• The cost of Green Power

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 03:27:47 2025
    https://archive.md/tIxfc

    This artcle points out what we have hinted at on this ng. Green energy does
    not devliver 24/7 which means that you need a backup system, both in
    generation and network.

    True NZ can reduce the demand for hydro power to save water for the times
    the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, but at the end of the day the green power will cost more as it is has a great % of down time.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Mar 11 09:43:02 2025
    On 10 Mar 2025 03:27:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://archive.md/tIxfc

    This artcle points out what we have hinted at on this ng. Green energy does >not devliver 24/7 which means that you need a backup system, both in >generation and network.

    True NZ can reduce the demand for hydro power to save water for the times
    the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, but at the end of the day >the green power will cost more as it is has a great % of down time.

    I can understand your disappointment that the current government did
    not proceed with improving water storage to give a very cheap way of
    increasing our ability to generate using hydro, but looking after
    landlords and tobacco companies was more important to Seymour and
    Luxon . . . - and more important than putting money in any one else's
    pockets either.

    I haven't seen a wind turbine catch fire as in the illustration in the
    article. One of the generating companies has had resource consent for
    a solar development for quite a few years now, but profits are helped
    by the need to use coal fired generation every so often, and that has
    a higher priority than system efficiency. The reality is that the
    "Bradford Reforms" that part privatised our electricity companies was
    bad for consumers, and for the country - as a lot of the shareholders
    are from overseas . . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 10 23:36:19 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 03:27:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://archive.md/tIxfc

    This artcle points out what we have hinted at on this ng. Green energy does >>not devliver 24/7 which means that you need a backup system, both in >>generation and network.

    True NZ can reduce the demand for hydro power to save water for the times >>the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, but at the end of the day >>the green power will cost more as it is has a great % of down time.

    I can understand your disappointment that the current government did
    not proceed with improving water storage to give a very cheap way of >increasing our ability to generate using hydro, but looking after
    landlords and tobacco companies was more important to Seymour and
    Luxon . . . - and more important than putting money in any one else's
    pockets either.

    I haven't seen a wind turbine catch fire as in the illustration in the >article. One of the generating companies has had resource consent for
    a solar development for quite a few years now, but profits are helped
    by the need to use coal fired generation every so often, and that has
    a higher priority than system efficiency. The reality is that the
    "Bradford Reforms" that part privatised our electricity companies was
    bad for consumers, and for the country - as a lot of the shareholders
    are from overseas . . . .
    Nope, just another of your oft-repeated lies.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Mar 11 13:15:39 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 23:36:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 03:27:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://archive.md/tIxfc

    This artcle points out what we have hinted at on this ng. Green energy does >>>not devliver 24/7 which means that you need a backup system, both in >>>generation and network.

    True NZ can reduce the demand for hydro power to save water for the times >>>the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, but at the end of the day >>>the green power will cost more as it is has a great % of down time.

    I can understand your disappointment that the current government did
    not proceed with improving water storage to give a very cheap way of >>increasing our ability to generate using hydro, but looking after
    landlords and tobacco companies was more important to Seymour and
    Luxon . . . - and more important than putting money in any one else's >>pockets either.

    I haven't seen a wind turbine catch fire as in the illustration in the >>article. One of the generating companies has had resource consent for
    a solar development for quite a few years now, but profits are helped
    by the need to use coal fired generation every so often, and that has
    a higher priority than system efficiency. The reality is that the
    "Bradford Reforms" that part privatised our electricity companies was
    bad for consumers, and for the country - as a lot of the shareholders
    are from overseas . . . .
    Nope, just another of your oft-repeated lies.
    Which you are unable to either identify or "correct" . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 11 06:08:02 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 23:36:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 03:27:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://archive.md/tIxfc

    This artcle points out what we have hinted at on this ng. Green energy does >>>>not devliver 24/7 which means that you need a backup system, both in >>>>generation and network.

    True NZ can reduce the demand for hydro power to save water for the times >>>>the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, but at the end of the day
    the green power will cost more as it is has a great % of down time.

    I can understand your disappointment that the current government did
    not proceed with improving water storage to give a very cheap way of >>>increasing our ability to generate using hydro, but looking after >>>landlords and tobacco companies was more important to Seymour and
    Luxon . . . - and more important than putting money in any one else's >>>pockets either.

    I haven't seen a wind turbine catch fire as in the illustration in the >>>article. One of the generating companies has had resource consent for
    a solar development for quite a few years now, but profits are helped
    by the need to use coal fired generation every so often, and that has
    a higher priority than system efficiency. The reality is that the >>>"Bradford Reforms" that part privatised our electricity companies was
    bad for consumers, and for the country - as a lot of the shareholders
    are from overseas . . . .
    Nope, just another of your oft-repeated lies.
    Which you are unable to either identify or "correct" . . .
    Of course I identified it - I said it was a lie (that is identification), and indeed a lie it is.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 11 07:57:07 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 06:08:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 23:36:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 03:27:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://archive.md/tIxfc

    This artcle points out what we have hinted at on this ng. Green energy >>>>>>does
    not devliver 24/7 which means that you need a backup system, both in >>>>>>generation and network.

    True NZ can reduce the demand for hydro power to save water for the times >>>>>>the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, but at the end of the >>>>>>day
    the green power will cost more as it is has a great % of down time.

    I can understand your disappointment that the current government did >>>>>not proceed with improving water storage to give a very cheap way of >>>>>increasing our ability to generate using hydro, but looking after >>>>>landlords and tobacco companies was more important to Seymour and >>>>>Luxon . . . - and more important than putting money in any one else's >>>>>pockets either.

    I haven't seen a wind turbine catch fire as in the illustration in the >>>>>article. One of the generating companies has had resource consent for >>>>>a solar development for quite a few years now, but profits are helped >>>>>by the need to use coal fired generation every so often, and that has >>>>>a higher priority than system efficiency. The reality is that the >>>>>"Bradford Reforms" that part privatised our electricity companies was >>>>>bad for consumers, and for the country - as a lot of the shareholders >>>>>are from overseas . . . .
    Nope, just another of your oft-repeated lies.
    Which you are unable to either identify or "correct" . . .
    Of course I identified it - I said it was a lie (that is identification), and >>indeed a lie it is.

    What statement do you claim is a lie?
    The one you made that I reponded to - do get some help.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Mar 11 20:08:29 2025
    On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 06:08:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 23:36:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 03:27:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://archive.md/tIxfc

    This artcle points out what we have hinted at on this ng. Green energy does
    not devliver 24/7 which means that you need a backup system, both in >>>>>generation and network.

    True NZ can reduce the demand for hydro power to save water for the times >>>>>the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow, but at the end of the day
    the green power will cost more as it is has a great % of down time.

    I can understand your disappointment that the current government did >>>>not proceed with improving water storage to give a very cheap way of >>>>increasing our ability to generate using hydro, but looking after >>>>landlords and tobacco companies was more important to Seymour and
    Luxon . . . - and more important than putting money in any one else's >>>>pockets either.

    I haven't seen a wind turbine catch fire as in the illustration in the >>>>article. One of the generating companies has had resource consent for
    a solar development for quite a few years now, but profits are helped >>>>by the need to use coal fired generation every so often, and that has
    a higher priority than system efficiency. The reality is that the >>>>"Bradford Reforms" that part privatised our electricity companies was >>>>bad for consumers, and for the country - as a lot of the shareholders >>>>are from overseas . . . .
    Nope, just another of your oft-repeated lies.
    Which you are unable to either identify or "correct" . . .
    Of course I identified it - I said it was a lie (that is identification), and >indeed a lie it is.

    What statement do you claim is a lie?

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