Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following the >party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest you >look for it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations. >>>
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest you
look for it.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following the >>party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest you >>look for it.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyPossibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, admittedly a very low bar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following >>>>the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not
to be trusted anyway . . .
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .Minister of Transport.
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations. >>>>
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest >>>>you
look for it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyPossibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >admittedly a very low bar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following >>>>>the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not
to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work.
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations. >>>>>
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest >>>>>you
look for it.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 06:08:56 -0000 (UTC), TonyNon-sequitur nonsense.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:many people is the reason Simeon was abruptly replaced as Minister of >Transport recently? You are probably closer to the National party than
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyPossibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >>admittedly a very low bar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following >>>>>>the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not
to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work. >Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
I am, and that supposition may well be true; but of course speed is
the most significant reason for vehicle deaths - try some simple
searches.
Some tried to argue that alcohol and other drugs are also a majorWe are not talking about high speed nutters - you are pathetic.
cause of road deaths, but ultimately speed is still the underlying
cause - the safe speed for a driver that is intoxicated or under the >influence of drugs is usually zero - but the high speed nutters try to
blame the drug rather than the reality that dying from a car crash is
most often through driving too fast for all the conditions.
Of course drivers and passengers are no the only people to die fromSo ban cars then.
car accidents - the faster a car is going when it hits a pedestrian
the more likely it is to cause a death - the chance of survival goes
up rapidly with speed.
Now if you disagree with the above explanation, give some evidence!You have explained nothing, just spoted off topic crap.......Again.....
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest >>>>>>you
look for it.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 06:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyPossibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >>admittedly a very low bar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following >>>>>>the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not
to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work.
many people is the reason Simeon was abruptly replaced as Minister of Transport recently? You are probably closer to the National party than
I am, and that supposition may well be true; but of course speed is
the most significant reason for vehicle deaths - try some simple
searches.
Some tried to argue that alcohol and other drugs are also a major
cause of road deaths, but ultimately speed is still the underlying
cause - the safe speed for a driver that is intoxicated or under the influence of drugs is usually zero - but the high speed nutters try to
blame the drug rather than the reality that dying from a car crash is
most often through driving too fast for all the conditions.
Of course drivers and passengers are no the only people to die from
car accidents - the faster a car is going when it hits a pedestrian
the more likely it is to cause a death - the chance of survival goes
up rapidly with speed.
Now if you disagree with the above explanation, give some evidence!
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest >>>>>>you
look for it.
On 2025-02-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the marks left and damage to the vehicle, they are often able to
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 06:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:many people is the reason Simeon was abruptly replaced as Minister of
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyPossibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >>>admittedly a very low bar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following
the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not >>>>to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work. >> Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
Transport recently? You are probably closer to the National party than
I am, and that supposition may well be true; but of course speed is
the most significant reason for vehicle deaths - try some simple
searches.
However do these searches (data) give the speed at the time of the crash >compared to the speed limit?
Driving to fast for the conditions is the reason for crashes and deaths.Yes, often that is the case. If a pedestrian is hit, the speed of the
Which is why those speed limits should be set based on expertSome tried to argue that alcohol and other drugs are also a major
cause of road deaths, but ultimately speed is still the underlying
cause - the safe speed for a driver that is intoxicated or under the
influence of drugs is usually zero - but the high speed nutters try to
blame the drug rather than the reality that dying from a car crash is
most often through driving too fast for all the conditions.
Exactly, drivivg to the conditions , the real world ones, lowers crashes and >thus deaths. So what is needed is to get the drivers understanding what a >save speed is for the existing conditions and for the driver(s) to drive to >this save speed,
The speed limit signs should be considered as advisory, the max save speed
in good conditions.
Being in charge of a machine that can kill comes with responsibility.And making speed limit decisions should also come with responsibility.
Agreed - it should have said goes up rapidly with lower speed. Sorry
Of course drivers and passengers are no the only people to die from
car accidents - the faster a car is going when it hits a pedestrian
the more likely it is to cause a death - the chance of survival goes
up rapidly with speed.
Yeah, Nah. The survival goes down with a speed increase.
Now if you disagree with the above explanation, give some evidence!
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest
you
look for it.
On 2025-02-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 06:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:many people is the reason Simeon was abruptly replaced as Minister of
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyPossibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >>>admittedly a very low bar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just following
the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not >>>>to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work. >> Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
Transport recently? You are probably closer to the National party than
I am, and that supposition may well be true; but of course speed is
the most significant reason for vehicle deaths - try some simple
searches.
However do these searches (data) give the speed at the time of the crash >compared to the speed limit?
Driving to fast for the conditions is the reason for crashes and deaths.
Some tried to argue that alcohol and other drugs are also a major
cause of road deaths, but ultimately speed is still the underlying
cause - the safe speed for a driver that is intoxicated or under the
influence of drugs is usually zero - but the high speed nutters try to
blame the drug rather than the reality that dying from a car crash is
most often through driving too fast for all the conditions.
Exactly, drivivg to the conditions , the real world ones, lowers crashes and >thus deaths. So what is needed is to get the drivers understanding what a >save speed is for the existing conditions and for the driver(s) to drive to >this save speed,
The speed limit signs should be considered as advisory, the max save speed
in good conditions.
Being in charge of a machine that can kill comes with responsibility.
Of course drivers and passengers are no the only people to die from
car accidents - the faster a car is going when it hits a pedestrian
the more likely it is to cause a death - the chance of survival goes
up rapidly with speed.
Yeah, Nah. The survival goes down with a speed increase.
Now if you disagree with the above explanation, give some evidence!
The government is protecting school environments with the new regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I suggest
you
look for it.
On 1 Feb 2025 23:06:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New divided roads are often designed for 110kph, it is experts who do that, not politicians (per the last government).
On 2025-02-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the marks left and damage to the vehicle, they are often able to >determine fairly accurately the speed at the time of the collision and >shortly before.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 06:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:many people is the reason Simeon was abruptly replaced as Minister of
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Possibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >>>>admittedly a very low bar.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just >>>>>>>>following
the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week.
So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not >>>>>to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work. >>> Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
Transport recently? You are probably closer to the National party than
I am, and that supposition may well be true; but of course speed is
the most significant reason for vehicle deaths - try some simple
searches.
However do these searches (data) give the speed at the time of the crash >>compared to the speed limit?
car has a big impact on whether it causes a minor or major injury or
Driving to fast for the conditions is the reason for crashes and deaths. >Yes, often that is the case. If a pedestrian is hit, the speed of the
death
Which is why those speed limits should be set based on expertSome tried to argue that alcohol and other drugs are also a major
cause of road deaths, but ultimately speed is still the underlying
cause - the safe speed for a driver that is intoxicated or under the
influence of drugs is usually zero - but the high speed nutters try to
blame the drug rather than the reality that dying from a car crash is
most often through driving too fast for all the conditions.
Exactly, drivivg to the conditions , the real world ones, lowers crashes and >>thus deaths. So what is needed is to get the drivers understanding what a >>save speed is for the existing conditions and for the driver(s) to drive to >>this save speed,
The speed limit signs should be considered as advisory, the max save speed >>in good conditions.
analysis.
Such analysis has led to some surprising changes - manyHe didn't, in most cases he reversed a decision made by a previous minister himself. Very different.
short sections of road that had two lanes in one direction have been
changed back to only one lane - and average safe speeds have
increased! The highway from Featherston to Masterton has a lot of
trucks traveling at 90 kph, and increasing the speed limit was just >encouraging unsafe passing - and the time saved on an average trip is >relatively low from the Minister deciding the limit himself.
Being in charge of a machine that can kill comes with responsibility.And making speed limit decisions should also come with responsibility.
Nobody is trying to totally eliminate risk, but informed decisions can >minimise loss of productivity - and recognise that too much speed may
give lower productivity.
Agreed - it should have said goes up rapidly with lower speed. Sorry
Of course drivers and passengers are no the only people to die from
car accidents - the faster a car is going when it hits a pedestrian
the more likely it is to cause a death - the chance of survival goes
up rapidly with speed.
Yeah, Nah. The survival goes down with a speed increase.
about that.
Now if you disagree with the above explanation, give some evidence!
The government is protecting school environments with the new >>>>>>>>regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I >>>>>>>>suggest
you
look for it.
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 01:27:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyWas it the tooth fairy who told you that or your little friend who whispers in your ear at night?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I had heard that Chris Bishop was likely to reverse some of the
On 1 Feb 2025 23:06:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New divided roads are often designed for 110kph, it is experts who do that, >>not
On 2025-02-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the marks left and damage to the vehicle, they are often able to >>>determine fairly accurately the speed at the time of the collision and >>>shortly before.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 06:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Possibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >>>>>>admittedly a very low bar.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just >>>>>>>>>>following
the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week. >>>>>>>
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not >>>>>>>to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work.
many people is the reason Simeon was abruptly replaced as Minister of >>>>> Transport recently? You are probably closer to the National party than >>>>> I am, and that supposition may well be true; but of course speed is >>>>> the most significant reason for vehicle deaths - try some simple
searches.
However do these searches (data) give the speed at the time of the crash >>>>compared to the speed limit?
car has a big impact on whether it causes a minor or major injury or >>>death
Driving to fast for the conditions is the reason for crashes and deaths. >>>Yes, often that is the case. If a pedestrian is hit, the speed of the
Which is why those speed limits should be set based on expertSome tried to argue that alcohol and other drugs are also a major
cause of road deaths, but ultimately speed is still the underlying
cause - the safe speed for a driver that is intoxicated or under the >>>>> influence of drugs is usually zero - but the high speed nutters try to >>>>> blame the drug rather than the reality that dying from a car crash is >>>>> most often through driving too fast for all the conditions.
Exactly, drivivg to the conditions , the real world ones, lowers crashes and
thus deaths. So what is needed is to get the drivers understanding what a >>>>save speed is for the existing conditions and for the driver(s) to drive to >>>>this save speed,
The speed limit signs should be considered as advisory, the max save speed >>>>in good conditions.
analysis.
politicians (per the last government).
Such analysis has led to some surprising changes - manyHe didn't, in most cases he reversed a decision made by a previous minister >>himself. Very different.
short sections of road that had two lanes in one direction have been >>>changed back to only one lane - and average safe speeds have
increased! The highway from Featherston to Masterton has a lot of
trucks traveling at 90 kph, and increasing the speed limit was just >>>encouraging unsafe passing - and the time saved on an average trip is >>>relatively low from the Minister deciding the limit himself.
changes made without expert advice by Simeon
- but then Bishop isNo they did not.
erratic himself. The previous government however consulted both local >communities and science advisers . . .
Being in charge of a machine that can kill comes with responsibility. >>>And making speed limit decisions should also come with responsibility. >>>Nobody is trying to totally eliminate risk, but informed decisions can >>>minimise loss of productivity - and recognise that too much speed may >>>give lower productivity.Agreed - it should have said goes up rapidly with lower speed. Sorry >>>about that.
Of course drivers and passengers are no the only people to die from
car accidents - the faster a car is going when it hits a pedestrian
the more likely it is to cause a death - the chance of survival goes >>>>> up rapidly with speed.
Yeah, Nah. The survival goes down with a speed increase.
Now if you disagree with the above explanation, give some evidence!
The government is protecting school environments with the new >>>>>>>>>>regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I >>>>>>>>>>suggest
you
look for it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I had heard that Chris Bishop was likely to reverse some of the
On 1 Feb 2025 23:06:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New divided roads are often designed for 110kph, it is experts who do that, not
On 2025-02-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the marks left and damage to the vehicle, they are often able to >>determine fairly accurately the speed at the time of the collision and >>shortly before.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 06:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:many people is the reason Simeon was abruptly replaced as Minister of
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 03:28:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Possibly not, but infinitely more trustworthy than the last government, >>>>>admittedly a very low bar.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So you can't give a reference, or name the Minister.
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't do "Political rhetoric", that's what you do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>https://www.facebook.com/chris.perley.39/posts/pfbid0MrngDN59BPNzspiAde8dWskQmxM1SpxU8CVQRbLwgHFf1i9j3CJizbaNgQLr5ewKlProve it - or is that just more of your "Poltical rhetoric"?
Poltical rhetoric based on absolutely no science or facts. Just >>>>>>>>>following
the
party line.
Speed is not the biggest killer on our roads.
I don't need to prove it, it was stated by the Minister this week. >>>>>>
But of course statements from Ministers under this government are not >>>>>>to be trusted anyway . . .
Minister of Transport.
So you have no evidence . . . again . . .
Reference and evidence. Look it up and stop asking others to do your work. >>>> Are you claiming that lying about the reasons for speed killing so
Transport recently? You are probably closer to the National party than >>>> I am, and that supposition may well be true; but of course speed is
the most significant reason for vehicle deaths - try some simple
searches.
However do these searches (data) give the speed at the time of the crash >>>compared to the speed limit?
car has a big impact on whether it causes a minor or major injury or
Driving to fast for the conditions is the reason for crashes and deaths. >>Yes, often that is the case. If a pedestrian is hit, the speed of the
death
Which is why those speed limits should be set based on expertSome tried to argue that alcohol and other drugs are also a major
cause of road deaths, but ultimately speed is still the underlying
cause - the safe speed for a driver that is intoxicated or under the
influence of drugs is usually zero - but the high speed nutters try to >>>> blame the drug rather than the reality that dying from a car crash is
most often through driving too fast for all the conditions.
Exactly, drivivg to the conditions , the real world ones, lowers crashes and >>>thus deaths. So what is needed is to get the drivers understanding what a >>>save speed is for the existing conditions and for the driver(s) to drive to >>>this save speed,
The speed limit signs should be considered as advisory, the max save speed >>>in good conditions.
analysis.
politicians (per the last government).
Such analysis has led to some surprising changes - manyHe didn't, in most cases he reversed a decision made by a previous minister >himself. Very different.
short sections of road that had two lanes in one direction have been >>changed back to only one lane - and average safe speeds have
increased! The highway from Featherston to Masterton has a lot of
trucks traveling at 90 kph, and increasing the speed limit was just >>encouraging unsafe passing - and the time saved on an average trip is >>relatively low from the Minister deciding the limit himself.
Being in charge of a machine that can kill comes with responsibility.And making speed limit decisions should also come with responsibility. >>Nobody is trying to totally eliminate risk, but informed decisions can >>minimise loss of productivity - and recognise that too much speed may
give lower productivity.
Agreed - it should have said goes up rapidly with lower speed. Sorry
Of course drivers and passengers are no the only people to die from
car accidents - the faster a car is going when it hits a pedestrian
the more likely it is to cause a death - the chance of survival goes
up rapidly with speed.
Yeah, Nah. The survival goes down with a speed increase.
about that.
Now if you disagree with the above explanation, give some evidence!
The government is protecting school environments with the new >>>>>>>>>regulations.
I'm sure there is a cause you could support that is fact based, I >>>>>>>>>suggest
you
look for it.
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