• Is It Peters Or Luxon =?UTF-8?B?V2hv4oCZcw==?= Overreacting?

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 13 07:36:18 2025
    There seems to be a difference of opinion between Winston Peters and Christopher Luxon over what to do about Trump’s increasingly erratic trade policy. Luxon is gearing up to try to weather a “trade war” by strengthening new alliances around the CPTPP and so on, while Peters seems
    to want to give the Orange One the benefit of the (rapidly-shrinking)
    doubt over the impression he’s giving of wanting to totally tear up long- standing trade relations (not to mention political ones).

    Who do you think is right? I think Peters is increasingly painting himself
    into a corner.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Mon Apr 14 12:25:19 2025
    On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 07:36:18 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    There seems to be a difference of opinion between Winston Peters and >Christopher Luxon over what to do about Trumps increasingly erratic trade >policy. Luxon is gearing up to try to weather a trade war by
    strengthening new alliances around the CPTPP and so on, while Peters seems
    to want to give the Orange One the benefit of the (rapidly-shrinking)
    doubt over the impression hes giving of wanting to totally tear up long- >standing trade relations (not to mention political ones).

    Who do you think is right? I think Peters is increasingly painting himself >into a corner.

    Peters is planting himself right where he wants to be - as Deputy
    Prime Minister with a will to exert more power than David Seymour.
    Peters merely wanted to follow advice from Foreign Affairs, which is
    not to stick our head up into cross-fire. As it turns out, Trump is
    already having to back-track on many of the outrageous proposals, but
    he will remember those countries that made the biggest fuss - that
    counts as public criticism in his eyes. Apparently Luxon did not even
    consult with the Department before publicly having discussions! The
    aims that you describe for Luxon may well have been right - he
    probably thought it was an opportunity to be seen to be doing
    something as a World Leader but - the normal order is ready, aim, fire
    - Luxon was forgetting the first two steps and did not appear to have identified a target.

    Peters is widely regarded as being very difficult in a coalition, but
    he does, partly from years of experience including a previous term as
    foreign minister, know quite a lot about that job, and about world
    diplomacy - he is reputed to listen carefully to Foreign Affairs - a
    welcome change from his attitudes to practically anything else.

    So I think you may have Luxon and Peters the wrong way around - albeit
    that Peters is at fault for not having made sure that Luxon did get
    briefings, and personally checking that Luxon did not ''go off on his
    own in the way he did.

    For sure both Labour and National will be hoping that Peters does not
    get back into a position to decide the government, and both would
    prefer not to have him in a coalition. Seymour is however likely to be
    needed by National to form a government - but many in National have
    less time for him than for Peters. Peters is now 80, and we have
    seen the effect of old age on both Biden (born 1942) and Trump (born
    1946). Winston was born in 1945; his problem is that he has no
    credible successor so vanity may make him stand for another term, but
    that may destroy NZ First . . .

    (Note my newsreader would not accept this reply without a change to
    the Subject)

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  • From Ralph Fox@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 14 16:40:51 2025
    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:25:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

    Note my newsreader would not accept this reply without a change to
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    I am using the same newsreader as you. This newsreader does accept the original
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    Most likely your news SERVER eternal-september would not accept the original subject
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    Ralph Fox

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 14 16:49:17 2025
    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 16:40:51 +1200, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:25:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

    Note my newsreader would not accept this reply without a change to
    the Subject


    I am using the same newsreader as you. This newsreader does accept the original
    subject -- as shown in my reply.


    Most likely your news SERVER eternal-september would not accept the original subject
    from you, because:

    1) The subject contains a non-ASCII character (the 'curly' apostrophe); BUT

    2) Your own newsreader settings do not have a check-mark in "MIME Headers" for Usenet.
    screen-shot: <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=28_pdlovj__agent_setting__mime_headers_for_usenet.png>

    Thanks Ralph - Change made!

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 14 05:42:12 2025
    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:25:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

    As it turns out, Trump is already having to back-track on many of the outrageous proposals, but he will remember those countries that made the biggest fuss - that counts as public criticism in his eyes.

    Luxon didn’t make a “fuss” though, did he. He just recognized the reality of the situation and proposed a path forward, nothing more.

    Are you one of those who thinks they need to tiptoe gingerly around the
    Orange One to avoid hurting his feelings?

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