• Australia shows the way

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 4 12:30:30 2025
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of
    Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well,
    with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon
    who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour -
    the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to
    become our Deputy Prime Minister!

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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun May 4 14:48:35 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of
    Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well,
    with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon
    who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour -
    the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to
    become our Deputy Prime Minister!

    Yes Australia shows the way to Abbo co-gevernace. Albo has already
    said he's going to do a voice 2 referendum after the last one didn't
    go his way. By the time the next election comes around it will be
    too late for Australia to get back to normal and the same will
    applies to NZ if the last lost ever get back in again.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun May 4 02:24:12 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of
    Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well,
    with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon
    who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour -
    the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to
    become our Deputy Prime Minister!
    You are deluded. Seymour is nowhere near Trump in any way. In fact you resemble Trump intellectually and morally more than any of our center politicians but not quite as close as TPM are to Trump.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 4 02:32:04 2025
    Brazil, Canada, now Australia. (Possibly Poland counts as well.)

    Meanwhile, our centre-right coalition has some clearly Trump-leaning parts
    and some not. So our own checks and balances are still working, after a fashion.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 18:10:20 2025
    On Sun, 04 May 2025 14:48:35 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of
    Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well,
    with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon
    who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour -
    the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to
    become our Deputy Prime Minister!

    Yes Australia shows the way to Abbo co-gevernace. Albo has already
    said he's going to do a voice 2 referendum after the last one didn't
    go his way. By the time the next election comes around it will be
    too late for Australia to get back to normal and the same will
    applies to NZ if the last lost ever get back in again.

    What suggests any move towards "co-gevernace", Mutley?

    Certainly Australia has not shown the way for New Zealand in relation
    to their treatment of indigenous Australians, and their history of
    racism and racial prejudice over many years. The election this year
    was not however based on those issues - it rejected the stance being
    taken by our government, and policies that appeared to be based on
    Trump and Atlas Network prejudices; their treatment of aboriginal and
    Torres Islanders was not a significant election issue.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue May 6 00:27:22 2025
    On 2025-05-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 04 May 2025 14:48:35 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of >>>Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well,
    with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon
    who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour -
    the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to >>>become our Deputy Prime Minister!

    Yes Australia shows the way to Abbo co-gevernace. Albo has already
    said he's going to do a voice 2 referendum after the last one didn't
    go his way. By the time the next election comes around it will be
    too late for Australia to get back to normal and the same will
    applies to NZ if the last lost ever get back in again.

    What suggests any move towards "co-gevernace", Mutley?

    Certainly Australia has not shown the way for New Zealand in relation
    to their treatment of indigenous Australians, and their history of
    racism and racial prejudice over many years.

    Like the treatment of the Maori, not a very 21st century.


    The election this year
    was not however based on those issues - it rejected the stance being
    taken by our government, and policies that appeared to be based on
    Trump and Atlas Network prejudices; their treatment of aboriginal and
    Torres Islanders was not a significant election issue.

    Well many Oz folks express the view that Dutton gave no alternative to
    Labour, the the Liberals were a "weak" Labour so why vote for them.

    A bit like NZ having no opposition from a decade or so back.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue May 6 16:20:15 2025
    On 6 May 2025 00:27:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-05-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 04 May 2025 14:48:35 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of >>>>Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well, >>>>with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon >>>>who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour -
    the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to >>>>become our Deputy Prime Minister!

    Yes Australia shows the way to Abbo co-gevernace. Albo has already >>>said he's going to do a voice 2 referendum after the last one didn't
    go his way. By the time the next election comes around it will be
    too late for Australia to get back to normal and the same will >>>applies to NZ if the last lost ever get back in again.

    What suggests any move towards "co-gevernace", Mutley?

    Certainly Australia has not shown the way for New Zealand in relation
    to their treatment of indigenous Australians, and their history of
    racism and racial prejudice over many years.

    Like the treatment of the Maori, not a very 21st century.
    Not clear what you are saying here . . .



    The election this year
    was not however based on those issues - it rejected the stance being
    taken by our government, and policies that appeared to be based on
    Trump and Atlas Network prejudices; their treatment of aboriginal and
    Torres Islanders was not a significant election issue.

    Well many Oz folks express the view that Dutton gave no alternative to >Labour, the the Liberals were a "weak" Labour so why vote for them.
    Yes, there have been comments that Dutton was a major reason for the
    loss by the Liberal Party - he was not clear about policies, but that
    was highlighted by his borrowing attitudes expressed by Trump, and in
    respect of "Back on Track", a discredited slogan from New Zealand.
    Australians are aware of the number of New Zealanders moving to
    Australia; they do not want the sort of policies being implemented by
    either the USA or NZ governments. So I agree with your comment; it is
    one of a number of ways of expressing the preference for Albanese over
    Dutton.


    A bit like NZ having no opposition from a decade or so back.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue May 6 04:48:10 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6 May 2025 00:27:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-05-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 04 May 2025 14:48:35 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of >>>>>Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well, >>>>>with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon >>>>>who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour - >>>>>the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to >>>>>become our Deputy Prime Minister!

    Yes Australia shows the way to Abbo co-gevernace. Albo has already >>>>said he's going to do a voice 2 referendum after the last one didn't >>>>go his way. By the time the next election comes around it will be >>>>too late for Australia to get back to normal and the same will >>>>applies to NZ if the last lost ever get back in again.

    What suggests any move towards "co-gevernace", Mutley?

    Certainly Australia has not shown the way for New Zealand in relation
    to their treatment of indigenous Australians, and their history of
    racism and racial prejudice over many years.

    Like the treatment of the Maori, not a very 21st century.
    Not clear what you are saying here . . .



    The election this year
    was not however based on those issues - it rejected the stance being
    taken by our government, and policies that appeared to be based on
    Trump and Atlas Network prejudices; their treatment of aboriginal and
    Torres Islanders was not a significant election issue.

    Well many Oz folks express the view that Dutton gave no alternative to >>Labour, the the Liberals were a "weak" Labour so why vote for them.
    Yes, there have been comments that Dutton was a major reason for the
    loss by the Liberal Party - he was not clear about policies, but that
    was highlighted by his borrowing attitudes expressed by Trump, and in
    respect of "Back on Track", a discredited slogan from New Zealand. >Australians are aware of the number of New Zealanders moving to
    Australia; they do not want the sort of policies being implemented by
    either the USA or NZ governments.
    Nonsense, that is not what happened.
    So I agree with your comment; it is
    one of a number of ways of expressing the preference for Albanese over >Dutton.


    A bit like NZ having no opposition from a decade or so back.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue May 6 17:39:35 2025
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 04:48:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6 May 2025 00:27:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-05-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 04 May 2025 14:48:35 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of >>>>>>Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well, >>>>>>with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon >>>>>>who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour - >>>>>>the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to >>>>>>become our Deputy Prime Minister!

    Yes Australia shows the way to Abbo co-gevernace. Albo has already >>>>>said he's going to do a voice 2 referendum after the last one didn't >>>>>go his way. By the time the next election comes around it will be >>>>>too late for Australia to get back to normal and the same will >>>>>applies to NZ if the last lost ever get back in again.

    What suggests any move towards "co-gevernace", Mutley?

    Certainly Australia has not shown the way for New Zealand in relation
    to their treatment of indigenous Australians, and their history of
    racism and racial prejudice over many years.

    Like the treatment of the Maori, not a very 21st century.
    Not clear what you are saying here . . .



    The election this year
    was not however based on those issues - it rejected the stance being
    taken by our government, and policies that appeared to be based on
    Trump and Atlas Network prejudices; their treatment of aboriginal and
    Torres Islanders was not a significant election issue.

    Well many Oz folks express the view that Dutton gave no alternative to >>>Labour, the the Liberals were a "weak" Labour so why vote for them.
    Yes, there have been comments that Dutton was a major reason for the
    loss by the Liberal Party - he was not clear about policies, but that
    was highlighted by his borrowing attitudes expressed by Trump, and in >>respect of "Back on Track", a discredited slogan from New Zealand. >>Australians are aware of the number of New Zealanders moving to
    Australia; they do not want the sort of policies being implemented by >>either the USA or NZ governments.
    Nonsense, that is not what happened.
    What other reasons do you think contributed to the rejection of the
    Liberal / Country coalition in Australia, Tony? Certainly there was
    quite a bit of comment when a Liberal Party politician wore a "Make
    Australia Great Again" hat . . .

    So I agree with your comment; it is
    one of a number of ways of expressing the preference for Albanese over >>Dutton.


    A bit like NZ having no opposition from a decade or so back.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue May 6 07:15:12 2025
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 May 2025 04:48:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6 May 2025 00:27:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-05-05, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 04 May 2025 14:48:35 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal-election-2025-results
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559831/australia-election-live-updates-anthony-albanese-emerges-on-top-as-peter-dutton-concedes
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/559833/australian-election-voters-reject-peter-dutton-s-vision-giving-labor-a-remarkable-victory-and-liberals-a-difficult-future

    This follows the Canadian Election, and is seen as a rejection of >>>>>>>Trumpism, but there was a possible reference to New Zealand as well, >>>>>>>with his slogan of "Back on Track" - thoroughly discredited by Luxon >>>>>>>who cannot articulate what he means by it as he is led by Seymour - >>>>>>>the closest politician we have to Trump policies, but also about to >>>>>>>become our Deputy Prime Minister!

    Yes Australia shows the way to Abbo co-gevernace. Albo has already >>>>>>said he's going to do a voice 2 referendum after the last one didn't >>>>>>go his way. By the time the next election comes around it will be >>>>>>too late for Australia to get back to normal and the same will >>>>>>applies to NZ if the last lost ever get back in again.

    What suggests any move towards "co-gevernace", Mutley?

    Certainly Australia has not shown the way for New Zealand in relation >>>>> to their treatment of indigenous Australians, and their history of
    racism and racial prejudice over many years.

    Like the treatment of the Maori, not a very 21st century.
    Not clear what you are saying here . . .



    The election this year
    was not however based on those issues - it rejected the stance being >>>>> taken by our government, and policies that appeared to be based on
    Trump and Atlas Network prejudices; their treatment of aboriginal and >>>>> Torres Islanders was not a significant election issue.

    Well many Oz folks express the view that Dutton gave no alternative to >>>>Labour, the the Liberals were a "weak" Labour so why vote for them.
    Yes, there have been comments that Dutton was a major reason for the
    loss by the Liberal Party - he was not clear about policies, but that
    was highlighted by his borrowing attitudes expressed by Trump, and in >>>respect of "Back on Track", a discredited slogan from New Zealand. >>>Australians are aware of the number of New Zealanders moving to >>>Australia; they do not want the sort of policies being implemented by >>>either the USA or NZ governments.
    Nonsense, that is not what happened.
    What other reasons do you think contributed to the rejection of the
    Liberal / Country coalition in Australia, Tony? Certainly there was
    quite a bit of comment when a Liberal Party politician wore a "Make
    Australia Great Again" hat . . .
    If I wished to discuss that I would start my own thread, I was referring to your posts.

    So I agree with your comment; it is
    one of a number of ways of expressing the preference for Albanese over >>>Dutton.


    A bit like NZ having no opposition from a decade or so back.


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