On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM.
Here is why. >>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked
to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a fewAs usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could
initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would
fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political
opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information
suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any
complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now
has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not
ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two
links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien,
who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to
have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may
have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams
to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric -
sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the
Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made
regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to
assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and
subsequent conviction).
Ian Wishart nails it. >https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM.
Here is why. >https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article >and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM.
Here is why. >>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked
to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few
items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could
initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political
opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information
suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any
complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now
has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not
ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two
links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien,
who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to
have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may
have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams
to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric -
sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the
Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made
regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to
assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and
subsequent conviction).
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions don't
exist.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM.
Here is why. >>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked
to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few
items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIs he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need answering. I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have identified the same question.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article >>and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>Here is why. >>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked
to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few
items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could
initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information
suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any
complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now
has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not
ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien,
who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to
have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams
to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric -
sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the
Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made
regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>subsequent conviction).
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>don't
exist.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody who has to deal with you.Get a life.I have a good one thanks
So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 19:07:34 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM.
Here is why. >>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked
to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few
items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
Isn't it enough that he boasted and joked abut anal intercourse with a
child? There was a time not that long ago when such proclivities from
an MP would have made headline news.
If such a post came from a from National, Act or NZ First MP it would
have been headline news, and he would be broomed out of the party
before you could say "filthy pervert".
Bill.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:it is also possible that you would be offended if that question was
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIs he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need answering. I suspect that you do not have an answer to that question, Tony, but
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>Here is why. >>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams
to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric -
sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made
regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>don't
exist.
I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have >identified the same question.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody who >has to deal with you.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:57:12 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhiich does not invalidate it. It is a real and appropriate question under the circumstances.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I suspect that you do not have an answer to that question, Tony,
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIs he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need >>answering.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either >>>>article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>>don't
exist.
butI would not be offended, I know I am not a pedophile. Would you be offended? Irrelevant off topic shit gone.
it is also possible that you would be offended if that question was
asked about you.
There are plenty of psychiatrists and psychologists who have studied >pedophilia, without themselves having such feelings themselves.Do you have such feelings? Are you a pedophile?
Certainly for those that have such feelings there is no reason to
believe that those feelings are acted upon; for all I know you may
yourself have such an interest but that does not suggest that you
would have acted on those feelings.
I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have >>identified the same question.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody who >>has to deal with you.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article >>and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>Here is why. >>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked
to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few
items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could
initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information
suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any
complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now
has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not
ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien,
who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to
have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams
to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric -
sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the
Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made
regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>subsequent conviction).
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions don't
exist.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:57:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I suspect that you do not have an answer to that question, Tony, but
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIs he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need answering.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>>don't
exist.
it is also possible that you would be offended if that question was
asked about you.
My wife enjoys light romance and murder mysteries - I
do not for a moment think that this makes it more likely that she
would be unfaithful or commit murder.
Plenty of people have at some
stage of their life enjoyed looking at some level of pornography -
whether that be when they are in adolescence or later - that does not
however mean that if you have watched an explicit sex video or
pictures that you should or could be prosecuted for the offences
committed by Brierley . . .
There are plenty of psychiatrists and psychologists who have studied pedophilia, without themselves having such feelings themselves.
Certainly for those that have such feelings there is no reason to
believe that those feelings are acted upon; for all I know you may
yourself have such an interest but that does not suggest that you
would have acted on those feelings.
So my answer to your question is that I do not know, just as I do not
know whether you are a pedophile. I am not accusing you of being one
you understand; just as I am not accusing any member of parliament, or
any police officer dealing with crimes by people who are a pedophile
of being one.
Now it is possible that you some evidence other than a wild partisan obsession - if you have any facts, then I urge you to tell the police
- this is not the forum for such information.
I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have >>identified the same question.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody who >>has to deal with you.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:57:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I suspect that you do not have an answer to that question, Tony, but
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIs he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need answering.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>>>don't
exist.
it is also possible that you would be offended if that question was
asked about you.
My wife enjoys light romance and murder mysteries - I
do not for a moment think that this makes it more likely that she
would be unfaithful or commit murder.
The difference is that this is entertainment. It is assumed that the reader >knows this is in their imagination only.
Plenty of people have at some
stage of their life enjoyed looking at some level of pornography -
whether that be when they are in adolescence or later - that does not
however mean that if you have watched an explicit sex video or
pictures that you should or could be prosecuted for the offences
committed by Brierley . . .
Once again, as long as if it is *not* child porn then it is two, or more >consulting adults. A very different situation of a father using his son for >his own pleasure.
So back to the questions, why were the photos deleted and What the reference >to the child as a sex object?
There are plenty of psychiatrists and psychologists who have studied
pedophilia, without themselves having such feelings themselves.
Certainly for those that have such feelings there is no reason to
believe that those feelings are acted upon; for all I know you may
yourself have such an interest but that does not suggest that you
would have acted on those feelings.
So my answer to your question is that I do not know, just as I do not
know whether you are a pedophile. I am not accusing you of being one
you understand; just as I am not accusing any member of parliament, or
any police officer dealing with crimes by people who are a pedophile
of being one.
Now it is possible that you some evidence other than a wild partisan
obsession - if you have any facts, then I urge you to tell the police
- this is not the forum for such information.
I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have >>>identified the same question.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody who >>>has to deal with you.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On 7 Apr 2025 00:35:54 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:There you are, the idiot emerges. This thread and the subject matter have nothing to do with death threats.
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course it does, and I am confident that the police will have acted >promptly as regards all information given to it, either through the
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either >>>>article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>>don't
exist.
Try reading the link, or Ian Wishart's piece which Tony linked to at the >>start of this thread.
Society is very much against child abuse and molestation. It is even worse >>if a parent is doing the abusing.
This case has raised concerns which need to be looked into.
media or directly.
The sad irony is that if the postings had not been done in the first place >>we would probably not have known about it.What is it that we know, Gordon?
We have not been told of anything that justifies prosecution, or
whether any information other than the social media posts have been
given to police.
Nobody is prepared to say that they have provided any information; and
some have been careful to point out that they do not have any
information.
From the Wishart article:
"For the sake of clarity, I am not saying Doyle “is” anything more
than a political buffoon whose social media posts make him unfit to
hold child portfolios in my opinion. I’m not saying that Doyle “is” a >pedophile. I am saying however that in my view the smoke threshold on
this story has reached the point where you send in a fire crew to
check."
Is that all there is?
The second article gave little further information but talked about
death threats directed to Doyle - again we do not know if they have
been referred to police, but there has been no further information.
Are you saying death threats should be ignored?
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On 7 Apr 2025 00:51:57 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What a stupid question. The police obviously know about it and we will learn in due course whether they are able to prosecute. Meanwhile keep peddling your stupidity.
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:57:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I suspect that you do not have an answer to that question, Tony, but
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Is he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need >>>>answering.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either >>>>>>article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>>>>don't
exist.
it is also possible that you would be offended if that question was
asked about you.
My wife enjoys light romance and murder mysteries - I
do not for a moment think that this makes it more likely that she
would be unfaithful or commit murder.
The difference is that this is entertainment. It is assumed that the reader >>knows this is in their imagination only.
Plenty of people have at some
stage of their life enjoyed looking at some level of pornography -
whether that be when they are in adolescence or later - that does not
however mean that if you have watched an explicit sex video or
pictures that you should or could be prosecuted for the offences
committed by Brierley . . .
Once again, as long as if it is *not* child porn then it is two, or more >>consulting adults. A very different situation of a father using his son for >>his own pleasure.
So back to the questions, why were the photos deleted and What the reference >>to the child as a sex object?
I do not know what photos were deleted (for all we know those
circulated may have been separately AI generated by whoever made them >public); we do not know if they were deleted, and the Free Speech
Union would support anyone being able to say what they want including >withdrawing from public social media, for the protection of themselves
or others from just this sort of publication with wild speculation. Do
you believe no-one should be allowed to delete social media posts
without it being seen as an admission of some sort of guilt for
anything anyone wants to attribute to them?
Why do you want to know anyway? If you have concerns and any useful or >credible information, why not refer that to the police?
There are plenty of psychiatrists and psychologists who have studied
pedophilia, without themselves having such feelings themselves.
Certainly for those that have such feelings there is no reason to
believe that those feelings are acted upon; for all I know you may
yourself have such an interest but that does not suggest that you
would have acted on those feelings.
So my answer to your question is that I do not know, just as I do not
know whether you are a pedophile. I am not accusing you of being one
you understand; just as I am not accusing any member of parliament, or
any police officer dealing with crimes by people who are a pedophile
of being one.
Now it is possible that you some evidence other than a wild partisan
obsession - if you have any facts, then I urge you to tell the police
- this is not the forum for such information.
I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have >>>>identified the same question.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody >>>>who
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
has to deal with you.
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course it does, and I am confident that the police will have acted
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either article
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>Here is why. >>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it
is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams
to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric -
sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made
regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions don't
exist.
Try reading the link, or Ian Wishart's piece which Tony linked to at the >start of this thread.
Society is very much against child abuse and molestation. It is even worse
if a parent is doing the abusing.
This case has raised concerns which need to be looked into.
The sad irony is that if the postings had not been done in the first placeWhat is it that we know, Gordon?
we would probably not have known about it.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2025 00:51:57 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What a stupid question. The police obviously know about it and we will learn in
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:57:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I suspect that you do not have an answer to that question, Tony, but
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Is he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need >>>>>answering.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either >>>>>>>article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences. >>>>>>>>
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions
don't
exist.
it is also possible that you would be offended if that question was
asked about you.
My wife enjoys light romance and murder mysteries - I
do not for a moment think that this makes it more likely that she
would be unfaithful or commit murder.
The difference is that this is entertainment. It is assumed that the reader >>>knows this is in their imagination only.
Plenty of people have at some
stage of their life enjoyed looking at some level of pornography -
whether that be when they are in adolescence or later - that does not
however mean that if you have watched an explicit sex video or
pictures that you should or could be prosecuted for the offences
committed by Brierley . . .
Once again, as long as if it is *not* child porn then it is two, or more >>>consulting adults. A very different situation of a father using his son for >>>his own pleasure.
So back to the questions, why were the photos deleted and What the reference >>>to the child as a sex object?
I do not know what photos were deleted (for all we know those
circulated may have been separately AI generated by whoever made them >>public); we do not know if they were deleted, and the Free Speech
Union would support anyone being able to say what they want including >>withdrawing from public social media, for the protection of themselves
or others from just this sort of publication with wild speculation. Do
you believe no-one should be allowed to delete social media posts
without it being seen as an admission of some sort of guilt for
anything anyone wants to attribute to them?
Why do you want to know anyway? If you have concerns and any useful or >>credible information, why not refer that to the police?
due course whether they are able to prosecute. Meanwhile keep peddling your >stupidity.
There are plenty of psychiatrists and psychologists who have studied
pedophilia, without themselves having such feelings themselves.
Certainly for those that have such feelings there is no reason to
believe that those feelings are acted upon; for all I know you may
yourself have such an interest but that does not suggest that you
would have acted on those feelings.
So my answer to your question is that I do not know, just as I do not
know whether you are a pedophile. I am not accusing you of being one
you understand; just as I am not accusing any member of parliament, or >>>> any police officer dealing with crimes by people who are a pedophile
of being one.
Now it is possible that you some evidence other than a wild partisan
obsession - if you have any facts, then I urge you to tell the police
- this is not the forum for such information.
I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have >>>>>identified the same question.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody >>>>>who
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
has to deal with you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2025 00:35:54 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:There you are, the idiot emerges. This thread and the subject matter have >nothing to do with death threats.
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course it does, and I am confident that the police will have acted >>promptly as regards all information given to it, either through the
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either >>>>>article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>>>don't
exist.
Try reading the link, or Ian Wishart's piece which Tony linked to at the >>>start of this thread.
Society is very much against child abuse and molestation. It is even worse >>>if a parent is doing the abusing.
This case has raised concerns which need to be looked into.
media or directly.
The sad irony is that if the postings had not been done in the first place >>>we would probably not have known about it.What is it that we know, Gordon?
We have not been told of anything that justifies prosecution, or
whether any information other than the social media posts have been
given to police.
Nobody is prepared to say that they have provided any information; and
some have been careful to point out that they do not have any
information.
From the Wishart article:
"For the sake of clarity, I am not saying Doyle “is” anything more
than a political buffoon whose social media posts make him unfit to
hold child portfolios in my opinion. I’m not saying that Doyle “is” a >>pedophile. I am saying however that in my view the smoke threshold on
this story has reached the point where you send in a fire crew to
check."
Is that all there is?
The second article gave little further information but talked about
death threats directed to Doyle - again we do not know if they have
been referred to police, but there has been no further information.
Are you saying death threats should be ignored?
You are just doing what the other idiots, the Greens, did, and try to divert >the subject.
Death threats are unacceptable but have nothing to do with whether someone is a
pedophile or not.
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 01:48:16 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is nonsense. You are grasping at invisible straws, as usual.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2025 00:35:54 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:There you are, the idiot emerges. This thread and the subject matter have >>nothing to do with death threats.
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course it does, and I am confident that the police will have acted >>>promptly as regards all information given to it, either through the
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either >>>>>>article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences.
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those questions >>>>>>don't
exist.
Try reading the link, or Ian Wishart's piece which Tony linked to at the >>>>start of this thread.
Society is very much against child abuse and molestation. It is even worse >>>>if a parent is doing the abusing.
This case has raised concerns which need to be looked into.
media or directly.
The sad irony is that if the postings had not been done in the first place >>>>we would probably not have known about it.What is it that we know, Gordon?
We have not been told of anything that justifies prosecution, or
whether any information other than the social media posts have been
given to police.
Nobody is prepared to say that they have provided any information; and >>>some have been careful to point out that they do not have any >>>information.
From the Wishart article:
"For the sake of clarity, I am not saying Doyle “is” anything more
than a political buffoon whose social media posts make him unfit to
hold child portfolios in my opinion. I’m not saying that Doyle “is” a >>>pedophile. I am saying however that in my view the smoke threshold on >>>this story has reached the point where you send in a fire crew to
check."
Is that all there is?
The second article gave little further information but talked about
death threats directed to Doyle - again we do not know if they have
been referred to police, but there has been no further information.
Are you saying death threats should be ignored?
You are just doing what the other idiots, the Greens, did, and try to divert >>the subject.
Death threats are unacceptable but have nothing to do with whether someone is >>a
pedophile or not.
In case we forget, that article was put into the thread by the OP - by
your rules it is therefore very much on topic. According to that
article, the threats had everything to do with some people believing
the accusations implicit in the actions reported in both articles - >scurrilous accusations without proof are not anything that the
"Centrist" should have been prepared to publish . . .
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 01:50:47 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat is your measured IQ, do let me know if it rises above 80 on a really good day.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2025 00:51:57 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What a stupid question. The police obviously know about it and we will learn >>in
On 2025-04-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:57:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I suspect that you do not have an answer to that question, Tony, but >>>>> it is also possible that you would be offended if that question was
On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Is he a pedophile? That is a boomer of a question and one that need >>>>>>answering.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So tell us one question to be answered, Tony . . .
On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 19:58:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:As usual, you have completely failed to address the content of either >>>>>>>>article
Ian Wishart nails it. >>>>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/open-letter-to-nz-media-on-green-mp-benjamin-doyle/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
The police and others need to react and we need to abandon the MSM. >>>>>>>>>>Here is why. >>>>>>>>>>https://centrist.nz/legacy-media-just-destroyed-itself-says-mccoskrie/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2-4-2025&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg
There have been reports, but for those that only read websites linked >>>>>>>>>to the Atlas Network it can be easy to miss them. See: >>>>>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/greens-and-nz-first-clash-sparks-fears-of-dirty-campaign-for-election-the-front-page/3UQT2YFQCJEF5E6NT2WFOIHUHE/
It has been all over social media, and there have been quite a few >>>>>>>>>items on Radio New Zealand, and probably other newspapers.
Unless something happens there is not much to report - at present it >>>>>>>>>is just innuendo and attacks based on lifestyle differences - and most >>>>>>>>>parties have supporters that have different sexual preferences. >>>>>>>>>
The police will be aware of the media attention, and they could >>>>>>>>>initiate an investigation if they wished, but to show an offence would >>>>>>>>>fairly clearly need additional information - slurs from political >>>>>>>>>opponents are not enough! I have not heard of any information >>>>>>>>>suggesting an offence has been committed - are you aware of any >>>>>>>>>complaint or additional information suggesting any offence having been >>>>>>>>>provided to the police, Tony? This is an area where the ACT party now >>>>>>>>>has some expertise; is there any reason why David Seymour has not >>>>>>>>>ensured that action is taken on an investigation? As well as the two >>>>>>>>>links above many first heard about this accusation from Ami O'Brien, >>>>>>>>>who comes from a digital marketing background but is rumoured not to >>>>>>>>>have been the first to identify this political opportunity - that may >>>>>>>>>have been through Cameron Slater.
That link to "Dirty Tricks" may have been enough for Jordan Williams >>>>>>>>>to suggest that it is time it got dropped in political rhetoric - >>>>>>>>>sorry I don't have a link for that, but as Ani O'Brien is on the >>>>>>>>>Council of the Free Speech Union it is likely that they be aware of >>>>>>>>>statements each other made, and of the comparisons being made >>>>>>>>>regarding this shadowy innuendo and the actions of ACT in trying to >>>>>>>>>assist their party chairman avoid publicity for his offence (and >>>>>>>>>subsequent conviction).
and wasted bandwidth on nonsensical political rhetoric.
There are questions to be answered and you are pretending those >>>>>>>>questions
don't
exist.
asked about you.
My wife enjoys light romance and murder mysteries - I
do not for a moment think that this makes it more likely that she
would be unfaithful or commit murder.
The difference is that this is entertainment. It is assumed that the reader >>>>knows this is in their imagination only.
Plenty of people have at some
stage of their life enjoyed looking at some level of pornography -
whether that be when they are in adolescence or later - that does not >>>>> however mean that if you have watched an explicit sex video or
pictures that you should or could be prosecuted for the offences
committed by Brierley . . .
Once again, as long as if it is *not* child porn then it is two, or more >>>>consulting adults. A very different situation of a father using his son for >>>>his own pleasure.
So back to the questions, why were the photos deleted and What the reference
to the child as a sex object?
I do not know what photos were deleted (for all we know those
circulated may have been separately AI generated by whoever made them >>>public); we do not know if they were deleted, and the Free Speech
Union would support anyone being able to say what they want including >>>withdrawing from public social media, for the protection of themselves
or others from just this sort of publication with wild speculation. Do >>>you believe no-one should be allowed to delete social media posts
without it being seen as an admission of some sort of guilt for
anything anyone wants to attribute to them?
Why do you want to know anyway? If you have concerns and any useful or >>>credible information, why not refer that to the police?
due course whether they are able to prosecute. Meanwhile keep peddling your >>stupidity.
So you are saying that the articles on "The Centrist" were scurrilous >muck-raking based on no knowledge as to whether any concerns had any >credibility . . . Why should we believe anything the muck-raking
website says?
There are plenty of psychiatrists and psychologists who have studied >>>>> pedophilia, without themselves having such feelings themselves.
Certainly for those that have such feelings there is no reason to
believe that those feelings are acted upon; for all I know you may
yourself have such an interest but that does not suggest that you
would have acted on those feelings.
So my answer to your question is that I do not know, just as I do not >>>>> know whether you are a pedophile. I am not accusing you of being one >>>>> you understand; just as I am not accusing any member of parliament, or >>>>> any police officer dealing with crimes by people who are a pedophile >>>>> of being one.
Now it is possible that you some evidence other than a wild partisan >>>>> obsession - if you have any facts, then I urge you to tell the police >>>>> - this is not the forum for such information.
I note that you don't care whether he is or not otherwise you would have >>>>>>identified the same question.
You are deluded if you think your life is good, I feel sorry for anybody >>>>>>who
Get a life.I have a good one thanks
has to deal with you.
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