The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote wetn to upgrading Eden Park, rather than
building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the >privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual >maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all
the other areas of their work too. :-\
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
wrote:
The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote went to upgrading Eden Park, rather than
building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the
privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
From where? If they can fund their aspirations privately that's all
good and I wish them success. I wonder though if they plan to hit up
the Government.
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual
maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all
the other areas of their work too. :-\
I am not an Auckland ratepayer but is this not what Wayne Brown is all
about?
On 2025-03-28 03:58:20 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
wrote:
The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote went to upgrading Eden Park, rather than
building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the
privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
From where? If they can fund their aspirations privately that's all
good and I wish them success. I wonder though if they plan to hit up
the Government.
According to the NZ Herald, the Government hasn't said anything one way
or another. Hopefully they too show some common sense and say no
tax-payer funding.
There are at least two or three of the current stadiums in Auckland
that the Council should simply sell off. They're just money pits eating
up piles of money. (Everybody with more than one braincell knew the
North Harbour Stadium would be a pointless huge white elephant before
it was even built, and it has proven to be so ever since.)
As I understand it most of that increase is due to central governmentAuckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual
maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all
the other areas of their work too. :-\
I am not an Auckland ratepayer but is this not what Wayne Brown is all
about?
Supposedly he was meant to cut the Council's wasteful money spending,
but like all politicians, his pre-election promises have amounted to
very little actual action and rates have gone up even further.
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:56:41 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>Wrong. The biggest difference is that the last government wanted the water to be controlled by a minority unelected organisation chosen based on race. This government prefers democracy.
wrote:
On 2025-03-28 03:58:20 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
wrote:
The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote went to upgrading Eden Park, rather than
building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the
privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
From where? If they can fund their aspirations privately that's all
good and I wish them success. I wonder though if they plan to hit up
the Government.
According to the NZ Herald, the Government hasn't said anything one way
or another. Hopefully they too show some common sense and say no
tax-payer funding.
There was talk of the Trust being lent money borrowed by the
government, and on-lent to the trust. That was said to possible result
in lower interest rates than if borrowing had been raised directly by
the trust, if they could have borrowed sufficient money at all.
I found it interesting that the issue of interest rates and ability to
borrow were being used to justify lending by government, as that is
exactly what is resulting to large projected borrowing by local
authorities (many of which have recently lowered credit ratings, at
higher interest rates than if the government borrowed and on-lent to >Councils. Perhaps the current government are learning a few basic
economic realities - would that be a novel change?
(The biggest difference between this government and the previous one
on water was that the Labour led government would have borrowed at low
rates and on-lent as necessary for regional entities to carry out the
work - the current government is happy to see ratepayers pay for
higher interests - it will increase profits to banks - much more
important to the Chaos Coalition . . .
Clearly you understand nothing then.As I understand it most of that increase is due to central government
There are at least two or three of the current stadiums in Auckland
that the Council should simply sell off. They're just money pits eating
up piles of money. (Everybody with more than one braincell knew the
North Harbour Stadium would be a pointless huge white elephant before
it was even built, and it has proven to be so ever since.)
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual
maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all
the other areas of their work too. :-\
I am not an Auckland ratepayer but is this not what Wayne Brown is all
about?
Supposedly he was meant to cut the Council's wasteful money spending,
but like all politicians, his pre-election promises have amounted to
very little actual action and rates have gone up even further.
water changes and other passing of costs from central government
regarding other major projects.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:56:41 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>Wrong. The biggest difference is that the last government wanted the water to >be controlled by a minority unelected organisation chosen based on race. This >government prefers democracy.
wrote:
On 2025-03-28 03:58:20 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
wrote:
The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote went to upgrading Eden Park, rather than
building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the
privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
From where? If they can fund their aspirations privately that's all
good and I wish them success. I wonder though if they plan to hit up
the Government.
According to the NZ Herald, the Government hasn't said anything one way >>>or another. Hopefully they too show some common sense and say no >>>tax-payer funding.
There was talk of the Trust being lent money borrowed by the
government, and on-lent to the trust. That was said to possible result
in lower interest rates than if borrowing had been raised directly by
the trust, if they could have borrowed sufficient money at all.
I found it interesting that the issue of interest rates and ability to >>borrow were being used to justify lending by government, as that is
exactly what is resulting to large projected borrowing by local
authorities (many of which have recently lowered credit ratings, at
higher interest rates than if the government borrowed and on-lent to >>Councils. Perhaps the current government are learning a few basic
economic realities - would that be a novel change?
(The biggest difference between this government and the previous one
on water was that the Labour led government would have borrowed at low >>rates and on-lent as necessary for regional entities to carry out the
work - the current government is happy to see ratepayers pay for
higher interests - it will increase profits to banks - much more
important to the Chaos Coalition . . .
Clearly you understand nothing then.
As I understand it most of that increase is due to central government
There are at least two or three of the current stadiums in Auckland
that the Council should simply sell off. They're just money pits eating >>>up piles of money. (Everybody with more than one braincell knew the
North Harbour Stadium would be a pointless huge white elephant before
it was even built, and it has proven to be so ever since.)
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres >>>>> that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual >>>>> maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all >>>>> the other areas of their work too. :-\
I am not an Auckland ratepayer but is this not what Wayne Brown is all >>>> about?
Supposedly he was meant to cut the Council's wasteful money spending,
but like all politicians, his pre-election promises have amounted to
very little actual action and rates have gone up even further.
water changes and other passing of costs from central government
regarding other major projects.
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:56:41 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
wrote:
On 2025-03-28 03:58:20 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
wrote:
The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote went to upgrading Eden Park, rather than
building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the
privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
From where? If they can fund their aspirations privately that's all
good and I wish them success. I wonder though if they plan to hit up
the Government.
According to the NZ Herald, the Government hasn't said anything one way
or another. Hopefully they too show some common sense and say no
tax-payer funding.
There was talk of the Trust being lent money borrowed by the
government, and on-lent to the trust. That was said to possible result
in lower interest rates than if borrowing had been raised directly by
the trust, if they could have borrowed sufficient money at all.
I found it interesting that the issue of interest rates and ability to
borrow were being used to justify lending by government, as that is
exactly what is resulting to large projected borrowing by local
authorities (many of which have recently lowered credit ratings, at
higher interest rates than if the government borrowed and on-lent to Councils. Perhaps the current government are learning a few basic
economic realities - would that be a novel change?
(The biggest difference between this government and the previous one
on water was that the Labour led government would have borrowed at low
rates and on-lent as necessary for regional entities to carry out the
work - the current government is happy to see ratepayers pay for
higher interests - it will increase profits to banks - much more
important to the Chaos Coalition . . .
There are at least two or three of the current stadiums in Auckland
that the Council should simply sell off. They're just money pits eating
up piles of money. (Everybody with more than one braincell knew the
North Harbour Stadium would be a pointless huge white elephant before
it was even built, and it has proven to be so ever since.)
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual
maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all
the other areas of their work too. :-\
I am not an Auckland ratepayer but is this not what Wayne Brown is all
about?
Supposedly he was meant to cut the Council's wasteful money spending,
but like all politicians, his pre-election promises have amounted to
very little actual action and rates have gone up even further.
As I understand it most of that increase is due to central government
water changes and other passing of costs from central government
regarding other major projects.
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 19:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:56:41 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>Wrong. The biggest difference is that the last government wanted the water to >>be controlled by a minority unelected organisation chosen based on race. This >>government prefers democracy.
wrote:
On 2025-03-28 03:58:20 +0000, Crash said:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
wrote:
The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote went to upgrading Eden Park, rather than >>>>>> building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the
privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
From where? If they can fund their aspirations privately that's all >>>>> good and I wish them success. I wonder though if they plan to hit up >>>>> the Government.
According to the NZ Herald, the Government hasn't said anything one way >>>>or another. Hopefully they too show some common sense and say no >>>>tax-payer funding.
There was talk of the Trust being lent money borrowed by the
government, and on-lent to the trust. That was said to possible result
in lower interest rates than if borrowing had been raised directly by
the trust, if they could have borrowed sufficient money at all.
I found it interesting that the issue of interest rates and ability to >>>borrow were being used to justify lending by government, as that is >>>exactly what is resulting to large projected borrowing by local >>>authorities (many of which have recently lowered credit ratings, at >>>higher interest rates than if the government borrowed and on-lent to >>>Councils. Perhaps the current government are learning a few basic >>>economic realities - would that be a novel change?
(The biggest difference between this government and the previous one
on water was that the Labour led government would have borrowed at low >>>rates and on-lent as necessary for regional entities to carry out the >>>work - the current government is happy to see ratepayers pay for
higher interests - it will increase profits to banks - much more >>>important to the Chaos Coalition . . .
othersSo you cannot address the point I made, no surprise.
see that large water entities such as Wellington and Auckland may have
to pay around an additional 0.25% in interest on billions of dollars
of borrowing, but some smaller Councils with lower credit rating may
have to pay an additional 0.5% over what the government could borrow
money for - and then on-lend to the water entity. That is a huge
amount of money going to banks and other lenders with no benefit to
New Zealanders. You may not have liked the previous government wanting
the governance boards to be representative of New Zealand, but your
racist views do not cost all of New Zealand a huge amount of money -
the proposals of the current government do.
The current government recognised that reality recently in relation toStill not addressing my point.
making money available to a social housing trust.
Homelessness has gone up 50% in the last year, due to the currentOff topic.
government stopping all building of accommodation suitable for those
very poor people - instead of having a government agency with a large
amount of expertise and experience build more social housing, they are >leaving it to a trust with expertise in managing tenants in such
housing, but no experience themselves in constructing suitable
housing. They are putting ideology ahead of the good of New
Zealanders, but we can perhaps be thankful that they did not go as far
as the ACT party would have wanted, which would be to leave the
markets to decide that investing in more expensive new homes would
over a long time leave the dregs of our housing stock for such Trusts
to use to assist the homeless (ACT would also remove healthy home >requirements).
Clearly you understand nothing then.
As I understand it most of that increase is due to central government >>>water changes and other passing of costs from central government >>>regarding other major projects.
There are at least two or three of the current stadiums in Auckland >>>>that the Council should simply sell off. They're just money pits eating >>>>up piles of money. (Everybody with more than one braincell knew the >>>>North Harbour Stadium would be a pointless huge white elephant before >>>>it was even built, and it has proven to be so ever since.)
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres >>>>>> that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual >>>>>> maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all >>>>>> the other areas of their work too. :-\
I am not an Auckland ratepayer but is this not what Wayne Brown is all >>>>> about?
Supposedly he was meant to cut the Council's wasteful money spending, >>>>but like all politicians, his pre-election promises have amounted to >>>>very little actual action and rates have gone up even further.
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual maintenance.
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me wrote:
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual
maintenance.
But you need all those iconic facilities in order to be a world-class
city. Without world-class facilities, how can you be an iconic city?
Iconic is good. You have to be iconic. More than that, you have to be >world-class iconic. In the list of the world’s most iconic cities,
Auckland struggles to make the world-class part of the list. Look at the
most world-class cities, and see how iconic they are. Auckland needs to be >like that.
On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 06:57:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 15:23:47 +1300, It's A Me wrote:
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual
maintenance.
But you need all those iconic facilities in order to be a world-class
city. Without world-class facilities, how can you be an iconic city?
Iconic is good. You have to be iconic. More than that, you have to be
world-class iconic. In the list of the world’s most iconic cities,
Auckland struggles to make the world-class part of the list. Look at the
most world-class cities, and see how iconic they are. Auckland needs to be >> like that.
Auckland would be truly iconic if all non-essential council personnel
were given two days a week unpaid leave until the debt is paid.
Bill.
The Auckland Council has said they will not be funding any new or
upgraded stadium. The vote wetn to upgrading Eden Park, rather than
building a new stadium, BUT no Council money will be used - the privately-owned Eden Park Trust will have to fund any upgrades
themselves.
Auckland already has far too many useless stadiums and events centres
that sit idle 95% of the year wasting rate-payer's money on continual maintenance.
Now, if ony the Council would start showing some common sense in all
the other areas of their work too. :-\
You could give all city *councillors* and upper management staff unpaid
leave for years and not notice any difference to the city's functioning
... they're completely pointless, overpaid cretins.
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