https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/
and >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden
...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have
the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope
you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the
many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in
the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism,
really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts
your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it
speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand
for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for
the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children.
I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my
community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many
threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my
children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me
complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go
without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly,
but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone
who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly.
It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of
night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for
engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of
democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is
cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a
political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down
apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in
society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think
tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to
unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent
decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you
are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of
what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily
dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to
see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood
will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard
people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the
ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola
Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not
about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth
that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we
do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready
to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce
grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come
home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters.
Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved.
It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/
and >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have
the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope
you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the
many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in
the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism,
really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts
your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for
the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children.
I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my
children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me
complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go
without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly,
but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone
who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly.
It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of
night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for
engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of
democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down
apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think
tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to
unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent
decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you
are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of
what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to
see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood
will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the
ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not
about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth
that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we
do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready
to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce
grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come
home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters.
Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved.
It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party
government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at
least.
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>It is important for fair minded folk to compare different governments. So in that spirit, I would sooner have this government than the last simply because unlike the Labour led one this government is not trying to force co-governance and is not embarked on a racially driven government by minority. This one is also fiscally more prudent.
wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>and >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have
the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope
you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the
many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for
the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children.
I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me
complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone
who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly.
It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of
democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent
decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you
are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of
what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to
see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the
ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not
about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth
that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we
do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready
to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved.
It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party
government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at
least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay
equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like
getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep
wages and salaries low?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What is clear is that the Minister is trying to "fudge" the process of
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:It is important for fair minded folk to compare different governments. So in >that spirit, I would sooner have this government than the last simply because >unlike the Labour led one this government is not trying to force co-governance >and is not embarked on a racially driven government by minority. This one is >also fiscally more prudent.
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>and >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope
you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for
the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me
complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly.
It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent
decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of
what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to
see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not
about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved.
It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay
equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like
getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep
wages and salaries low?
On Fri, 9 May 2025 02:08:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyNonsense. >https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/remuneration-process/evaluation-roles
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What is clear is that the Minister is trying to "fudge" the process of
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:It is important for fair minded folk to compare different governments. So in >>that spirit, I would sooner have this government than the last simply because >>unlike the Labour led one this government is not trying to force >>co-governance
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>>and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope >>>>>you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for >>>>>the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me >>>>>complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly. >>>>>It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent >>>>>decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of >>>>>what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to >>>>>see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not >>>>>about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved. >>>>>It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay
equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like >>>getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep >>>wages and salaries low?
and is not embarked on a racially driven government by minority. This one is >>also fiscally more prudent.
job evaluation to restrict comparisons. The method used for evaluating
pay for members of parliament and many other groups of workers is set
out here:
and is an established method that has been used in New Zealand and inNonsense, pure conjecture.
many other countries to compare different jobs, with a view to
assessing appropriate earnings levels. The government is imposing
limits on comparisons to try and reduce the amount of pay - and they
are confidant that by skewing the system they will save billions of
dollars - that is that their aim is to reduce earnings for large
sectors of the economy, while leaving market forces to set earnings
for other groups.
All of this is being done of course because the Minister of FinanceNonsense. No evidence.
has botched some large issues - first they have to find about $4
billion to cover increased costs of the ferries through the
cancellation of an order debacle. They are trying to stretch that out
until after the next election, but that may not be possible - already
there has been an announcement that one of four ferries will have to
be withdrawn from service before another is available. Second the tax
cuts for landlords have been more expensive than they estimated.
Thirdly the costs for fixing water problems are too much for some
Councils who have already reached lending limits - but the government
is trying to hide that one as well as they know they cannot stay clear
of helping with some funding. Then there is the money they are
gifting two banks by interfering in a court case by changing the law - >another $4 billion? All this while tax receipts are in trouble
through businesses closing (particularly in the building and retain
sectors), unemployment is up about 52,000 since they came into office,
with many others reporting lower hours of working, and many local
businesses failing. And now they want to double defence spending in
less than two years - but don't seem to know what they want. A
replacement ship was already needed for the one that sunk, but they
are buying drones and helicopters!
Then they are having problems in recruiting essential staff in a few
sectors - care workers are running low, - perhaps they will abandon
the aged as well ... see >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
Then ACT used a proposed social media bill to emphasise that Luxon hasNonsense.
not a clue about parliamentary rules - or perhaps that should just be
that Luxon has not a clue. . . but then they told us that they were
making unannounced changes to keep pay rises for women down . . .
employers must be rewarded by keeping wages low - National does not
believe in market forces . . .
So fair-minded folk just see the government wading into letting theIn your dreams. Just another extreme left wing rant, worthless and a waste of time.
market work, and favouring their mates - leaving supporting a
Labour-led government more and more attractive . . .
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>and >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have
the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope
you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the
many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for
the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children.
I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me
complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone
who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly.
It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of
democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent
decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you
are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of
what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to
see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the
ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not
about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth
that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we
do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready
to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved.
It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party
government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at
least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay
equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like
getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep
wages and salaries low?
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:50:13 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>The Herald is more National party oriented; The Centrist is a
wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>and >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope
you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for
the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me
complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly.
It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent
decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of
what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to
see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not
about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved.
It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay
equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like
getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep
wages and salaries low?
National are claiming that pay equity is still in place but are yet to >explain how this will be done now and how existing claims will be
handled. I suspect I will never read about this on Stuff or the
Herald, so will await an article in the Centrist.
ACT are a part of the current Government. You may not approve of them
Rich but you cannot deny that a Government that includes the Maori
Party (which will also mean no Bill is passed without their agreement)
will be way less stable.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is not clear whether you think it is nonsense because you do not
On Fri, 9 May 2025 02:08:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyNonsense. >>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/remuneration-process/evaluation-roles
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What is clear is that the Minister is trying to "fudge" the process of
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:It is important for fair minded folk to compare different governments. So in >>>that spirit, I would sooner have this government than the last simply because
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>>>and >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope >>>>>>you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for >>>>>>the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me >>>>>>complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly. >>>>>>It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent >>>>>>decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of >>>>>>what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to >>>>>>see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not >>>>>>about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved. >>>>>>It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the >>>>>Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay >>>>equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like >>>>getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep >>>>wages and salaries low?
unlike the Labour led one this government is not trying to force >>>co-governance
and is not embarked on a racially driven government by minority. This one is >>>also fiscally more prudent.
job evaluation to restrict comparisons. The method used for evaluating
pay for members of parliament and many other groups of workers is set
out here:
Nonsense, pure conjecture.
and is an established method that has been used in New Zealand and in
many other countries to compare different jobs, with a view to
assessing appropriate earnings levels. The government is imposing
limits on comparisons to try and reduce the amount of pay - and they
are confidant that by skewing the system they will save billions of
dollars - that is that their aim is to reduce earnings for large
sectors of the economy, while leaving market forces to set earnings
for other groups.
Nonsense. No evidence.
All of this is being done of course because the Minister of Finance
has botched some large issues - first they have to find about $4
billion to cover increased costs of the ferries through the
cancellation of an order debacle. They are trying to stretch that out
until after the next election, but that may not be possible - already
there has been an announcement that one of four ferries will have to
be withdrawn from service before another is available. Second the tax
cuts for landlords have been more expensive than they estimated.
Thirdly the costs for fixing water problems are too much for some
Councils who have already reached lending limits - but the government
is trying to hide that one as well as they know they cannot stay clear
of helping with some funding. Then there is the money they are
gifting two banks by interfering in a court case by changing the law - >>another $4 billion? All this while tax receipts are in trouble
through businesses closing (particularly in the building and retain >>sectors), unemployment is up about 52,000 since they came into office,
with many others reporting lower hours of working, and many local >>businesses failing. And now they want to double defence spending in
less than two years - but don't seem to know what they want. A
replacement ship was already needed for the one that sunk, but they
are buying drones and helicopters!
Nonsense.
Then they are having problems in recruiting essential staff in a few >>sectors - care workers are running low, - perhaps they will abandon
the aged as well ... see >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
Then ACT used a proposed social media bill to emphasise that Luxon has
not a clue about parliamentary rules - or perhaps that should just be
that Luxon has not a clue. . . but then they told us that they were
making unannounced changes to keep pay rises for women down . . .
employers must be rewarded by keeping wages low - National does not
believe in market forces . . .
I can understand your bitterness at the loss of support for theIn your dreams. Just another extreme left wing rant, worthless and a waste of >time.
So fair-minded folk just see the government wading into letting the
market work, and favouring their mates - leaving supporting a
Labour-led government more and more attractive . . .
On Sat, 10 May 2025 10:32:18 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>How sad for you that you cannot see what utter nonsense that is. You just hate people who are not left wing, it is an illness.
wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:50:13 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:The Herald is more National party oriented; The Centrist is a
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>>and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope >>>>>you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for >>>>>the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me >>>>>complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly. >>>>>It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent >>>>>decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of >>>>>what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to >>>>>see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not >>>>>about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved. >>>>>It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay
equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like >>>getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep >>>wages and salaries low?
National are claiming that pay equity is still in place but are yet to >>explain how this will be done now and how existing claims will be
handled. I suspect I will never read about this on Stuff or the
Herald, so will await an article in the Centrist.
carefully masked outlet for ACT propaganda; it fits in more with he
policies pushed by the NZ Initiative and the NZ Taxpayers Union, but >carefully hides who is doing the writing. May it give you comfort,
Crash, if not honesty and truth - there is little that is espoused
that represents the centre.
ACT are a part of the current Government. You may not approve of them
Rich but you cannot deny that a Government that includes the Maori
Party (which will also mean no Bill is passed without their agreement)
will be way less stable.
On Sat, 10 May 2025 10:32:18 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:50:13 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:The Herald is more National party oriented; The Centrist is a
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>>and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope >>>>>you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for >>>>>the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me >>>>>complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly. >>>>>It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent >>>>>decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of >>>>>what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to >>>>>see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not >>>>>about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved. >>>>>It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the
Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay
equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like >>>getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep >>>wages and salaries low?
National are claiming that pay equity is still in place but are yet to >>explain how this will be done now and how existing claims will be
handled. I suspect I will never read about this on Stuff or the
Herald, so will await an article in the Centrist.
carefully masked outlet for ACT propaganda; it fits in more with he
policies pushed by the NZ Initiative and the NZ Taxpayers Union, but >carefully hides who is doing the writing. May it give you comfort,
Crash, if not honesty and truth - there is little that is espoused
that represents the centre.
ACT are a part of the current Government. You may not approve of them
Rich but you cannot deny that a Government that includes the Maori
Party (which will also mean no Bill is passed without their agreement)
will be way less stable.
On Fri, 9 May 2025 20:20:06 -0000 (UTC), TonyNone of the above. Your post was nonsense.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is not clear whether you think it is nonsense because you do not >understand and are confused, or you just do not understand the
On Fri, 9 May 2025 02:08:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyNonsense. >>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/remuneration-process/evaluation-roles
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What is clear is that the Minister is trying to "fudge" the process of >>>job evaluation to restrict comparisons. The method used for evaluating >>>pay for members of parliament and many other groups of workers is set
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:It is important for fair minded folk to compare different governments. So >>>>in
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope >>>>>>>you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for >>>>>>>the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me >>>>>>>complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly. >>>>>>>It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent >>>>>>>decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of >>>>>>>what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to >>>>>>>see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not >>>>>>>about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved. >>>>>>>It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the >>>>>>Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>>>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>>>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay >>>>>equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like >>>>>getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep >>>>>wages and salaries low?
that spirit, I would sooner have this government than the last simply >>>>because
unlike the Labour led one this government is not trying to force >>>>co-governance
and is not embarked on a racially driven government by minority. This one >>>>is
also fiscally more prudent.
out here:
Nonsense, pure conjecture.
and is an established method that has been used in New Zealand and in >>>many other countries to compare different jobs, with a view to
assessing appropriate earnings levels. The government is imposing
limits on comparisons to try and reduce the amount of pay - and they
are confidant that by skewing the system they will save billions of >>>dollars - that is that their aim is to reduce earnings for large
sectors of the economy, while leaving market forces to set earnings
for other groups.
Nonsense. No evidence.
All of this is being done of course because the Minister of Finance
has botched some large issues - first they have to find about $4
billion to cover increased costs of the ferries through the
cancellation of an order debacle. They are trying to stretch that out >>>until after the next election, but that may not be possible - already >>>there has been an announcement that one of four ferries will have to
be withdrawn from service before another is available. Second the tax >>>cuts for landlords have been more expensive than they estimated.
Thirdly the costs for fixing water problems are too much for some >>>Councils who have already reached lending limits - but the government
is trying to hide that one as well as they know they cannot stay clear
of helping with some funding. Then there is the money they are
gifting two banks by interfering in a court case by changing the law - >>>another $4 billion? All this while tax receipts are in trouble
through businesses closing (particularly in the building and retain >>>sectors), unemployment is up about 52,000 since they came into office, >>>with many others reporting lower hours of working, and many local >>>businesses failing. And now they want to double defence spending in
less than two years - but don't seem to know what they want. A >>>replacement ship was already needed for the one that sunk, but they
are buying drones and helicopters!
Nonsense.
Then they are having problems in recruiting essential staff in a few >>>sectors - care workers are running low, - perhaps they will abandon
the aged as well ... see >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
Then ACT used a proposed social media bill to emphasise that Luxon has >>>not a clue about parliamentary rules - or perhaps that should just be >>>that Luxon has not a clue. . . but then they told us that they were >>>making unannounced changes to keep pay rises for women down . . . >>>employers must be rewarded by keeping wages low - National does not >>>believe in market forces . . .
priorities of ACTNat (NZ First are just erratic, but they want to
reward political donors as well)
Both ACT and National want to keep wage rises low because they gaveMore nonsense. Just an extreme left wing rant.
too much money to landlords through tax cuts; but the occupations they
are seeking to keep wages low are those where employers (including the >government) are finding it hard to gain enough staff. Already some
nurses and teachers are finding Australia more attractive, and also
nurses are finding private hospitals attractive through higher pay and
lower job stress - that suits ACT as they want to privatise our health
system to be more like that in the USA even more than National do.
I am not at all bitter. I have never been a supporter of National or any party which is why I am balaned unlike you.I can understand your bitterness at the loss of support for theIn your dreams. Just another extreme left wing rant, worthless and a waste of >>time.
So fair-minded folk just see the government wading into letting the >>>market work, and favouring their mates - leaving supporting a
Labour-led government more and more attractive . . .
government, Tony, but they do have another year to loot the country
before they get kicked out
On Sat, 10 May 2025 11:48:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>I don't think there is any poster to nz.general that I would regard as equivalent to a credible news reporting organisation - and the
wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2025 10:32:18 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Rich don't take this too personally - but if I was looking for
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:50:13 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:The Herald is more National party oriented; The Centrist is a
On Fri, 09 May 2025 13:09:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2025 12:00:49 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/national-grins-and-bears-it-as-act-notches-wins-in-parliament/
and also >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/08/unions-fear-pay-equity-regime-could-lock-out-all-future-claims/
and >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/09/anne-salmond-she-wont-be-right-mate/ >>>>>>and >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/08/29/pay-equity-experts-raised-red-flags-over-review/
and >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/07/acc-backtracks-on-race-based-tender-after-coalition-clash/
and an example of the anger of many:
Wrote This in Anger, Sent It in Truth – My Letter to Brooke van Velden >>>>>>...... I couldn't sleep from hurt and anger!
Dear Brooke van Velden,
It is hard to know how to begin this letter—not because I don’t have >>>>>>the words, but because I doubt you’ll ever read them. Still, I hope >>>>>>you do. Because I’m not writing just for myself. I’m writing for the >>>>>>many women who today feel betrayed, disillusioned, and yes, slapped in >>>>>>the face.
The Pay Equity Amendment Bill, passed 'under urgency'—a euphemism, >>>>>>really, for shutting the public out of democracy—hurts women. It hurts >>>>>>your kind. And yes, it hurts those of us who have marched, year after >>>>>>year—not for special treatment, as your party so often implies when it >>>>>>speaks of “fairness” and “equality,” but for something far simpler: >>>>>>recognition. Autonomy. Justice. The very things you claim to stand >>>>>>for—until they become inconvenient.
I am 57 years old. I have marched for equal pay. I have marched for >>>>>>the right to make decisions about my own body. I have raised children. >>>>>>I have spent a lifetime caring—not just for my family, but for my >>>>>>community. I understand that who I am is a tapestry woven from many >>>>>>threads: gender, privilege, experience, compassion.
And yes, I am privileged. I am white. I have a job. I can feed my >>>>>>children, send them to school with lunchboxes filled, pay for private >>>>>>healthcare if I need to. But that privilege doesn’t make me >>>>>>complacent. It makes me more determined to ensure others don’t go >>>>>>without.
Brooke, today I am incandescent—not with rage that lashes out blindly, >>>>>>but with the fire that comes from watching something precious being >>>>>>dismantled. And what’s worse, watching it being dismantled by someone >>>>>>who should know better. Someone who should feel the impact of that >>>>>>dismantling in her bones.
What makes it so much worse is this: the law was not debated openly. >>>>>>It was passed quietly—like something smuggled through in the dead of >>>>>>night. There was no space for public outcry. No invitation for >>>>>>engagement. No respect for one of the most basic principles of >>>>>>democracy: the right to be heard. That is not leadership. That is >>>>>>cowardice.
And I have to say it plainly: you are part of a cult. ACT is not a >>>>>>political movement in any true democratic sense. It is a top-down >>>>>>apparatus driven by ideology, not compassion. It does not believe in >>>>>>society, only in systems and individuals. It is fed by offshore think >>>>>>tanks like the Atlas Network, and it functions not to uplift, but to >>>>>>unpick the threads of a social fabric too many of us have spent >>>>>>decades trying to strengthen.
Brooke, you recommended this to Government. Your leader says that you >>>>>>are responsible for this suggestion. If that’s true, the weight of >>>>>>what you’ve done, and what you’ve been a part of, cannot be easily >>>>>>dismissed.
If that ever becomes clear to you—if the fog lifts and you begin to >>>>>>see the damage, to feel the human cost—then know this: the sisterhood >>>>>>will be here.
You have deeply hurt us. But unlike your colleagues, we do not discard >>>>>>people when they fail. We don’t abandon our own. Because we are the >>>>>>ones who carry. Who birth. Who bleed. Who nurture. We are furious with >>>>>>you—but we have not stopped seeing your humanity.
And please don’t feel singled out. I am also writing to Nicola >>>>>>Willis—because she, too, has let the sisterhood down. This is not >>>>>>about party lines or petty politics. It is about the enduring truth >>>>>>that women make up half this population, and when we are betrayed, we >>>>>>do not forget. And we do not go away. But when one of our own is ready >>>>>>to return—ready to reckon, ready to rebuild—we are here. With fierce >>>>>>grace. With open hands. We will be waiting when you are ready to come >>>>>>home.
But today? Today, we do not thank you.
Today, we grieve what has been taken from us—and from our daughters. >>>>>>Today, we remember that real strength is not about being unmoved. >>>>>>It’s about knowing when to change.
Carla
We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks and after the >>>>>Budget dust settles.
Just think what might happen if a Labour/Watermelons/Maori Party >>>>>government is formed. ACT and NZF are predictable and consistent at >>>>>least.
How else can you justify so many National Party MPs supporting pay >>>>equity claims and now changing their mind?
ACT are delighted that they are able to stop bills they do not like >>>>getting through, but will get support from National on a bill to keep >>>>wages and salaries low?
National are claiming that pay equity is still in place but are yet to >>>explain how this will be done now and how existing claims will be >>>handled. I suspect I will never read about this on Stuff or the
Herald, so will await an article in the Centrist.
carefully masked outlet for ACT propaganda; it fits in more with he >>policies pushed by the NZ Initiative and the NZ Taxpayers Union, but >>carefully hides who is doing the writing. May it give you comfort,
Crash, if not honesty and truth - there is little that is espoused
that represents the centre.
assistance in determining a credible news reporting organisation you
would not make the list.
ACT are a part of the current Government. You may not approve of them >>>Rich but you cannot deny that a Government that includes the Maori
Party (which will also mean no Bill is passed without their agreement) >>>will be way less stable.
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