Speaking at present on Radio New Zealand about The Treaty and theI agree - the small minority of Maori, mainly TPM are leading the deception. The vast majority of Maori are in favour of working with the rest of New Zealand forlk.
Waitangi celebrations.
Shipley has not always acted either well or honorably, but her
interview this morning is, while she still acts as an apologist for
the National Party, a good summary of the situation regarding
relationships between Maori and other New Zealanders, and she
expresses views that a large majority of New Zealanders can readily
agree with. She acknowledges the deliberate deception and views that
are being pushed by a small minority that are misleading some New
Zealanders, but is otherwise positive and sensible in the views she >expresses. Well worth listening to.
Speaking at present on Radio New Zealand about The Treaty and the
Waitangi celebrations.
Shipley has not always acted either well or honorably, but her
interview this morning is, while she still acts as an apologist for
the National Party, a good summary of the situation regarding
relationships between Maori and other New Zealanders, and she
expresses views that a large majority of New Zealanders can readily
agree with. She acknowledges the deliberate deception and views that
are being pushed by a small minority that are misleading some New
Zealanders, but is otherwise positive and sensible in the views she >expresses. Well worth listening to.
On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 09:29:58 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>I agree that she has not always been a shining light for anyone, but
wrote:
Speaking at present on Radio New Zealand about The Treaty and the
Waitangi celebrations.
Shipley has not always acted either well or honorably, but her
interview this morning is, while she still acts as an apologist for
the National Party, a good summary of the situation regarding >>relationships between Maori and other New Zealanders, and she
expresses views that a large majority of New Zealanders can readily
agree with. She acknowledges the deliberate deception and views that
are being pushed by a small minority that are misleading some New >>Zealanders, but is otherwise positive and sensible in the views she >>expresses. Well worth listening to.
Shipley is not an authority on the Treaty and related issues. The
interest in her is purely as a former PM from more than 20 years ago,
who was a long time National party MP who never won an election as PM.
I listened to a replay for about 5 minutes before deciding that what
she had to say was neither enlightening nor relevant.
With respect to the Waitangi celebrations this week, we are reminded
that Maori culture as practiced today revolves primarily around verbal >violence aka the Haka. The Maori answer to anything they don't want
to hear from any proponent expressing an opinion is to perform a Haka.
In European terms this is the equivalent to shouting down a speaker at
a protest. The aim of both is clear - to shut the speaker down.
No-one who opposes Acts Treaty Principles Bill has ever been specificRubbish - ACT want to unilaterally break a contract and impose their
on why - they just make a broad claim about it removing the rights of
Maori without specifying how. There has been no debate on this where
those opposed can quote any wording of the bill and then logically
claim any loss of rights. Proponents of the bill have been clear on
the aims.
Equally, everyone seems to have forgotten that this bill was agreed to
by National as a part of their coalition agreement with ACT with
provision that it will be voted down at the second reading
irrespective of what a Select Committee says. There is value in the
Select Committee with analysis of submissions for and against that
will come in useful if we ever get to a point where anything similar
will be considered again.
On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 15:25:59 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 09:29:58 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:I agree that she has not always been a shining light for anyone, but
Speaking at present on Radio New Zealand about The Treaty and the >>>Waitangi celebrations.
Shipley has not always acted either well or honorably, but her
interview this morning is, while she still acts as an apologist for
the National Party, a good summary of the situation regarding >>>relationships between Maori and other New Zealanders, and she
expresses views that a large majority of New Zealanders can readily
agree with. She acknowledges the deliberate deception and views that
are being pushed by a small minority that are misleading some New >>>Zealanders, but is otherwise positive and sensible in the views she >>>expresses. Well worth listening to.
Shipley is not an authority on the Treaty and related issues. The
interest in her is purely as a former PM from more than 20 years ago,
who was a long time National party MP who never won an election as PM.
I listened to a replay for about 5 minutes before deciding that what
she had to say was neither enlightening nor relevant.
in this speech she is expressing some that are held by a large
majority of New Zealanders - as she points out the ACT Party and
Seymour are a small minority; and in referring to misrepresentation
she was clearly referring to elements of the Bill and Seymour's
excuses for why his party had put it forward.
It is clearly
embarrassing to National that Luxon was such a poor negotiator in the >coalition agreements,
and is having to hide while others carry the
arguments that he missed
With respect to the Waitangi celebrations this week, we are reminded
that Maori culture as practiced today revolves primarily around verbal >>violence aka the Haka. The Maori answer to anything they don't want
to hear from any proponent expressing an opinion is to perform a Haka.
In European terms this is the equivalent to shouting down a speaker at
a protest. The aim of both is clear - to shut the speaker down.
Which is untrue, but in any event has nothing to do with Jenny Shipley
or the arguments about the Treaty
Rubbish - ACT want to unilaterally break a contract and impose their >political will. They are wrong, but thankfully the publicity is making
No-one who opposes Acts Treaty Principles Bill has ever been specific
on why - they just make a broad claim about it removing the rights of
Maori without specifying how. There has been no debate on this where
those opposed can quote any wording of the bill and then logically
claim any loss of rights. Proponents of the bill have been clear on
the aims.
more New Zealanders appreciate that ACT are untrustworthy and should
not be supported at the next election.
Equally, everyone seems to have forgotten that this bill was agreed to
by National as a part of their coalition agreement with ACT with
provision that it will be voted down at the second reading
irrespective of what a Select Committee says. There is value in the
Select Committee with analysis of submissions for and against that
will come in useful if we ever get to a point where anything similar
will be considered again.
See above - it is a huge embarrassment to Luxon - to have to get
Shipley to try and cover for him shows how badly he misjudged ACT. The
verbal submissions are likely to reflect written submissions - listen
for yourself. Your comments do however remind us that ACT has imposed
a huge cost of extended hearings - the silence from the so-called NZ >Taxpayers Union is tellingly silent on the huge waste of money and of
time by MPs and public servants - they are clearly a highly political >organisation that uses deception to push unpopular ideas through
deception . . .
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