of New Zealand . .
.I do not. You are a liar.
Why do you deliberatewly mangle words, Toni?Why do you deliberatewly mangle people's names or title? Is is childishness >>or
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my >>>>post.I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance >>>don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you
We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly. >>>
would have any more success?
incompetence? Do tell!
Wrong - they are an entirely different party. You know it, I know it and lost importantly they know it.It is a response to the stupid assertion that Te Pati Maori hasIf the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% ofOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective,
and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of
votes?
changed significantly - they have not, and you have provided no
evidence of change. The change is in the failures of the current
government to honour a contract - now that is a serious turn for the
worse from previous governments.
Yes it has - dramatically.For a different perspective, this Australian produced video mayOff topic, nothing to do with Turiana.
explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >>>providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why >>>some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for >>>Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little.
You have clearly not watched it - the Maori Party has not changed.
No it does not. You are off topic.It relates directly to the stupid assertions above that I wasOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest -
which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the
NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
Off topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzU
responding to . . .
You are a disgrace. Tariana Turia was a special person, your slur on her memory by using my post as political leverage tells us all we need to know about you. You are beyond redemption. a liar, a racist and above all a sociopath.You really are nasty, using the death of such a special person for political >>purposes - but no surprise there.Again you lie - you are getting more disgraceful as your favoured
political parties continue to fail . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, the claim was that TPM is a very different party. ACT is still
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:22:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is you that is an idiot. They have changed as a party dramatically, and that
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs I suggested, TPM is a very different party to the Maori party. You have >>>provided nothing to say otherwise, in fact you have supported that view. Well
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, >>>>>and
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However >>>>>>I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of >>>>>>Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party, >>>>>>not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>>>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>>>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are >>>>wilfully ignorant.
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .
As for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes - >>>>which have seen for the Maori Party:
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
done.
You really are an idiot - you didn't look them up - The Maori Party
_is_ Te Pati Maori. Small parties do tend to change over time -
National has declined significantly since John Key was PM - and his >>government was significantly different to those under Muldoon and
Bolger . . .
ACT has changed nearly everything under Seymour - but is still ACT.
NZ First is now largely two people trying to set themselves up for >>retirement - not much change there
But Te Pati Maori policies have not changed for the last few elections
- they radical change is that their constituency is under attack from
the racist government parties who do not want to honour agreements of
past governments - see the youtube link below which shows how much
National has changed its attitude to Maori under Chris Luxon - so of
course The Maori Party has reacted to that betrayal of New Zealand . .
is exactly what I wrote.
The original party was inclusive, looking for a nation that had no elite.Take your own medicine, Tony. They are the same party. The change has
TPM is a racist elitist party looking for power that only applies to one race. >You are wrong and you are a fool if you think anybody believes you.
Get a life and some help.
.I do not. You are a liar.
Why do you deliberatewly mangle words, Toni?Why do you deliberatewly mangle people's names or title? Is is childishness >>>or
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my >>>>>post.I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance >>>>don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you >>>>would have any more success?
We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly. >>>>
incompetence? Do tell!
Why do you deliberately misspell peoples names and titles?
Wrong - they are an entirely different party. You know it, I know it and lost >importantly they know it.
It is a response to the stupid assertion that Te Pati Maori hasIf the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% of >>>>votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective,Off topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of >>>>votes?
changed significantly - they have not, and you have provided no
evidence of change. The change is in the failures of the current >>government to honour a contract - now that is a serious turn for the
worse from previous governments.
Get some help.
Yes it has - dramatically.
For a different perspective, this Australian produced video mayOff topic, nothing to do with Turiana.
explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >>>>providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why >>>>some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for >>>>Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little.
You have clearly not watched it - the Maori Party has not changed.
No it does not. You are off topic.
It relates directly to the stupid assertions above that I wasOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest - >>>>which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the
NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
Off topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzU
responding to . . .
You are a disgrace. Tariana Turia was a special person, your slur on her memory
You really are nasty, using the death of such a special person for political >>>purposes - but no surprise there.Again you lie - you are getting more disgraceful as your favoured
political parties continue to fail . . .
by using my post as political leverage tells us all we need to know about you. >You are beyond redemption. a liar, a racist and above all a sociopath.
I have no favourite poltical party, never have and probably never will - unless
the Let's Get rid of Rich party is generated.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 19:07:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is, obviously.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, the claim was that TPM is a very different party.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:22:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is you that is an idiot. They have changed as a party dramatically, and >>that
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As I suggested, TPM is a very different party to the Maori party. You have >>>>provided nothing to say otherwise, in fact you have supported that view. >>>>Well
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, >>>>>>and
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However >>>>>>>I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of >>>>>>>Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party, >>>>>>>not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>>>>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>>>>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are >>>>>wilfully ignorant.
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .
As for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes - >>>>>which have seen for the Maori Party:
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
done.
You really are an idiot - you didn't look them up - The Maori Party
_is_ Te Pati Maori. Small parties do tend to change over time -
National has declined significantly since John Key was PM - and his >>>government was significantly different to those under Muldoon and
Bolger . . .
ACT has changed nearly everything under Seymour - but is still ACT.
NZ First is now largely two people trying to set themselves up for >>>retirement - not much change there
But Te Pati Maori policies have not changed for the last few elections
- they radical change is that their constituency is under attack from
the racist government parties who do not want to honour agreements of >>>past governments - see the youtube link below which shows how much >>>National has changed its attitude to Maori under Chris Luxon - so of >>>course The Maori Party has reacted to that betrayal of New Zealand . .
is exactly what I wrote.
ACT is stillIrrelevant, try to keep on point.
ACT even though they are now very much more extremist, and elitist
than previously.
Te Pati Maori has not changed its desire to seekYes it has, obviously.
harmony and the ability for all New Zealanders to do better
- it isNO, not at all - provide evidence but do it in another post since you are off topic.
ACT and National that are seeking to renege on contractual commitments
and push elitist policies.
The original party was inclusive, looking for a nation that had no elite. >>TPM is a racist elitist party looking for power that only applies to one race.Take your own medicine, Tony. They are the same party. The change has
You are wrong and you are a fool if you think anybody believes you.
Get a life and some help.
.I do not. You are a liar.
Why do you deliberatewly mangle words, Toni?Why do you deliberatewly mangle people's names or title? Is is childishness >>>>or
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my >>>>>>post.I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance >>>>>don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you >>>>>would have any more success?
We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly. >>>>>
incompetence? Do tell!
Why do you deliberately misspell peoples names and titles?
Wrong - they are an entirely different party. You know it, I know it and lost >>importantly they know it.
It is a response to the stupid assertion that Te Pati Maori hasIf the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% of >>>>>votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective, >>>>>and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of >>>>>votes?Off topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
changed significantly - they have not, and you have provided no
evidence of change. The change is in the failures of the current >>>government to honour a contract - now that is a serious turn for the >>>worse from previous governments.
Get some help.
come from dealing with a National-led government to now dealing with a >dishonest extremist ACT-led government -
Yes it has - dramatically.
For a different perspective, this Australian produced video may >>>>>explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >>>>>providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why >>>>>some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for >>>>>Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little. >>>>Off topic, nothing to do with Turiana.
You have clearly not watched it - the Maori Party has not changed.
No it does not. You are off topic.
It relates directly to the stupid assertions above that I wasOff topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest - >>>>>which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the >>>>>NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
Off topic, notghing to do with Turiana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzU
responding to . . .
You are a disgrace. Tariana Turia was a special person, your slur on her >>memory
You really are nasty, using the death of such a special person for >>>>politicalAgain you lie - you are getting more disgraceful as your favoured >>>political parties continue to fail . . .
purposes - but no surprise there.
by using my post as political leverage tells us all we need to know about you.
You are beyond redemption. a liar, a racist and above all a sociopath.
I have no favourite poltical party, never have and probably never will - >>unless
the Let's Get rid of Rich party is generated.
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 18:27:13 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 11:24:02 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:That they are the same party! Sheesh!
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:48:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyIgnorant of what? Do you believe that the Maori Party under the
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 18:49:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I believe you are correct Crash. Certainly TPM is a very different party, and
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/538083/obit-dame-tariana-turia-has-died
She did indeed leave a legacy of activism on behalf of Maori. However >>>>>I stopped reading the article when I got to "and former co-leader of >>>>>Te Pati Maori". She was the founding co-leader of the Maori Party, >>>>>not TPM. While one is the descendant of the other, they are very >>>>>different organisations and if I recall correctly Ms Turia did not >>>>>endorse TPM prior to the last election.
nowhere near as valid as the Maori Party.
Aaah, there is nothing like the absolute certainty of those that are >>>wilfully ignorant.
leadership of Turia and Sharples is similar to TPM?
Try a search for either The Maori Party or for Te Pati Maori . . .Why? What would that reveal?
The attitude The Maori Party has not changed
As for validity, ultimately that depends at least in part on votes - >>>which have seen for the Maori Party:When you resort to childish name-calling like this Rich, you
2017 1.2% of votes (no seats)
2020 1.2% of votes (1 electorate seat)
2023 3.08% of votes (6 electorate seats)
I had a great deal of time for her when she was in parliament, hence my post.I would only say to you that empty bullshit and blustering ignorance >>>don't go down well from our Prime Mincer - why would you think you
We could do with more like her, none appear to exist at this time sadly. >>>
would have any more success?
demonstrate that you have nothing of substance to add to the debate.
If the ACT Party can effectively lead the government with 8.64% ofWho said anything to the contrary?
votes, why would you not expect Te Pati Maori to be more effective,
and "valid" to their supporters, than they were with only 1.2% of
votes?
For a different perspective, this Australian produced video mayThere you go again, introducing rhetoric irrelevant to this thread.
explain to you one of the reasons why the ACT Party is often seen as >>>providing the de facto leadership of the current government - and why >>>some at least regret losing a succession of effective Ministers for >>>Treaty Settlements - Michael Cullen, Chris Finlayson, Andrew Little.
While the video interviews a supporter of the Groundswell protest -
which was of course supported and organised to a large extent by the
NZ Taxpayer Union on behalf of the ACT Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsSJdH6wdzU
This is a thread about recognising the life of Tariana Turia, not a
thread about your fantasy conspiracy theories. Your childish attempt
to hijack a thread is demonstrated again.
- they are however now
facing a significantly more hostile government than when they were
prepared to be part of the Key Government - the reasons for that are >explained in the video by a former National Party Cabinet Minister.
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