• Israeli Soldiers Holidaying In NZ? Dob Them In

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 27 23:17:16 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    Legendary Kiwi lefty activist John Minto is at it again, this time
    setting up a hotline that people can use if they see any Israeli
    soldiers in NZ.

    I wonder if the information is being shared with the Hind Rajab
    Foundation, because they are the ones collecting evidence of
    particular soldiers’ involvement in war crimes.

    <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jewish-groups-slam-hotline-for-reporting-israeli-soldiers-holidaying-in-new-zealand/EZPNFCSH6BHQPB66JQ7PFPHSVA/>

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Tue Jan 28 18:35:57 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:17:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Legendary Kiwi lefty activist John Minto is at it again, this time
    setting up a hotline that people can use if they see any Israeli
    soldiers in NZ.

    Who are they going to dob them in to?

    Minto's rent-a-mob?

    Bill.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 28 22:43:57 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    Just to add to the fun, it turns out our Government requires anyone coming
    from Israel to disclose details of their military service. They get asked pointed questions like have they “used or promoted violence or human
    rights abuses to further their aims”, and have they “been involved in war crimes, crimes against humanity, or human rights abuses”. And they can get turned down if their answers are not satisfactory.

    <https://aje.io/qw6p4g?update=3472008>

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Tue Jan 28 23:35:26 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnbmjc$21895$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Just to add to the fun,

    650,000 Muslims killed by Muslims in Syria is NOT fun.
    450,000 Muslims killed by Muslims in Yemen is NOT fun.
    150,000 Muslims killed by Muslims in Sudan is NOT fun.

    Over 4 million Muslims killed by Muslims in the Middle
    East during the last 80 years is NOT fun.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Wed Jan 29 00:26:37 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:35:26 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    Over 4 million Muslims killed by Muslims in the Middle East during the
    last 80 years is NOT fun.

    Nice to see you care about Muslims, and would have nothing to do with oppressing them or exterminating them and stealing their land, and just
    want to live with them in peace.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Wed Jan 29 09:08:27 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnbsjt$22a1g$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 23:35:26 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    Over 4 million Muslims killed by Muslims in the Middle East during the
    last 80 years is NOT fun.

    Nice to see you care about Muslims,

    I do. Isn't it a pity that they can only try and solve conflicts
    with war and mass murder?

    Have you entertained the thought that this is the REAL reason
    for ALL the problems in the Middle East?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Wed Jan 29 23:24:26 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 09:08:27 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vnbsjt$22a1g$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Nice to see you care about Muslims, and would have nothing to do
    with oppressing them or exterminating them and stealing their land,
    and just want to live with them in peace.

    I do.

    So naturally you would advocate punishing those who do try to oppress or exterminate them and steal their land, since that is clearly not conducive
    to living with them in peace.

    Isn't it a pity that they can only try and solve conflicts with
    war and mass murder?

    Like in Gaza? Oh wait, they are managing things quite peaceably now that
    Israel has agreed (for the most part) to stop trying to slaughter them.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 00:10:44 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnedba$2jc6p$6@dont-email.me>,

    So naturally you would advocate punishing those who do try to oppress or exterminate them

    About 97% of the Muslims who have been killed in violent conflicts
    in the Middle East, were killed by other Muslims.

    You just don't give a shit about these victims, do you.

    Isn't it a pity that they can only try and solve conflicts with
    war and mass murder?

    Like in Gaza?

    Sure, it's the same culture of violence and death which guides
    the Hamas, as it does other Muslim nations and organizations.

    Oh wait, they are managing things quite peaceably now

    You are totally retarded.

    that Israel has agreed (for the most part) to stop trying to
    slaughter them.

    Hamas started the war.

    You are totally retarded.

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  • From Susan Cohen@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Wed Jan 29 20:58:43 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 23:17:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Legendary Kiwi lefty activist John Minto is at it again, this time
    setting up a hotline that people can use if they see any Israeli
    soldiers in NZ.

    I wonder if the information is being shared with the Hind Rajab
    Foundation, because they are the ones collecting evidence of
    particular soldiers involvement in war crimes.

    <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jewish-groups-slam-hotline-for-reporting-israeli-soldiers-holidaying-in-new-zealand/EZPNFCSH6BHQPB66JQ7PFPHSVA/>

    Thank G_d for people like John Minto and the Hind Rajab Foundation for
    the pursuit of war criminals. May each and every Israeli who
    participated in the Gaza Holocaust hang.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Thu Jan 30 06:56:17 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 00:10:44 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 09:08:27 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vnedba$2jc6p$6@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Nice to see you care about Muslims, and would have nothing to do with
    oppressing them or exterminating them and stealing their land,
    and just want to live with them in peace.

    I do.

    So naturally you would advocate punishing those who do try to oppress
    or exterminate them and steal their land, since that is clearly not
    conducive to living with them in peace.

    [sudden change of subject]

    Well, we didn’t need to dig very deep to expose that festering pit of
    racist bigotry, did we? It’s quite clear now that when you said you agreed with me about living with Muslims in peace, you were lying.

    Isn't it a pity that they can only try and solve conflicts with war
    and mass murder?

    Like in Gaza?

    Oh wait, they are managing things quite peaceably now
    that Israel has agreed (for the most part) to stop trying to slaughter
    them.

    [sudden even more violent change of subject]

    That’s an even more serious ad-hominem deflection, to try to distract from the fact that it was Israel refusing to accept the ceasefire deal that Joe Biden had ready back in June, until Trump came along to twist Netanyahu’s arm.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Thu Jan 30 16:12:30 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnf7qh$2r8ho$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Well, we didn't need to dig very deep to expose that festering pit of
    racist bigotry, did we?

    Certainly. Your lame lies and insanely stupid excuses in defense of
    Hamas (e.g. conveniently forgetting that they started the war, as
    well as their barbarism not only against Israelis, but also Thai
    and other workers they butchered or abducted, not to mention the
    people of Gaza), an organization with hard-core Nazi ideology, who
    also wants to rid the world of Christians, indeed define you as a
    festering pit of racist bigotry.

    But back to the central issue:

    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering as we speak) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

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  • From Susan Cohen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 16:00:10 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    But OTOH the other guy here is right, far more Muslims
    died at the hand of other Muslims than in all their wars
    with Israel combined. Why is that? Something is seriously
    fucked with these people.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Susan Cohen on Thu Jan 30 22:31:55 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:00:10 +0000 (UTC), Susan Cohen wrote:

    But OTOH the other guy here is right, far more Muslims died at the hand
    of other Muslims than in all their wars with Israel combined. Why is
    that? Something is seriously fucked with these people.

    Most of that seems to have happened after Christian European empires
    started meddling in their affairs, and supporting one group against
    another.

    Regardless, some Israel supporters are claiming this as a basis for
    excusing the perpetration of their own atrocities on Muslims, all the way
    up to actual genocide. This cannot be allowed to pass.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Thu Jan 30 22:37:26 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:12:30 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    Your lame lies and insanely stupid excuses in defense of
    Hamas ...

    Speaking of the people they abducted, have you noticed that they have been returned mostly in good health? Those four Army women were even given gift
    bags and framed certificates commemorating their release.

    Compare that to the condition of Palestinian prisoners released from
    Israeli jails, after being subject to repeated beatings, torture, interrogation, solitary confinement, in some cases going on for years.
    Some of them were in such poor condition, they had difficulty
    understanding that they were no longer in prison.

    And to top it all off, Israel has ordered some families of those prisoners
    not to celebrate their release, backing up the orders with preemptive
    raids on their homes.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Jan 31 00:21:38 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnguv6$354ob$6@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Speaking of the people they abducted,

    Like these?

    https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/f71feb96af8851a8f82bae15bb364438?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=313&cropW=313&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=862

    But back to the central issue:

    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering as we speak) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Jan 31 00:37:26 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnh5mu$36edm$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Speaking of the people they abducted,

    Like these?

    Who was that, exactly?

    You motherless shiteater.

    But back to the central issue:

    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering as we speak) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Fri Jan 31 00:41:10 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:37:26 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vnh5mu$36edm$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Speaking of the people they abducted,

    Like these?

    Who was that, exactly?

    You motherless shiteater.

    So it was a load of crap your posting that picture. Typical Hasbara
    deflection and disinformation.

    But back to the central issue:

    Which was Israeli soldiers being implicated in war crimes. I notice you’ve been trying to raise a really big smokescreen to try to distract from that issue, haven’t you?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Fri Jan 31 00:32:30 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:21:38 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    In article <vnguv6$354ob$6@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Speaking of the people they abducted,

    Like these?

    Who was that, exactly? Picture without context. Could have been someone
    crying at a funeral for all I know.

    Just thought I’d check. After all, seems like the pro-Israel side loves making things up, don’t they?

    But back to the central issue:

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be separated
    from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of other Muslim nations
    and organizations in the region?

    Let’s put it this way: if they really wanted to exterminate all Jews, they wouldn’t have released a bunch of them alive and unharmed, would they not?

    On the other hand, if Israel really had Palestinians’ best interests at heart, it would not submit so many of them to such horrific abuse and
    torture for so long in its prisons, would it? Nor would it harrass their families, tear down their houses and generally try to make life hell for
    them.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 31 00:45:36 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnh676$36edm$4@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [flush]

    You motherless shiteater.

    But back to the central issue:

    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering as we speak) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Fri Jan 31 00:47:48 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    But back to the central issue:

    Which was Israeli soldiers being implicated in war crimes. I notice you’ve been trying to raise a really big smokescreen to try to distract from that issue, haven’t you?

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

    Let’s put it this way: if they really wanted to exterminate all Jews, they wouldn’t have released a bunch of them alive and unharmed, would they not?

    On the other hand, if Israel really had Palestinians’ best interests at heart, it would not submit so many of them to such horrific abuse and
    torture for so long in its prisons, would it? Nor would it harrass their families, tear down their houses and generally try to make life hell for
    them.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 31 00:51:34 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering right now) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    2) Does anyone really think that the ideology of the Hamas
    can be separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical
    ideology of other Muslim nations and organizations in the
    region?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to no-spam-thank-you@not.home on Fri Jan 31 16:45:25 2025
    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:51:34 +0000 (UTC), hello there <no-spam-thank-you@not.home> wrote:


    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering right now) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    2) Does anyone really think that the ideology of the Hamas
    can be separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical
    ideology of other Muslim nations and organizations in the
    region?

    That appears to have nothing to do with the Subject of the thread, and
    I have not seen evidence that it is true.

    Perhaps you could try a new thread . . .

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Jan 31 17:55:20 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:47:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    But back to the central issue:

    Which was Israeli soldiers being implicated in war crimes. I notice youve >been trying to raise a really big smokescreen to try to distract from that >issue, havent you?

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

    Lets put it this way: if they really wanted to exterminate all Jews, they >wouldnt have released a bunch of them alive and unharmed, would they not?

    On the other hand, if Israel really had Palestinians best interests at >heart, it would not submit so many of them to such horrific abuse and
    torture for so long in its prisons, would it? Nor would it harrass their >families, tear down their houses and generally try to make life hell for >them.

    Israel has nuclear wapons, and quite likely has thermonuclear weapons.

    If Israel did to the "Palestinians" what the "Palestinians" would like
    to do to the Israelis, the Gaza strip and the "Palestinians" would be
    replaced with a hole in the ground.

    Bill.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 31 06:41:04 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:43:57 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

    Just to add to the fun, it turns out our Government requires anyone
    coming from Israel to disclose details of their military service.

    A local report says that Immigration NZ is denying that it has refused
    entry to any Israeli in relation to the military service issue, but
    it cannot say whether it asks them questions about involvement in war
    crimes or not <https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360565779/israeli-visas-immigration-nz-denies-report-idf-soldier-barred>.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 31 06:35:34 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    And remember, not just implicated in war crimes against Palestinians, but against their own side as well.

    On October 7, about a hundred or so of the deaths of Israelis were as a
    result of fire from Tzahal itself. They were shooting at every vehicle
    heading for the Gaza border, whether it had hostages in it or not.

    Think of that: Israel would have killed all of its own people, if Hamas hadn’t got them into Gaza in time. Hamas saved their lives.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 31 11:17:16 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnhqvm$3d1gl$4@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [trolling and lies flushed]

    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering as we speak) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 31 11:23:05 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    In article <vnhr9v$3d1gl$5@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [trolling and lies flushed]

    Not only Jews: Hamas butchered or abducted Thai, Nepalese, Filipino,
    African workers and students

    At least 10 Nepali agriculture students were killed when the Hamas militants stormed the Alumim kibbutz, an agrarian community near Gaza, and another Nepali is missing, the country's ambassador to Israel told CNN.

    Two Filipinos were also killed, according to the Philippines government.

    At least 18 Thai nationals killed, 11 captured and taken to Gaza;

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to no-spam-thank-you@not.home on Sat Feb 1 09:15:06 2025
    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 11:17:16 +0000 (UTC), hello there <no-spam-thank-you@not.home> wrote:


    In article <vnhqvm$3d1gl$4@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [trolling and lies flushed]

    1) Why have Muslims in the Middle East butchered (and are
    butchering as we speak) millions of their Muslim brothers?

    You have not shown any evidence of that . . .


    2) Do you really think that the ideology of the Hamas can be
    separated from the violent, murderous, fanatical ideology of
    other Muslim nations and organizations in the region?

    Of course it can. Or are you arguing that Israel has a violent,
    murderous, fanatical ideology? if so, many would agree with you.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to no-spam-thank-you@not.home on Sat Feb 1 09:19:20 2025
    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 11:23:05 +0000 (UTC), hello there <no-spam-thank-you@not.home> wrote:


    In article <vnhr9v$3d1gl$5@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [trolling and lies flushed]

    Not only Jews: Hamas butchered or abducted Thai, Nepalese, Filipino,
    African workers and students

    At least 10 Nepali agriculture students were killed when the Hamas militants >stormed the Alumim kibbutz, an agrarian community near Gaza, and another Nepali
    is missing, the country's ambassador to Israel told CNN.

    Two Filipinos were also killed, according to the Philippines government.

    At least 18 Thai nationals killed, 11 captured and taken to Gaza;

    War is indeed horrible. I felt very sad that so many working on behalf
    of the United Nationals on humanitarian relief in Gaza, including
    medical staff, were killed. War is seldom flattering to any of the participants.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 14 04:13:05 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Sat, 01 Feb 2025 09:15:06 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    You have not shown any evidence of that . . .

    ...

    Of course it can. Or are you arguing that Israel has a violent,
    murderous, fanatical ideology? if so, many would agree with you.

    Just a note that the person you’re responding to is probably not reading
    this in nz.general ...

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 14 04:12:03 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:45:25 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    That appears to have nothing to do with the Subject of the thread, and I
    have not seen evidence that it is true.

    Perhaps you could try a new thread . . .

    Just a note that the person you’re responding to is probably not reading
    this in nz.general ...

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Feb 14 20:26:35 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.international, soc.culture.israel

    On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 04:12:03 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:45:25 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:

    That appears to have nothing to do with the Subject of the thread, and I
    have not seen evidence that it is true.

    Perhaps you could try a new thread . . .

    Just a note that the person youre responding to is probably not reading
    this in nz.general ...

    My post that you are replying to had sufficient information to see the
    claims that I was referencing. By deleting relevant posts, the thread
    is clearly going no-where, but not through my posts.

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