https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2501/S00076/john-mintos-targeting-of-israelis-must-stop.htm?fbclid=IwY2xjawIGu75leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHe13zp2GirBiGDClReMXV-qSDIS_O4JPh1LuER1fcottH9J8jI0kgo5d_A_aem_u8VheKfVhCejdgOD6RJZzw
Minto has always been racist, now his true colouirs are exposed once more. >Scoop is correct, Minto and his nazi followers need to stop.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 00:23:38 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe two are unrelated and entirely different matters.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2501/S00076/john-mintos-targeting-of-israelis-must-stop.htm?fbclid=IwY2xjawIGu75leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHe13zp2GirBiGDClReMXV-qSDIS_O4JPh1LuER1fcottH9J8jI0kgo5d_A_aem_u8VheKfVhCejdgOD6RJZzw
Minto has always been racist, now his true colouirs are exposed once more. >>Scoop is correct, Minto and his nazi followers need to stop.
The Jewish Council do not appear to have realised that the government
is already targeting Israeli soldiers coming here and endeavoring to
identify exactly the people Minto wants to be questioned - so is Minto
all OK with you now that Luxon has decided to get the security forces
to do what Minto was asking for?
Arabs are Semites, too.So you hate Arabs as well as Jews.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 00:23:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2501/S00076/john-mintos-targeting-of-israelis-must-stop.htm?fbclid=IwY2xjawIGu75leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHe13zp2GirBiGDClReMXV-qSDIS_O4JPh1LuER1fcottH9J8jI0kgo5d_A_aem_u8VheKfVhCejdgOD6RJZzw
Minto has always been racist, now his true colouirs are exposed once more. >>Scoop is correct, Minto and his nazi followers need to stop.
The Jewish Council do not appear to have realised that the government
is already targeting Israeli soldiers coming here and endeavoring to
identify exactly the people Minto wants to be questioned - so is Minto
all OK with you now that Luxon has decided to get the security forces
to do what Minto was asking for?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:04:36 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Minto is behaving like the racist he is, nothing more.
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:33:21 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 00:23:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Minto has always been racist, now his true colouirs are exposed once more. >>>>Scoop is correct, Minto and his nazi followers need to stop.https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2501/S00076/john-mintos-targeting-of-israelis-must-stop.htm?fbclid=IwY2xjawIGu75leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHe13zp2GirBiGDClReMXV-qSDIS_O4JPh1LuER1fcottH9J8jI0kgo5d_A_aem_u8VheKfVhCejdgOD6RJZzw
The Jewish Council do not appear to have realised that the government
is already targeting Israeli soldiers coming here and endeavoring to >>>identify exactly the people Minto wants to be questioned - so is Minto >>>all OK with you now that Luxon has decided to get the security forces
to do what Minto was asking for?
The Government is denying visitor visas to Israeli citizens on the
basis of answers to application visa. As with visa applications from
all countries with whom NZ has no visa waiver agreement, it is
designed to prevent travel.
What Minto is doing is trying to have visitors from Israel ejected
from NZ on the basis they might be from their military.
The report I saw seemed to indicate that they were speaking with some
of the people identified through the questions after they had arrived
in New Zealand so that they could then check with sourced in the
middle east.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown >(presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed
acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our
security systems were also doing that, without publicity.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:33:21 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 00:23:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Minto has always been racist, now his true colouirs are exposed once more. >>>Scoop is correct, Minto and his nazi followers need to stop.https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2501/S00076/john-mintos-targeting-of-israelis-must-stop.htm?fbclid=IwY2xjawIGu75leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHe13zp2GirBiGDClReMXV-qSDIS_O4JPh1LuER1fcottH9J8jI0kgo5d_A_aem_u8VheKfVhCejdgOD6RJZzw
The Jewish Council do not appear to have realised that the government
is already targeting Israeli soldiers coming here and endeavoring to >>identify exactly the people Minto wants to be questioned - so is Minto
all OK with you now that Luxon has decided to get the security forces
to do what Minto was asking for?
The Government is denying visitor visas to Israeli citizens on the
basis of answers to application visa. As with visa applications from
all countries with whom NZ has no visa waiver agreement, it is
designed to prevent travel.
What Minto is doing is trying to have visitors from Israel ejected
from NZ on the basis they might be from their military.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown (presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed
acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security systems were also doing that, without publicity.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly different. However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever demonstrated here.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown
(presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed
acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security
systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s actions >as “anti-Semitic”, while they seem to have no complaint with what the >Government is doing.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:07:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly to you and others who refuse to see.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly different. >They appear to be very similar, with exactly the same aims.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown
(presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed >>>> acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security >>>> systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s actions >>>as “anti-Semitic?, while they seem to have no complaint with what the >>>Government is doing.
I don't need to, you show that the government is - you cannot. Minto obviously is.However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever >>demonstrated here.You have shown no evidence of either.
Here's a hint. Minto's actions are racist, the government's are not.
It is possible (and indeedWhy? That is silly. If you ever go overseas do you expect to be so treated? >that a tourist who just happened to have fought against Israel
likely)
may be subject to the same sort of enquiries by our security forces.Only you and other followers of Minto and his cronies will benefit because it gives you more imagined political ideas.
If Minto's publicity helps identify war criminals from either side
that may be useful, but knowledge that our security forces are looking
after New Zealand's interests in this area may mean that Minto, and
indeed all New Zealanders, can be pleased by the additional knowledge
that has been prompted by Minto's actions.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:You have shown no evidence of either. It is possible (and indeed
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly different. They appear to be very similar, with exactly the same aims.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown
(presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed
acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security
systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s actions >>as “anti-Semitic?, while they seem to have no complaint with what the >>Government is doing.
However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever >demonstrated here.
Here's a hint. Minto's actions are racist, the government's are not.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:50:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyThere you go, you can't see it.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Refuse to see what, Tony?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:07:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly to you and others who refuse to see.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly different. >>>They appear to be very similar, with exactly the same aims.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown >>>>>> (presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed >>>>>> acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security >>>>>> systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s >>>>>actions
as “anti-Semitic?, while they seem to have no complaint with what the >>>>>Government is doing.
He is, he is picking on one race - Israelis and so are you. You are racist.You made the assertion without evidence - I do not believe that theI don't need to, you show that the government is - you cannot. Minto >>obviously
However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever >>>>demonstrated here.You have shown no evidence of either.
Here's a hint. Minto's actions are racist, the government's are not.
is.
security services or Minto were being racist - and given the much
greater need for humanitarian work in Gaza than in Israel, the
likelihood of tourists from those subject to Israeli military action
are likely to be tourists in New Zealand - but if they were I suspect
the security forces would be just as interested in them as Israeli
military personnel. Why do you think Minto is being racist?
Nonsense - there is no reason to suspect these folk of anything but Minto loves to stir up racism.I would be unlikely to know of security actions to identify warIt is possible (and indeedWhy? That is silly. If you ever go overseas do you expect to be so treated? >>>that a tourist who just happened to have fought against Israel
likely)
may be subject to the same sort of enquiries by our security forces.
criminals entering a country I was visiting - the only reason we now
of our security forces actions is because they reacted to Minto
wanting the same thing through voluntary efforts.
Sorry if you cannot comprehend English, but we have had that discussion many times - you still have not taken any lessons.Did you even think about that statement before you made it, Tony? WhatIf Minto's publicity helps identify war criminals from either sideOnly you and other followers of Minto and his cronies will benefit because it >>gives you more imagined political ideas.
that may be useful, but knowledge that our security forces are looking >>>after New Zealand's interests in this area may mean that Minto, and >>>indeed all New Zealanders, can be pleased by the additional knowledge >>>that has been prompted by Minto's actions.
were you thinking? What 'imagined political ideas' were you
envisaging?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Refuse to see what, Tony?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:07:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly to you and others who refuse to see.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly different. >>They appear to be very similar, with exactly the same aims.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown
(presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed >>>>> acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security >>>>> systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s actions
as “anti-Semitic?, while they seem to have no complaint with what the >>>>Government is doing.
You made the assertion without evidence - I do not believe that theI don't need to, you show that the government is - you cannot. Minto obviously >is.
However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever >>>demonstrated here.You have shown no evidence of either.
Here's a hint. Minto's actions are racist, the government's are not.
I would be unlikely to know of security actions to identify warIt is possible (and indeedWhy? That is silly. If you ever go overseas do you expect to be so treated? >>that a tourist who just happened to have fought against Israel
likely)
may be subject to the same sort of enquiries by our security forces.
Did you even think about that statement before you made it, Tony? WhatIf Minto's publicity helps identify war criminals from either sideOnly you and other followers of Minto and his cronies will benefit because it >gives you more imagined political ideas.
that may be useful, but knowledge that our security forces are looking >>after New Zealand's interests in this area may mean that Minto, and
indeed all New Zealanders, can be pleased by the additional knowledge
that has been prompted by Minto's actions.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 21:53:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyOf course I am not, how do you ever manage your way around a traffic sign?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So you cannot see it either . . . certainly you cannot identify it . . Alrteady have. Read above with a little more care.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:50:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyThere you go, you can't see it.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Refuse to see what, Tony?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:07:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Only to you and others who refuse to see.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:They appear to be very similar, with exactly the same aims.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly >>>>>>different.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown >>>>>>>> (presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed >>>>>>>> acts that could be regarded as offences against international war >>>>>>>> standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security
systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s >>>>>>>actions
as “anti-Semitic?, while they seem to have no complaint with what >>>>>>>the
Government is doing.
.
nonsense.He is, he is picking on one race - Israelis and so are you. You are racist. >So are you claiming that Hamas are also Israeli citizens? That is
You made the assertion without evidence - I do not believe that the >>>security services or Minto were being racist - and given the muchI don't need to, you show that the government is - you cannot. Minto >>>>obviously
However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever >>>>>>demonstrated here.
Here's a hint. Minto's actions are racist, the government's are not. >>>>>You have shown no evidence of either.
is.
greater need for humanitarian work in Gaza than in Israel, the
likelihood of tourists from those subject to Israeli military action
are likely to be tourists in New Zealand - but if they were I suspect
the security forces would be just as interested in them as Israeli >>>military personnel. Why do you think Minto is being racist?
So?The government and Minto (and you) have very different agendas - you know >>thatI may well have different agendas from Minto, and from you - I was
is correct.
only commenting on one thing that Minto has done recently.
Oh don't be such a silly girl. I am not saying that. Do get some help.Nonsense - there is no reason to suspect these folk of anything but Minto >>loves
I would be unlikely to know of security actions to identify warIt is possible (and indeedWhy? That is silly. If you ever go overseas do you expect to be so treated? >>>>>that a tourist who just happened to have fought against Israel
likely)
may be subject to the same sort of enquiries by our security forces.
criminals entering a country I was visiting - the only reason we now
of our security forces actions is because they reacted to Minto
wanting the same thing through voluntary efforts.
to stir up racism.
Are you saying that there is nobody that fought against the Israelis
that may not have offended against international conventions? That is
clearly not true.
My post is self explanatory, your context is political drivel.You cannot explain your own post - that does not surprise me.Sorry if you cannot comprehend English, but we have had that discussion many >>times - you still have not taken any lessons.Did you even think about that statement before you made it, Tony? What >>>were you thinking? What 'imagined political ideas' were youIf Minto's publicity helps identify war criminals from either side >>>>>that may be useful, but knowledge that our security forces are looking >>>>>after New Zealand's interests in this area may mean that Minto, and >>>>>indeed all New Zealanders, can be pleased by the additional knowledge >>>>>that has been prompted by Minto's actions.Only you and other followers of Minto and his cronies will benefit because >>>>it
gives you more imagined political ideas.
envisaging?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So you cannot see it either . . . certainly you cannot identify it . .
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 20:50:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyThere you go, you can't see it.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Refuse to see what, Tony?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:07:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Only to you and others who refuse to see.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:They appear to be very similar, with exactly the same aims.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly different.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown >>>>>>> (presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed >>>>>>> acts that could be regarded as offences against international war >>>>>>> standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security >>>>>>> systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s >>>>>>actions
as “anti-Semitic?, while they seem to have no complaint with what the >>>>>>Government is doing.
So are you claiming that Hamas are also Israeli citizens? That isHe is, he is picking on one race - Israelis and so are you. You are racist.
You made the assertion without evidence - I do not believe that the >>security services or Minto were being racist - and given the muchI don't need to, you show that the government is - you cannot. Minto >>>obviously
However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever >>>>>demonstrated here.
Here's a hint. Minto's actions are racist, the government's are not. >>>>You have shown no evidence of either.
is.
greater need for humanitarian work in Gaza than in Israel, the
likelihood of tourists from those subject to Israeli military action
are likely to be tourists in New Zealand - but if they were I suspect
the security forces would be just as interested in them as Israeli
military personnel. Why do you think Minto is being racist?
The government and Minto (and you) have very different agendas - you know that >is correct.I may well have different agendas from Minto, and from you - I was
Nonsense - there is no reason to suspect these folk of anything but Minto loves
I would be unlikely to know of security actions to identify warIt is possible (and indeedWhy? That is silly. If you ever go overseas do you expect to be so treated? >>>>that a tourist who just happened to have fought against Israel
likely)
may be subject to the same sort of enquiries by our security forces.
criminals entering a country I was visiting - the only reason we now
of our security forces actions is because they reacted to Minto
wanting the same thing through voluntary efforts.
to stir up racism.
You cannot explain your own post - that does not surprise me.Sorry if you cannot comprehend English, but we have had that discussion many >times - you still have not taken any lessons.Did you even think about that statement before you made it, Tony? WhatIf Minto's publicity helps identify war criminals from either sideOnly you and other followers of Minto and his cronies will benefit because it
that may be useful, but knowledge that our security forces are looking >>>>after New Zealand's interests in this area may mean that Minto, and >>>>indeed all New Zealanders, can be pleased by the additional knowledge >>>>that has been prompted by Minto's actions.
gives you more imagined political ideas.
were you thinking? What 'imagined political ideas' were you
envisaging?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 23:07:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey may appear that way to you but not to people who care about the truth. Read here - https://centrist.nz/new-zealand-denies-visa-restrictions-on-idf-soldiers-amid-activist-pressure/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-2-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:19:37 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:That is because the two actions are unrelated and most certainly different. >They appear to be very similar, with exactly the same aims.
Minto appears to be trying to identify soldiers who could be shown
(presumably through Muslim contacts in or near Gaza) to have committed >>>> acts that could be regarded as offences against international war
standards. It is possible that Minto did not realise that our security >>>> systems were also doing that, without publicity.
Regardless of that, certain pro-Israel groups in NZ regard Minto’s actions >>>as “anti-Semitic?, while they seem to have no complaint with what the >>>Government is doing.
However, to understand that requires more balance than you have ever >>demonstrated here.You have shown no evidence of either. It is possible (and indeed
Here's a hint. Minto's actions are racist, the government's are not.
likely) that a tourist who just happened to have fought against Israel
may be subject to the same sort of enquiries by our security forces.
If Minto's publicity helps identify war criminals from either side
that may be useful, but knowledge that our security forces are looking
after New Zealand's interests in this area may mean that Minto, and
indeed all New Zealanders, can be pleased by the additional knowledge
that has been prompted by Minto's actions.
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