• The Government has screwed up bigtime: insightfull Newsroom editorial c

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 11:50:21 2025
    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that
    it should be ashamed of.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From It's A Me@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu May 15 12:18:06 2025
    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that
    it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same -
    they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible
    wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 14:26:48 2025
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that
    it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same -
    they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business >management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible
    wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced
    by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP).
    National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 15:53:37 2025
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 14:26:48 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that
    it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same - >>they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business >>management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible >>wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced
    by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP). >National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    Thanks Crash - I had not seen that article. The theme of it being an
    "own goal" has been picked up in a few other articles. My guess is
    that National are very conscious of cost of the rail ferry disaster,
    and did the work on this bill hoping it would not have to be used, but
    then found they really needed it, even though it may lose them the
    next election. The level of 70% women required to bring a case
    forward again appears to have been carefully set - one of the larger
    groups has only 68% women . . . The timing also makes this an issue
    for the next election. . .

    This article gives a different perspective: https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360683636/sir-ian-taylor-rushed-legislation-forgotten-women-and-triumphant-return-word-pillock?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From It's A Me@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu May 15 18:20:41 2025
    On 2025-05-15 02:26:48 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that
    it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same -
    they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business
    management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible
    wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    As long as the PC idiocy does get binned, who cares how or why it gets there.



    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced
    by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP). National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    All politicians do whatever they want when they want. Always have,
    always will. They don't really give a flying crap about the public. All
    they want is to fill their own pockets, the on-going perks (even after
    leaving Parliament!!), and potentially get their names in the history
    books.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 19:52:06 2025
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:20:41 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-05-15 02:26:48 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that >>>> it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same -
    they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business
    management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible
    wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    As long as the PC idiocy does get binned, who cares how or why it gets there.



    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced
    by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP).
    National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    All politicians do whatever they want when they want.

    That's a ridiculous assertion in NZ. While Governments can initiate
    anything, they are held to account for it at election time, sometimes
    before that.

    Always have,
    always will. They don't really give a flying crap about the public. All
    they want is to fill their own pockets, the on-going perks (even after >leaving Parliament!!), and potentially get their names in the history
    books.

    They suffer the consequences through the various opinion polls
    published each month or so, and this directly affects their party
    fundraising levels.

    Pollies do get well remunerated but if it is as lucrative as you say
    let me know when you get on the list or are an electorate candidate.
    Then let me know how it went through an election campaign and if you
    made it into Parliament. Let me know whether the effort was worth the
    filthy lucre you will now get.

    Talk is cheap.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From It's A Me@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu May 15 20:03:44 2025
    On 2025-05-15 07:52:06 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:20:41 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-15 02:26:48 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that >>>>> it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same - >>>> they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business >>>> management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible >>>> wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    As long as the PC idiocy does get binned, who cares how or why it gets there.



    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced
    by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP).
    National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    All politicians do whatever they want when they want.

    That's a ridiculous assertion in NZ. While Governments can initiate anything, they are held to account for it at election time, sometimes
    before that.

    They might well get voted out at the next election, but it doesn't stop
    them doing whatever they want until then.



    Always have, always will. They don't really give a flying crap about
    the public. All they want is to fill their own pockets, the on-going
    perks (even after leaving Parliament!!), and potentially get their
    names in the history
    books.

    They suffer the consequences through the various opinion polls
    published each month or so, and this directly affects their party
    fundraising levels.

    They don't care. Even once they are no longer in Parliament, they
    ridiculously still get a pile of perks for the rest of their lives, at tax-payer expense..



    Pollies do get well remunerated but if it is as lucrative as you say
    let me know when you get on the list or are an electorate candidate.
    Then let me know how it went through an election campaign and if you
    made it into Parliament. Let me know whether the effort was worth the
    filthy lucre you will now get.

    Talk is cheap.

    Why would I ever want to be a politician?? Everybody despises them all
    as the braindead, useless, lying morons that they are. It's even lower
    than being a commission salesperson.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 21:27:15 2025
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 20:03:44 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-05-15 07:52:06 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:20:41 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-15 02:26:48 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that >>>>>> it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same - >>>>> they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business >>>>> management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible >>>>> wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    As long as the PC idiocy does get binned, who cares how or why it gets there.



    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced >>>> by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP).
    National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    All politicians do whatever they want when they want.

    That's a ridiculous assertion in NZ. While Governments can initiate
    anything, they are held to account for it at election time, sometimes
    before that.

    They might well get voted out at the next election, but it doesn't stop
    them doing whatever they want until then.

    Which is why I oppose any extension of 3-year terms.


    Always have, always will. They don't really give a flying crap about
    the public. All they want is to fill their own pockets, the on-going
    perks (even after leaving Parliament!!), and potentially get their
    names in the history
    books.

    They suffer the consequences through the various opinion polls
    published each month or so, and this directly affects their party
    fundraising levels.

    They don't care. Even once they are no longer in Parliament, they >ridiculously still get a pile of perks for the rest of their lives, at >tax-payer expense..

    Most MPs do not, unless they have been elected over 3 terms or more.



    Pollies do get well remunerated but if it is as lucrative as you say
    let me know when you get on the list or are an electorate candidate.
    Then let me know how it went through an election campaign and if you
    made it into Parliament. Let me know whether the effort was worth the
    filthy lucre you will now get.

    Talk is cheap.

    Why would I ever want to be a politician?? Everybody despises them all
    as the braindead, useless, lying morons that they are. It's even lower
    than being a commission salesperson.

    Then don't complain about how lucrative it is. Your earlier posts
    complain that MPs are overpaid even after they are no longer an MP,
    yet you now post how poorly they are treated.

    If you think hat a gig as an MP is so lucrative but then point out the downsides are such that it is not for you, then there is a word to
    describe you - hypocrite.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From It's A Me@21:1/5 to Crash on Fri May 16 11:03:00 2025
    On 2025-05-15 09:27:15 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 20:03:44 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-15 07:52:06 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:20:41 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-15 02:26:48 +0000, Crash said:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:
    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that >>>>>>> it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same - >>>>>> they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business >>>>>> management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible >>>>>> wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    As long as the PC idiocy does get binned, who cares how or why it gets there.



    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced >>>>> by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP). >>>>> National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    All politicians do whatever they want when they want.

    That's a ridiculous assertion in NZ. While Governments can initiate
    anything, they are held to account for it at election time, sometimes
    before that.

    They might well get voted out at the next election, but it doesn't stop
    them doing whatever they want until then.

    Which is why I oppose any extension of 3-year terms.


    Always have, always will. They don't really give a flying crap about
    the public. All they want is to fill their own pockets, the on-going
    perks (even after leaving Parliament!!), and potentially get their
    names in the history
    books.

    They suffer the consequences through the various opinion polls
    published each month or so, and this directly affects their party
    fundraising levels.

    They don't care. Even once they are no longer in Parliament, they
    ridiculously still get a pile of perks for the rest of their lives, at
    tax-payer expense..

    Most MPs do not, unless they have been elected over 3 terms or more.

    For ex-Prime Ministers, it is only two years (not terms) in office.
    Every year after they retire / get sacked, they get paid around $12,000
    x number of years in office, for the rest of their life. When they die,
    a surviving spouse continues to receive that payment. On top of that
    they get lifetime free government car usage, plus free domestic and international travel for them and their spouse. The payments are
    reviewed and "adjusted" every year (i.e. they go up more than inflation
    does). <https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/members-of-parliament/former-prime-ministers>

    For normal members of parliament who have served at least three terms,
    the perks new members get have been cut back compared to what MPs who
    started before 1999 get, although they do still get a large pension.
    What they do "quzlify" to get depends on various complicated factors. <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-nanaia-mahuta-michael-wood-and-tamati-coffey-inside-ousted-mps-exit-perks/52UPYNRDT5DC5JU2J42W7MMBDQ/>





    Pollies do get well remunerated but if it is as lucrative as you say
    let me know when you get on the list or are an electorate candidate.
    Then let me know how it went through an election campaign and if you
    made it into Parliament. Let me know whether the effort was worth the
    filthy lucre you will now get.

    Talk is cheap.

    Why would I ever want to be a politician?? Everybody despises them all
    as the braindead, useless, lying morons that they are. It's even lower
    than being a commission salesperson.

    Then don't complain about how lucrative it is. Your earlier posts
    complain that MPs are overpaid even after they are no longer an MP,
    yet you now post how poorly they are treated.

    I never said they are treated poorly. I said the public tends to think
    they useless idiots ... which they are.

    How they are viewed in public opinion has zero to do with how over-paid
    and over-perked they are, at tax-payer expense. Almost every government
    whines on about not having enough money (usually blaming the previous opposition government) and making cuts to various things and income tax
    changes in their budget, yet continue to basically give themselves
    massive pay rises.

    If the pay packets were connected to public opinion of them, then most government ministers would be less than 1c for their entire "career".



    If you think hat a gig as an MP is so lucrative but then point out the downsides are such that it is not for you, then there is a word to
    describe you - hypocrite.

    Looks like you need to do some reading comprehension classes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Crash on Fri May 16 10:17:42 2025
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that
    it should be ashamed of.

    "Fixing pay equity wasn’t an issue raised by any of the three
    coalition parties in the election campaign just 18 months ago.

    Fixing pay equity wasn’t in either coalition agreement."

    Nether was He Puapua and 3 waters during Adern's 2020 campaign but
    she she pushed it.

    The left seem to have Pay Equity and Pay Equality mixed up. No
    one is saying Pay Equality is going away just the Fantasyland pay
    equity comparisons given.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri May 16 12:02:39 2025
    On 15 May 2025 23:19:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2025-05-15, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that >>>> it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political >>>Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same - >>>they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business >>>management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible >>>wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced
    by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP).
    National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    It seems to me that the Government simply fell off the cliff.

    It does show how the fall can be both sudden and unexpected.
    At the end of the day the perception will be one of National screwing a
    large section of the hard working public service staff who do not push pens.

    They were all gung ho over cutting taxes for landlords and canceling
    the new ferries, but then they found out that there were much larger
    financial costs for those decisions than they had realised - I have
    heard that Willis did not seek any advice before the ferry
    cancellation. They realised that they needed something for insurance
    in case it all turned to custard, and so we have the attack on women -
    Seymour and ACT are delighted to have "saved the budget" but National
    is (rightly) the party being blamed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu May 15 23:19:33 2025
    On 2025-05-15, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:18:06 +1200, It's A Me <its-a-me@mario.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-05-14 23:50:21 +0000, Crash said:

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2br8rn

    This Government, on this issue, is showing levels of incompetence that
    it should be ashamed of.

    "Pay Equity" is just another in the massive llst of 'Political
    Correctness' stupid ideas that need to be binned.

    No two jobs are ever the same because no two people are ever the same - >>they have different experience, different ideas, different work
    methods, etc., etc.

    If you want *true* "pay equity", then it is the greedy scum in business >>management and politics who need to have huge pay cuts to more sensible >>wage packets (and zero additional perks).

    That is a different subject. This thread is about Government using
    Urgency to escape from the normal processes of changing legislation.

    It is even more galling to realise that the 2020 amendment, introduced
    by Labour, was supported by National (that included Willis as an MP). National in particular have made fools of themselves over this and
    they need to do better to be re-elected.

    It seems to me that the Government simply fell off the cliff.

    It does show how the fall can be both sudden and unexpected.
    At the end of the day the perception will be one of National screwing a
    large section of the hard working public service staff who do not push pens.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)