• Politically motivated . . .

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 10:14:47 2025
    https://archive.is/FpYdn

    So this is how Ani O'Brien and others, including Winston Peters, see
    political differences being resolved . . .

    The Free Speech Union exists to legitimise verbal attacks, other
    organisations exist to feed discontent, blame on other parties, and
    fear of “others“ - they tasted success with Jacinda Ardern, and are
    now applying their Dirty Tricks to the Green Party and Te Pati Maori.

    Such are the anti-science, pro big company profit parties - and
    meanwhile they vilify politicians who want New Zealanders to have
    enough to live, a place to live, and acceptance of differences.

    ACT yet again prove themselves to be scum at a personal level in
    condoning and encouraging this nastiness. Luxon ignores it, while
    Winston has decided to fan the flames. We are headed in the wrong
    direction - Time for a change.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 17 12:02:06 2025
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://archive.is/FpYdn

    So this is how Ani O'Brien and others, including Winston Peters, see >political differences being resolved . . .

    The Free Speech Union exists to legitimise verbal attacks, other >organisations exist to feed discontent, blame on other parties, and
    fear of “others“ - they tasted success with Jacinda Ardern, and are
    now applying their Dirty Tricks to the Green Party and Te Pati Maori.

    Such are the anti-science, pro big company profit parties - and
    meanwhile they vilify politicians who want New Zealanders to have
    enough to live, a place to live, and acceptance of differences.

    ACT yet again prove themselves to be scum at a personal level in
    condoning and encouraging this nastiness. Luxon ignores it, while
    Winston has decided to fan the flames. We are headed in the wrong
    direction - Time for a change.

    Yet another example of the baseless rhetoric you indulge in. I agree
    that Doyle faces unacceptable threats of violence but this is not
    surprising given the circumstances and it is to be expected that
    appropriate protection will be provided.

    This is simply what happens to MPs. If you cannot stand the heat then Parliament is not for you.

    The rest of your post is a disgraceful attempt to link Doyle's
    suffering to political organisations that you oppose. Shame on you -
    your shallow logic is exposed and not for the first time.

    However I do agree with you that it is indeed time for a change at the
    next election.

    Maori should reject the extremism of the current Maori Party MPs and
    elect MPs that can work with parties that lead a government. Labour
    should return to its centre-left traditions and refresh its leadership accordingly. The Greens should return to their environmental roots or
    change their name to the Watermelons. Winston should retire at or
    before the election to ensure a graceful exit on his terms. NZF will
    not survive Winston's retirement. National and ACT should be the
    Government because of newfound courageous leadership and the fact that
    Labour is not yet ready to form a government without an extremist
    minority partner.

    Oh yes - it is indeed time for change, Rich.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Apr 17 04:45:43 2025
    On 2025-04-17, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://archive.is/FpYdn

    So this is how Ani O'Brien and others, including Winston Peters, see >>political differences being resolved . . .

    The Free Speech Union exists to legitimise verbal attacks, other >>organisations exist to feed discontent, blame on other parties, and
    fear of “others“ - they tasted success with Jacinda Ardern, and are
    now applying their Dirty Tricks to the Green Party and Te Pati Maori.

    Such are the anti-science, pro big company profit parties - and
    meanwhile they vilify politicians who want New Zealanders to have
    enough to live, a place to live, and acceptance of differences.

    ACT yet again prove themselves to be scum at a personal level in
    condoning and encouraging this nastiness. Luxon ignores it, while
    Winston has decided to fan the flames. We are headed in the wrong
    direction - Time for a change.

    Yet another example of the baseless rhetoric you indulge in. I agree
    that Doyle faces unacceptable threats of violence but this is not
    surprising given the circumstances and it is to be expected that
    appropriate protection will be provided.

    This is simply what happens to MPs. If you cannot stand the heat then Parliament is not for you.

    The rest of your post is a disgraceful attempt to link Doyle's
    suffering to political organisations that you oppose. Shame on you -
    your shallow logic is exposed and not for the first time.

    However I do agree with you that it is indeed time for a change at the
    next election.

    Maori should reject the extremism of the current Maori Party MPs and
    elect MPs that can work with parties that lead a government. Labour
    should return to its centre-left traditions and refresh its leadership accordingly. The Greens should return to their environmental roots or
    change their name to the Watermelons. Winston should retire at or
    before the election to ensure a graceful exit on his terms. NZF will
    not survive Winston's retirement. National and ACT should be the
    Government because of newfound courageous leadership and the fact that
    Labour is not yet ready to form a government without an extremist
    minority partner.

    Oh yes - it is indeed time for change, Rich.

    Nice one Crash!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Apr 26 14:53:41 2025
    On 17 Apr 2025 04:45:43 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-04-17, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://archive.is/FpYdn

    So this is how Ani O'Brien and others, including Winston Peters, see >>>political differences being resolved . . .

    The Free Speech Union exists to legitimise verbal attacks, other >>>organisations exist to feed discontent, blame on other parties, and
    fear of ?others? - they tasted success with Jacinda Ardern, and are
    now applying their Dirty Tricks to the Green Party and Te Pati Maori.

    Such are the anti-science, pro big company profit parties - and
    meanwhile they vilify politicians who want New Zealanders to have
    enough to live, a place to live, and acceptance of differences.

    ACT yet again prove themselves to be scum at a personal level in >>>condoning and encouraging this nastiness. Luxon ignores it, while
    Winston has decided to fan the flames. We are headed in the wrong >>>direction - Time for a change.

    Yet another example of the baseless rhetoric you indulge in. I agree
    that Doyle faces unacceptable threats of violence but this is not
    surprising given the circumstances and it is to be expected that
    appropriate protection will be provided.

    This is simply what happens to MPs. If you cannot stand the heat then
    Parliament is not for you.

    The rest of your post is a disgraceful attempt to link Doyle's
    suffering to political organisations that you oppose. Shame on you -
    your shallow logic is exposed and not for the first time.

    However I do agree with you that it is indeed time for a change at the
    next election.

    Maori should reject the extremism of the current Maori Party MPs and
    elect MPs that can work with parties that lead a government.
    They showed that they could work with all parties other than ACT in a
    recent vote in the house. I suspect they have just as hard a job wit
    the next anti-Treaty Bill ACT is putting forward - sadly National have
    not yet indicated that they will reject another racist anti-Treaty
    bill.

    Labour
    should return to its centre-left traditions and refresh its leadership
    accordingly.
    No need - they are still showing more leadership than there is in the government parties.

    The Greens should return to their environmental roots or
    change their name to the Watermelons.
    The Green Party is not a single issue party - ACT, National and NZ
    First have each displayed their lack of support for policies to
    prepare us for the future - the difference is that the government
    parties want to loot for their donors now, the opposition parties are
    united in preparing all of New Zealand for the future.

    Winston should retire at or
    before the election to ensure a graceful exit on his terms. NZF will
    not survive Winston's retirement.
    I agree - he has done reasonably well with straight-forward foreign
    affairs visits, and is likely to do better than Nicola Willis with the
    ferry purchase; where he will try to delay letting us know the full
    cost until after the next election, but he has lost credibility on
    other issues, and I believe NZ First will disappear after the election

    National and ACT should be the
    Government because of newfound courageous leadership and the fact that
    Labour is not yet ready to form a government without an extremist
    minority partner.
    Courageous leadership? Where? Health was botched and is now their
    biggest failure in virtually every respect. Willis is being kept out
    of the public eye as much as possible; they have no credible
    replacement. Bishop has gone quiet again hoping to do better when
    Luxon goes, and Luxon is staying out of the country as much as he can
    - better to bore other politicians than New Zealanders. Extremist
    minority partner - that describes ACT very well, and they are an
    advantage for Labour - National will have nowhere else to support them
    but a party that has led government by the nose to a loss at the next
    election.


    Oh yes - it is indeed time for change, Rich.

    Nice one Crash!
    Yes he did his best on a number of issues, but the only agreement he
    will get from most people is that it is time for a change of
    government.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 26 03:03:59 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 17 Apr 2025 04:45:43 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-04-17, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 10:14:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://archive.is/FpYdn

    So this is how Ani O'Brien and others, including Winston Peters, see >>>>political differences being resolved . . .

    The Free Speech Union exists to legitimise verbal attacks, other >>>>organisations exist to feed discontent, blame on other parties, and >>>>fear of ?others? - they tasted success with Jacinda Ardern, and are >>>>now applying their Dirty Tricks to the Green Party and Te Pati Maori.

    Such are the anti-science, pro big company profit parties - and >>>>meanwhile they vilify politicians who want New Zealanders to have >>>>enough to live, a place to live, and acceptance of differences.

    ACT yet again prove themselves to be scum at a personal level in >>>>condoning and encouraging this nastiness. Luxon ignores it, while >>>>Winston has decided to fan the flames. We are headed in the wrong >>>>direction - Time for a change.

    Yet another example of the baseless rhetoric you indulge in. I agree
    that Doyle faces unacceptable threats of violence but this is not
    surprising given the circumstances and it is to be expected that
    appropriate protection will be provided.

    This is simply what happens to MPs. If you cannot stand the heat then
    Parliament is not for you.

    The rest of your post is a disgraceful attempt to link Doyle's
    suffering to political organisations that you oppose. Shame on you -
    your shallow logic is exposed and not for the first time.

    However I do agree with you that it is indeed time for a change at the
    next election.

    Maori should reject the extremism of the current Maori Party MPs and
    elect MPs that can work with parties that lead a government.
    They showed that they could work with all parties other than ACT in a
    recent vote in the house. I suspect they have just as hard a job wit
    the next anti-Treaty Bill ACT is putting forward - sadly National have
    not yet indicated that they will reject another racist anti-Treaty
    bill.
    Wrong, they would do that obviously if such a bill is ever proposed.. Fortunately they have not had to make that decision to date.

    Labour
    should return to its centre-left traditions and refresh its leadership
    accordingly.
    No need - they are still showing more leadership than there is in the >government parties.
    Good joke, your leave of absence has helped your humour.

    The Greens should return to their environmental roots or
    change their name to the Watermelons.
    The Green Party is not a single issue party - ACT, National and NZ
    First have each displayed their lack of support for policies to
    prepare us for the future - the difference is that the government
    parties want to loot for their donors now, the opposition parties are
    united in preparing all of New Zealand for the future.
    Another good joke, wow two in one post.

    Winston should retire at or
    before the election to ensure a graceful exit on his terms. NZF will
    not survive Winston's retirement.
    I agree - he has done reasonably well with straight-forward foreign
    affairs visits, and is likely to do better than Nicola Willis with the
    ferry purchase; where he will try to delay letting us know the full
    cost until after the next election, but he has lost credibility on
    other issues, and I believe NZ First will disappear after the election

    National and ACT should be the
    Government because of newfound courageous leadership and the fact that
    Labour is not yet ready to form a government without an extremist
    minority partner.
    Courageous leadership? Where? Health was botched and is now their
    biggest failure in virtually every respect. Willis is being kept out
    of the public eye as much as possible; they have no credible
    replacement. Bishop has gone quiet again hoping to do better when
    Luxon goes, and Luxon is staying out of the country as much as he can
    - better to bore other politicians than New Zealanders. Extremist
    minority partner - that describes ACT very well, and they are an
    advantage for Labour - National will have nowhere else to support them
    but a party that has led government by the nose to a loss at the next >election.
    Firstly a couple of jokes and now your dreams.


    Oh yes - it is indeed time for change, Rich.

    Nice one Crash!
    Yes he did his best on a number of issues, but the only agreement he
    will get from most people is that it is time for a change of
    government.
    More humour.

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