...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would
have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Nonsense.
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would
have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
The Greens have shown no tolerance for any law-breaking
- with instantNonsense.
standing down for any significant problems.
There has not been shownOff topic.
to be any such problems with any politician since Jago - where Seymour
tried to get it hushed up by trying to get it referred to a family
lawyer rather than the police, then getting it hushed up until after
an election.
So wrong party, Bill.Nope.
Still it was a good try at a scurrilous rumour by the Taxpayer UnionOff topic.
lady . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Give one example . . .
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Nonsense.
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
The Greens have shown no tolerance for any law-breaking
Demonstrated more than once . . .- with instantNonsense.
standing down for any significant problems.
The Topic is "If you were a kiddy fiddler..."There has not been shownOff topic.
to be any such problems with any politician since Jago - where Seymour >>tried to get it hushed up by trying to get it referred to a family
lawyer rather than the police, then getting it hushed up until after
an election.
Yes - the ACT Party is the party that protected a kiddy fiddlerNope.
So wrong party, Bill.
OK so it was the Free Speech Union - still closely linked to ACT andOff topic.
Still it was a good try at a scurrilous rumour by the Taxpayer Union
lady . . .
The Doyle person has posted an image interracting with a young boy that should >make you very concerned. if not then you and Doyle have a common interest I >guess.Why should I be concerned - I understand that the boy is his son - I
He uses a word which implies child molestation, and even one of the Greens >leaders agrees.Words can mean different things to different people - strange that the
But hey, bwing green means nothing about the environment it means everything >about attacking police, wanting shorter prison sentences and defending >pedofiles.Again you are confused - it was the ACT party that tried to support as
On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 22:49:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyDarleen Tana, took for ever.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Give one example . . .
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Nonsense.
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
The Greens have shown no tolerance for any law-breaking
But not at all always, many examples of them takingh too long.Demonstrated more than once . . .- with instantNonsense.
standing down for any significant problems.
Nothing to do with the Greens or the topic. Try harder.The Topic is "If you were a kiddy fiddler..."There has not been shownOff topic.
to be any such problems with any politician since Jago - where Seymour >>>tried to get it hushed up by trying to get it referred to a family
lawyer rather than the police, then getting it hushed up until after
an election.
So look at: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540800/suvivor-s-relief-as-former-act-party-president-tim-jago-named-as-sexual-abuser
From that article:
"Jago was found guilty of abusing two teenage boys he knew through a
sports club in the 1990s after a week-long jury trial in Auckland last
year.
After two years battling to keep his name secret, Jago abandoned this
fight for ongoing name suppression on Friday - paving the way for one
of the survivors to identify themselves too. "
So who is the convicted kiddy fiddler you want to talk about, Tony?Ask Bill.
And just to be clear, Tim Jago was never a member of the Green PartyIndeed and that is only one reason he is off topic.
Off topic, try harder.Yes - the ACT Party is the party that protected a kiddy fiddlerNope.
So wrong party, Bill.
through an election campaign . . .
Off topic.OK so it was the Free Speech Union - still closely linked to ACT andOff topic.
Still it was a good try at a scurrilous rumour by the Taxpayer Union
lady . . .
the Atlas Network - Ani O'Brien is currently on the governing council
of the "Free Speech Union." I have however seen suggestions that the
initial muck-raking may have been from your old friend Cam Slater,
Tony - and it may surprise you to hear that he is not a member of the
Green Party either . . .
Abuse goneThe Doyle person has posted an image interracting with a young boy that >>shouldWhy should I be concerned - I understand that the boy is his son -
make you very concerned. if not then you and Doyle have a common interest I >>guess.
They are not.He uses a word which implies child molestation, and even one of the Greens >>leaders agrees.Words can mean different things to different people - strange that the
"Free Speech Union" is trying to dictate private speech . . .
Stupid off topic repetition removed.But hey, bwing green means nothing about the environment it means everything >>about attacking police, wanting shorter prison sentences and defending >>pedofiles.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Rubbish - the Greens acted promptly within their rules, which required
On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 22:49:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyDarleen Tana, took for ever.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Give one example . . .
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Nonsense.
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
The Greens have shown no tolerance for any law-breaking
As did Golriz GhahramanStood down very quickly, all actions open with members, case went to
Metiria Leanne Agnes Stanton Turei, took an age.Remind me of that one Tony - what happened?
And there are more but 1 was easy.But not as slow at ACTNZ1stNational . . .
But not at all always, many examples of them takingh too long.
Demonstrated more than once . . .- with instantNonsense.
standing down for any significant problems.
So you are now saying that you should not have responded as you didNothing to do with the Greens or the topic. Try harder.
The Topic is "If you were a kiddy fiddler..."There has not been shownOff topic.
to be any such problems with any politician since Jago - where Seymour >>>>tried to get it hushed up by trying to get it referred to a family >>>>lawyer rather than the police, then getting it hushed up until after
an election.
So look at: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540800/suvivor-s-relief-as-former-act-party-president-tim-jago-named-as-sexual-abuser
From that article:
"Jago was found guilty of abusing two teenage boys he knew through a
sports club in the 1990s after a week-long jury trial in Auckland last >>year.
After two years battling to keep his name secret, Jago abandoned this
fight for ongoing name suppression on Friday - paving the way for one
of the survivors to identify themselves too. "
Ask Bill.
So who is the convicted kiddy fiddler you want to talk about, Tony?
On topic - the topic is not restricted only to your distorted views,Indeed and that is only one reason he is off topic.
And just to be clear, Tim Jago was never a member of the Green Party
Off topic, try harder.
Yes - the ACT Party is the party that protected a kiddy fiddlerNope.
So wrong party, Bill.
through an election campaign . . .
On topic - the "Dirty Tricks" team may have changed a few when theyOff topic.
OK so it was the Free Speech Union - still closely linked to ACT andOff topic.
Still it was a good try at a scurrilous rumour by the Taxpayer Union >>>>lady . . .
the Atlas Network - Ani O'Brien is currently on the governing council
of the "Free Speech Union." I have however seen suggestions that the >>initial muck-raking may have been from your old friend Cam Slater,
Tony - and it may surprise you to hear that he is not a member of the
Green Party either . . .
A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus').Abuse gone
The Doyle person has posted an image interracting with a young boy that >>>shouldWhy should I be concerned - I understand that the boy is his son -
make you very concerned. if not then you and Doyle have a common interest I >>>guess.
Rich is a disgusting pervert, now demonstarted for all to see.
They are not.
He uses a word which implies child molestation, and even one of the Greens >>>leaders agrees.Words can mean different things to different people - strange that the >>"Free Speech Union" is trying to dictate private speech . . .
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.
Stupid off topic repetition removed.
But hey, bwing green means nothing about the environment it means everything >>>about attacking police, wanting shorter prison sentences and defending >>>pedofiles.
On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 03:38:15 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou wrote "> with instant
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Rubbish - the Greens acted promptly within their rules, which required
On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 22:49:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyDarleen Tana, took for ever.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Give one example . . .
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Nonsense.
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
The Greens have shown no tolerance for any law-breaking
a democratic decision - the majority of the time she continued as an
MP it was not as a member of the Green Party
As did Golriz GhahramanStood down very quickly, all actions open with members, case went to
court without holdups from the party on her behalf (compare with ACT
helping Jago keep everything slow and out of the public eye)
Metiria Leanne Agnes Stanton Turei, took an age.Remind me of that one Tony - what happened?
We are not talking about either of them, although I think that is another of your lies.And there are more but 1 was easy.
But not as slow at ACTNZ1stNational . . .But not at all always, many examples of them takingh too long.
Demonstrated more than once . . .- with instantNonsense.
standing down for any significant problems.
Abuse gone, again!So you are now saying that you should not have responded as you didNothing to do with the Greens or the topic. Try harder.
The Topic is "If you were a kiddy fiddler..."There has not been shownOff topic.
to be any such problems with any politician since Jago - where Seymour >>>>>tried to get it hushed up by trying to get it referred to a family >>>>>lawyer rather than the police, then getting it hushed up until after >>>>>an election.
So look at: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/540800/suvivor-s-relief-as-former-act-party-president-tim-jago-named-as-sexual-abuser
From that article:
"Jago was found guilty of abusing two teenage boys he knew through a >>>sports club in the 1990s after a week-long jury trial in Auckland last >>>year.
After two years battling to keep his name secret, Jago abandoned this >>>fight for ongoing name suppression on Friday - paving the way for one
of the survivors to identify themselves too. "
Ask Bill.
So who is the convicted kiddy fiddler you want to talk about, Tony?
because it is up to Bill what you are allowed to say -
Still off topic. Get a life and get some help.On topic - the topic is not restricted only to your distorted views,Off topic, try harder.
And just to be clear, Tim Jago was never a member of the Green Party >>Indeed and that is only one reason he is off topic.
Yes - the ACT Party is the party that protected a kiddy fiddlerNope.
So wrong party, Bill.
through an election campaign . . .
Tony.
Completely off topic, your horrible tricks don't work. Keep to the subject or go away.On topic - the "Dirty Tricks" team may have changed a few when theyOff topic.
OK so it was the Free Speech Union - still closely linked to ACT andOff topic.
Still it was a good try at a scurrilous rumour by the Taxpayer Union >>>>>lady . . .
the Atlas Network - Ani O'Brien is currently on the governing council
of the "Free Speech Union." I have however seen suggestions that the >>>initial muck-raking may have been from your old friend Cam Slater,
Tony - and it may surprise you to hear that he is not a member of the >>>Green Party either . . .
were totally discredited a few years ago, but this is just one example
that the Atlas Network and National Party players will seek to
mis-interpret anything to discredit political parties they do not
support.
A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus'). Incorrect, you may be a child but you are wrong. You disgust me that you defend such attrocities.Abuse gone
The Doyle person has posted an image interracting with a young boy that >>>>shouldWhy should I be concerned - I understand that the boy is his son -
make you very concerned. if not then you and Doyle have a common interest I >>>>guess.
Rich is a disgusting pervert, now demonstarted for all to see.
They are not.
He uses a word which implies child molestation, and even one of the Greens >>>>leaders agrees.Words can mean different things to different people - strange that the >>>"Free Speech Union" is trying to dictate private speech . . .
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.
Stupid off topic repetition removed.
But hey, bwing green means nothing about the environment it means >>>>everything
about attacking police, wanting shorter prison sentences and defending >>>>pedofiles.
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would
have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
The Greens have shown no tolerance for any law-breaking - with instant >standing down for any significant problems. There has not been shown
to be any such problems with any politician since Jago - where Seymour
tried to get it hushed up by trying to get it referred to a family
lawyer rather than the police, then getting it hushed up until after
an election.
So wrong party, Bill.
Still it was a good try at a scurrilous rumour by the Taxpayer Union
lady . . .
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus').
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would
have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
On 2/04/25 17:09, Rich80105 wrote:
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus').
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556828/threats-against-mp-benjamin-doyle-referred-to-police-greens
"Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters drew attention to Doyle's private >Instagram account on Saturday, asking what the handle 'BibleBeltBussy'
meant.
The term "bussy" is used by some members of the rainbow community to
refer to a man's anus."
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:57:04 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>What is truly sad is that there are creatures like you that support this person and their use of disgusting words. Also, their apparent support of pedophilia.
wrote:
On 2/04/25 17:09, Rich80105 wrote:
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus').
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556828/threats-against-mp-benjamin-doyle-referred-to-police-greens
"Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters drew attention to Doyle's private >>Instagram account on Saturday, asking what the handle 'BibleBeltBussy' >>meant.
The term "bussy" is used by some members of the rainbow community to
refer to a man's anus."
Try this: >https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/anatomy-of-a-scandal-green-mp-benjamin-doyles-case-explained/SI3DQ4LWCBGDXEIJCKIMMMJ5PA/
It is sad that The Herald appears to be using their paywall to prevent >information about a dishonest personal attack from being made public -
but they know that their audience expects their political support for
the Right - even when that support requires dishonesty,
misinterpretation and lack of journalist ethics . . .
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Horseshit, avery word you wrote above.
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas
Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not
resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the
reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world
supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned
media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/More garbage from you as a defender of pedophiles.
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a
flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects
vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally,
they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for
themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have
different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for
donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support
organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different
nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being
worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends >Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:57:04 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>wrote:What is truly sad is that there are creatures like you that support this person
On 2/04/25 17:09, Rich80105 wrote:
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus'). >>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556828/threats-against-mp-benjamin-doyle-referred-to-police-greens
"Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters drew attention to Doyle's private >>>Instagram account on Saturday, asking what the handle 'BibleBeltBussy' >>>meant.
The term "bussy" is used by some members of the rainbow community to >>>refer to a man's anus."
Try this: >>https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/anatomy-of-a-scandal-green-mp-benjamin-doyles-case-explained/SI3DQ4LWCBGDXEIJCKIMMMJ5PA/
It is sad that The Herald appears to be using their paywall to prevent >>information about a dishonest personal attack from being made public -
but they know that their audience expects their political support for
the Right - even when that support requires dishonesty,
misinterpretation and lack of journalist ethics . . .
and their use of disgusting words. Also, their apparent support of pedophilia.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you now claiming that either Seymour or Trump is a pedophile? As
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Horseshit, avery word you wrote above.
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas
Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not
resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the
reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world
supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned
media in New Zealand was biased!
More garbage from you as a defender of pedophiles.
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a
flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects
vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally,
they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for
themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have
different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for
donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support
organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different
nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being
worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends >>Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 00:31:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is just nonsense. You are supporting pedophilia. You are disgusting.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:57:04 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>wrote:What is truly sad is that there are creatures like you that support this >>person
On 2/04/25 17:09, Rich80105 wrote:
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus'). >>>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556828/threats-against-mp-benjamin-doyle-referred-to-police-greens
"Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters drew attention to Doyle's private >>>>Instagram account on Saturday, asking what the handle 'BibleBeltBussy' >>>>meant.
The term "bussy" is used by some members of the rainbow community to >>>>refer to a man's anus."
Try this: >>>https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/anatomy-of-a-scandal-green-mp-benjamin-doyles-case-explained/SI3DQ4LWCBGDXEIJCKIMMMJ5PA/
It is sad that The Herald appears to be using their paywall to prevent >>>information about a dishonest personal attack from being made public - >>>but they know that their audience expects their political support for
the Right - even when that support requires dishonesty,
misinterpretation and lack of journalist ethics . . .
and their use of disgusting words. Also, their apparent support of pedophilia.
I am with the Free Speech Union who say quite reasonably that people
should be able to express themselves, but the dishonest personal
attack was from Winston Peters, and that is what a recent post above
refers to. Winston was being very careful in only, technically, asking >questions, while as you infer using disgusting words - on this issue I
do not support Winston Peters at all - he is merely fanning flames lit
by the far right, based on images saved from a private Instagram
account that has now been deleted because of the mis-interpretations
being attributed to it. Jordan Williams is reported as having said
that it is wrong for this to be discussed as it has been, and that he
would prefer people to move on and discuss other issues.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 00:33:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am stating (not claiming) that you support pedop[hilia. You disgust me.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you now claiming that either Seymour or Trump is a pedophile? As
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Horseshit, avery word you wrote above.
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas
Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the
reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world
supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>media in New Zealand was biased!
More garbage from you as a defender of pedophiles.
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a
flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects
vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally,
they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have
different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for
donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
far as I am aware that is crazy either way!
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas
Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not
resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the
reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world
supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned
media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a
flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects
vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally,
they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for
themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have
different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for
donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support
organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different
nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being
worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends >>Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to
the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist
article, focused on this.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 00:31:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is just nonsense. You are supporting pedophilia. You are disgusting.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:57:04 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>>wrote:What is truly sad is that there are creatures like you that support this >>>person
On 2/04/25 17:09, Rich80105 wrote:
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus'). >>>>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556828/threats-against-mp-benjamin-doyle-referred-to-police-greens
"Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters drew attention to Doyle's private >>>>>Instagram account on Saturday, asking what the handle 'BibleBeltBussy' >>>>>meant.
The term "bussy" is used by some members of the rainbow community to >>>>>refer to a man's anus."
Try this: >>>>https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/anatomy-of-a-scandal-green-mp-benjamin-doyles-case-explained/SI3DQ4LWCBGDXEIJCKIMMMJ5PA/
It is sad that The Herald appears to be using their paywall to prevent >>>>information about a dishonest personal attack from being made public - >>>>but they know that their audience expects their political support for >>>>the Right - even when that support requires dishonesty, >>>>misinterpretation and lack of journalist ethics . . .
and their use of disgusting words. Also, their apparent support of pedophilia.
I am with the Free Speech Union who say quite reasonably that people
should be able to express themselves, but the dishonest personal
attack was from Winston Peters, and that is what a recent post above
refers to. Winston was being very careful in only, technically, asking >>questions, while as you infer using disgusting words - on this issue I
do not support Winston Peters at all - he is merely fanning flames lit
by the far right, based on images saved from a private Instagram
account that has now been deleted because of the mis-interpretations
being attributed to it. Jordan Williams is reported as having said
that it is wrong for this to be discussed as it has been, and that he
would prefer people to move on and discuss other issues.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 00:33:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am stating (not claiming) that you support pedop[hilia. You disgust me.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you now claiming that either Seymour or Trump is a pedophile? As
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:Horseshit, avery word you wrote above.
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
More garbage from you as a defender of pedophiles.
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a
flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects
vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally,
they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
far as I am aware that is crazy either way!
Off topic gone.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 03:08:23 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be more obtuse than usual. You are well aware of the truth here, and you continue to support the filth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 00:31:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is just nonsense. You are supporting pedophilia. You are disgusting.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:57:04 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>wrote:What is truly sad is that there are creatures like you that support this >>>>person
On 2/04/25 17:09, Rich80105 wrote:
The word Bussy has one and only one meaning.A child's term for an omnibus (now more commonly termed just a 'bus'). >>>>>>>
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/556828/threats-against-mp-benjamin-doyle-referred-to-police-greens
"Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters drew attention to Doyle's private >>>>>>Instagram account on Saturday, asking what the handle 'BibleBeltBussy' >>>>>>meant.
The term "bussy" is used by some members of the rainbow community to >>>>>>refer to a man's anus."
Try this: >>>>>https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/anatomy-of-a-scandal-green-mp-benjamin-doyles-case-explained/SI3DQ4LWCBGDXEIJCKIMMMJ5PA/
It is sad that The Herald appears to be using their paywall to prevent >>>>>information about a dishonest personal attack from being made public - >>>>>but they know that their audience expects their political support for >>>>>the Right - even when that support requires dishonesty, >>>>>misinterpretation and lack of journalist ethics . . .
and their use of disgusting words. Also, their apparent support of >>>>pedophilia.
I am with the Free Speech Union who say quite reasonably that people >>>should be able to express themselves, but the dishonest personal
attack was from Winston Peters, and that is what a recent post above >>>refers to. Winston was being very careful in only, technically, asking >>>questions, while as you infer using disgusting words - on this issue I
do not support Winston Peters at all - he is merely fanning flames lit
by the far right, based on images saved from a private Instagram
account that has now been deleted because of the mis-interpretations >>>being attributed to it. Jordan Williams is reported as having said
that it is wrong for this to be discussed as it has been, and that he >>>would prefer people to move on and discuss other issues.
I am not a "kiddy fiddler" nor do I know anyone that could be so
described. What pedophilia are you referring to?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 03:10:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 00:33:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am stating (not claiming) that you support pedop[hilia. You disgust me.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Are you now claiming that either Seymour or Trump is a pedophile? As
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:Horseshit, avery word you wrote above.
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
More garbage from you as a defender of pedophiles.
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is >>>>>a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
far as I am aware that is crazy either way!
As Jordan Williams said in one of the links I gave: "Can we PLEASE
stop with this nonsense about the Greens and get back to issues that
matter? Like school lunches."
Off topic gone.
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to support somebody that it refers to.
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas
Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the
reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world
supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a
flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects
vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally,
they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have
different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for
donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to
the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist
article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and
the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than
innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible
assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their
scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for
example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority
groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are
you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss?
Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it
may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences.ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why don't you care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem,
perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on
a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian"
habits?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to >support somebody that it refers to.
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a
flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects
vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally,
they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to
the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist
article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and
the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than
innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their
scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for
example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority
groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are
you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss?
Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it
may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences.ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why don't you
If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem,
perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on
a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian"
habits?
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:12:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyAre you really that inept?> Oh, apparently so.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to >>support somebody that it refers to.
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is >>>>>a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU.
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to >>>>the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist
article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and
the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than >>>innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their >>>scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for >>>example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority >>>groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are
you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss?
Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it
may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences.ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why don't >>you
If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem,
perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on
a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian"
habits?
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
Perhaps you could ask Crash what he meant by the Subject of the
thread. I am not a "kiddy fiddler", whatever you mean by that
expression, but there is as much evidence that you are a "kiddy
fiddler" as there is that Doyle is a kiddy fiddler, Tony.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash started two sub-threads, but you are correct, BR started the
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:12:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyAre you really that inept?> Oh, apparently so.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to >>>support somebody that it refers to.
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is >>>>>>a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU. >>>>>>
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to >>>>>the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist >>>>>article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and
the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than >>>>innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>>>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>>>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their >>>>scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for >>>>example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority >>>>groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>>>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are
you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss? >>>>Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>>>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it
may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences.ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why don't >>>you
If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem,
perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on >>>>a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian" >>>>habits?
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
Perhaps you could ask Crash what he meant by the Subject of the
thread. I am not a "kiddy fiddler", whatever you mean by that
expression, but there is as much evidence that you are a "kiddy
fiddler" as there is that Doyle is a kiddy fiddler, Tony.
Crash did not start this thread.
Your support of Doyle says nothing about me but volumes about you.
Suck it up!
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 19:21:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have made no rules, that would be yourself.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash started two sub-threads, but you are correct, BR started the
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:12:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyAre you really that inept?> Oh, apparently so.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to >>>>support somebody that it refers to.
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is >>>>>>>a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU. >>>>>>>
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to >>>>>>the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>>>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist >>>>>>article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and >>>>>the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than >>>>>innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>>>>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>>>>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their >>>>>scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for >>>>>example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority >>>>>groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>>>>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are >>>>>you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss? >>>>>Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>>>>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it >>>>>may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences.ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why don't >>>>you
If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem, >>>>>perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on >>>>>a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian" >>>>>habits?
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
Perhaps you could ask Crash what he meant by the Subject of the
thread. I am not a "kiddy fiddler", whatever you mean by that
expression, but there is as much evidence that you are a "kiddy
fiddler" as there is that Doyle is a kiddy fiddler, Tony.
Crash did not start this thread.
original thread. Importantly, given your silly self-made rules
, it wasHe asked me nothing. He was talking to pedophiles and people like you who support them.
not you, so you should think about what BR was asking you in the
subject of the thread . . .
Your support of Doyle says nothing about me but volumes about you.
Suck it up!
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No pedophile has been identified - if you have evidence of someone
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 19:21:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have made no rules, that would be yourself.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash started two sub-threads, but you are correct, BR started the
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:12:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyAre you really that inept?> Oh, apparently so.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why don't
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would >>>>>>>>>>have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>>>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is >>>>>>>>a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU. >>>>>>>>
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>>>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to >>>>>>>the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>>>>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist >>>>>>>article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and >>>>>>the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than >>>>>>innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>>>>>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>>>>>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their >>>>>>scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for >>>>>>example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority >>>>>>groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>>>>>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are >>>>>>you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss? >>>>>>Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>>>>>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it >>>>>>may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also >>>>>I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to >>>>>support somebody that it refers to.
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences.
If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem, >>>>>>perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on >>>>>>a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian" >>>>>>habits?
you
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
Perhaps you could ask Crash what he meant by the Subject of the
thread. I am not a "kiddy fiddler", whatever you mean by that >>>>expression, but there is as much evidence that you are a "kiddy >>>>fiddler" as there is that Doyle is a kiddy fiddler, Tony.
Crash did not start this thread.
original thread. Importantly, given your silly self-made rules
, it wasHe asked me nothing. He was talking to pedophiles and people like you who >support them.
not you, so you should think about what BR was asking you in the
subject of the thread . . .
I have not supported Doyle - I believe however that every member ofOff topic.
Your support of Doyle says nothing about me but volumes about you.
Suck it up!
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 23:44:23 -0000 (UTC), TonyGee you are a child, that sort of argument is about your level of maturity.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No pedophile has been identified - if you have evidence of someone
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 19:21:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have made no rules, that would be yourself.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash started two sub-threads, but you are correct, BR started the >>>original thread. Importantly, given your silly self-made rules
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Are you really that inept?> Oh, apparently so.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why >>>>>>don't
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would
have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of >>>>>>>>>speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is >>>>>>>>>a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU. >>>>>>>>>
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>>>>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to >>>>>>>>the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>>>>>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist >>>>>>>>article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and >>>>>>>the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than >>>>>>>innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>>>>>>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>>>>>>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their >>>>>>>scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for >>>>>>>example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority >>>>>>>groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>>>>>>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are >>>>>>>you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss? >>>>>>>Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>>>>>>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it >>>>>>>may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also >>>>>>I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to >>>>>>support somebody that it refers to.
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences.
If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem, >>>>>>>perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on >>>>>>>a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian" >>>>>>>habits?
you
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
Perhaps you could ask Crash what he meant by the Subject of the >>>>>thread. I am not a "kiddy fiddler", whatever you mean by that >>>>>expression, but there is as much evidence that you are a "kiddy >>>>>fiddler" as there is that Doyle is a kiddy fiddler, Tony.
Crash did not start this thread.
, it wasHe asked me nothing. He was talking to pedophiles and people like you who >>support them.
not you, so you should think about what BR was asking you in the
subject of the thread . . .
being a pedophile you should take your evidence to the police. Or are
you saying that you are the pedophile, Tony?
Yes you have.I have not supported DoyleOff topic.
Your support of Doyle says nothing about me but volumes about you.
Suck it up!
- I believe however that every member ofAbuse removed.
parliament deserves our respect unless confirmed evidence indicates
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 23:44:23 -0000 (UTC), TonyGee you are a child, that sort of argument is about your level of maturity. >You are doing the pedophilia support, not me. Period.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No pedophile has been identified - if you have evidence of someone
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 19:21:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have made no rules, that would be yourself.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash started two sub-threads, but you are correct, BR started the >>>>original thread. Importantly, given your silly self-made rules
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Are you really that inept?> Oh, apparently so.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:ACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why >>>>>>>don't
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party would
have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>>>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>>>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>>>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>>>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>>>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of
speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>>>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>>>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>>>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>>>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>>>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>>>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is >>>>>>>>>>a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>>>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>>>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>>>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU. >>>>>>>>>>
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>>>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being >>>>>>>>>>worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>>>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>>>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to >>>>>>>>>the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>>>>>>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist >>>>>>>>>article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and >>>>>>>>the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than >>>>>>>>innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>>>>>>>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>>>>>>>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their >>>>>>>>scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for >>>>>>>>example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority >>>>>>>>groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>>>>>>>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are >>>>>>>>you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss? >>>>>>>>Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>>>>>>>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it >>>>>>>>may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also >>>>>>>I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want to >>>>>>>support somebody that it refers to.
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences. >>>>>>>> If the
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem, >>>>>>>>perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on >>>>>>>>a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian" >>>>>>>>habits?
you
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
Perhaps you could ask Crash what he meant by the Subject of the >>>>>>thread. I am not a "kiddy fiddler", whatever you mean by that >>>>>>expression, but there is as much evidence that you are a "kiddy >>>>>>fiddler" as there is that Doyle is a kiddy fiddler, Tony.
Crash did not start this thread.
, it wasHe asked me nothing. He was talking to pedophiles and people like you who >>>support them.
not you, so you should think about what BR was asking you in the >>>>subject of the thread . . .
being a pedophile you should take your evidence to the police. Or are
you saying that you are the pedophile, Tony?
Yes you have.
I have not supported DoyleOff topic.
Your support of Doyle says nothing about me but volumes about you. >>>>>Suck it up!
- I believe however that every member ofAbuse removed.
parliament deserves our respect unless confirmed evidence indicates
On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 02:55:18 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse removed
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 23:44:23 -0000 (UTC), TonyGee you are a child, that sort of argument is about your level of maturity. >>You are doing the pedophilia support, not me. Period.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No pedophile has been identified - if you have evidence of someone
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 19:21:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I have made no rules, that would be yourself.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash started two sub-threads, but you are correct, BR started the >>>>>original thread. Importantly, given your silly self-made rules
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Are you really that inept?> Oh, apparently so.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:26:19 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:support somebody that it refers to.
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:20:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 09:12:02 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Apr 2025 18:19:09 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
...and you want to pursue a career in politics, the Green party >>>>>>>>>>>>>would
have to be the obvious choice.
Bill.
Interesting article on the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/2b4cavp2
Of course "The Centrist" is supporting another part of the Atlas >>>>>>>>>>>Network linked media - that is what it is there for! They could not >>>>>>>>>>>resist including an irrelevant comment about Posie Parker and the >>>>>>>>>>>reality that much of the privately -owned media around the world >>>>>>>>>>>supports far-right parties; and using that to claim that state-owned >>>>>>>>>>>media in New Zealand was biased!
For a different viewpoint. see https://www.fsu.nz/
"Human beings cannot flourish unless they are free
We protect, expand, and fight for New Zealanders’ rights to freedom >>>>>>>>>>>of
speech, conscience, and intellectual inquiry. We envision a >>>>>>>>>>>flourishing New Zealand civil society that values and protects >>>>>>>>>>>vigorous debate, dissenting ideas, and freedom of speech as cultural >>>>>>>>>>>cornerstones."
So where do they stand on the issue of an old post on this Member of >>>>>>>>>>>Parliament's social media - apparently about his son? Naturally, >>>>>>>>>>>they are silent - they are there to defend Freedom of Speech for >>>>>>>>>>>themselves and their supporters, not for political opponents. This is
a good example of "The Network" having many facets - they have >>>>>>>>>>>different outlets for ensuring a "return on capital invested" for >>>>>>>>>>>donors to either the ACT party directly, or to their support >>>>>>>>>>>organisations, which include the Taxpayers Union as well as the FSU. >>>>>>>>>>>
It can't be easy at times, but when the philosophy of the different >>>>>>>>>>>nutter groups conflicts, they can always fall back on the money being
worth it . . . See https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482 >>>>>>>>>>>https://x.com/JordNZ/status/1906792338732847482
but then not everything goes as supporters may wish: >>>>>>>>>>>https://x.com/search?q=%22Liberation%20Day%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Seymour will not want to go quite as far as Trump
Interesting Rich - but none of what you have said is in reference to >>>>>>>>>>the antics that Benjamin Doyle is alleged to have got up to - and the >>>>>>>>>>reaction of the NZ MSM. Both BR in their OP, and the Centrist >>>>>>>>>>article, focused on this.
Allegations are relatively easy; evidence appears to be absent, and >>>>>>>>>the allegations themselves appear to consist of little more than >>>>>>>>>innuendo. As has been said, if there is any crime let the police >>>>>>>>>investigate; at this stage there do not appear to be any credible >>>>>>>>>assertions that would justify the police allocating time from their >>>>>>>>>scarce resources - they have increased ram raids to deal with for >>>>>>>>>example. Benjamin Doyle appears to have contacts with some minority >>>>>>>>>groups that may well have a "language" that may not be well understood >>>>>>>>>outside that group or groups.
Fact-free innuendo can be particularly nasty - just what antics are >>>>>>>>>you referring to? Having his child on his knee and giving him a kiss? >>>>>>>>>Or, like Winston Peters, are you not prepared to make any specific >>>>>>>>>allegations for fear of being sued? Tony clearly believes that it >>>>>>>>>may involve a kiddy-fiddler - but whatever he means by that he also >>>>>>>>I have not used the phrase you seem to enjoy, but you do seem to want >>>>>>>>to
appears to be coy about exposing himself to legal consequences. >>>>>>>>> If theACT and NZ First are concerned about children that may be abused, why >>>>>>>>don't
far right nutters making the attacks cannot identify a problem, >>>>>>>>>perhaps they have nothing and are just making an unwarranted attack on >>>>>>>>>a political opponent - are ACT and NZ First taking on "Trumpian" >>>>>>>>>habits?
you
care about that? There could be many reasons. Which applies?
Perhaps you could ask Crash what he meant by the Subject of the >>>>>>>thread. I am not a "kiddy fiddler", whatever you mean by that >>>>>>>expression, but there is as much evidence that you are a "kiddy >>>>>>>fiddler" as there is that Doyle is a kiddy fiddler, Tony.
Crash did not start this thread.
, it wasHe asked me nothing. He was talking to pedophiles and people like you who >>>>support them.
not you, so you should think about what BR was asking you in the >>>>>subject of the thread . . .
being a pedophile you should take your evidence to the police. Or are
you saying that you are the pedophile, Tony?
Yes you have.
I have not supported DoyleOff topic.
Your support of Doyle says nothing about me but volumes about you. >>>>>>Suck it up!
- I believe however that every member ofAbuse removed.
parliament deserves our respect unless confirmed evidence indicates
I suspect you are embarrassed because those that are making the
accusations (and that includes you, Tony)
- in realityFirst of all, You are a liar. You are supporting Doyle and yet you claim otherwise - you are lying
you are condoning libel and slander.
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