Australia has put in place a law to ban access to social media for
under-16s, and New Zealand is looking to follow suit. Here is an
interview, by Samantha Hayes of Stuff, of the “Premier” (as the
Aussies insist on calling the state Chief Ministers in their
Federation -- don’t they know that “Premier” is shortened journalese
for “Prime Minister”?) of South Australia, Peter Malinauskas, the
instigator of the Aussie law
<https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360690772/one-thing-architect-australias-social-media-ban-under-16s-would-do-differently>.
One of our local pro-right-wing-wannabe parties insists the law would
be “unworkable”. Yes, Malinauskas admits that bans on underage
smoking, drinking and now social media are never 100% effective. But
they greatly reduce the incidence of the activity, and that is what
leads to harm reduction.
Certainly, relying on the social media companies to police themselves
is never going to work. Because if it had worked, we would have seen
the results, after more than 20 years of their activities. The fact
that things are, if anything, worse now than when they started, shows
the uselessness of trusting them.
The word Premier is not shortened journalese for "Prime Minister"
From Google: "... It's also used politically to refer to the
head of government in many countries, often interchangeably with "prime minister". "
In aus.computers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On 16 May 2025 09:20:54 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
That idiotic law effectively just enforced a compulsory course on
identity fraud for under 16s.
You mean, more than they do so already?
Yep. They can nick booze and smokes off their parents without
needing to commit fraud, and this fraud can all be done from their
bedroom.
The government will only be more inept at it.
Who would do a better job? Certainly not the companies themselves. So who?
The Chinese Communist Party would probably do fairly well at it if
they took power here. Not worth the trade-offs IMHO.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote
MightyMouse wrote
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote
It *is* their fault. Remember, they’ve had over 20 years to clean up
their act.
yes, but they don't care. all they car about is making money and mining
data
Precisely. How do we make them care?
Not possible
The only force they understand is legal force.
Just not possible for that to work in this situation
On Fri, 16 May 2025 15:31:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"Impossible to enforce, just fantasy land.
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote
MightyMouse wrote
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote
It *is* their fault. Remember, they’ve had over 20 years to clean up >>>>> their act.
yes, but they don't care. all they car about is making money and mining >>>> data
Precisely. How do we make them care?
Not possible
The only force they understand is legal force.
Just not possible for that to work in this situation
Just tell the social media companies that they have a year or 18
months to get anyone under 16 off their platform - and tell them that
there will be a fine of $500 (increasing to a higher level after 6
months) every time an under 16 person is found to have used their
programme. Some may stop providing service in New Zealand - not a
problem. It may enable mainstream news services to recover from the >deliberate mis-information from social media.
On Thu, 15 May 2025 07:22:18 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Australia has put in place a law to ban access to social media for >>under-16s, and New Zealand is looking to follow suit. Here is an
interview, by Samantha Hayes of Stuff, of the “Premier” (as the
Aussies insist on calling the state Chief Ministers in their
Federation -- don’t they know that “Premier” is shortened journalese
for “Prime Minister”?) of South Australia, Peter Malinauskas, the >>instigator of the Aussie law >><https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360690772/one-thing-architect-australias-social-media-ban-under-16s-would-do-differently>.
One of our local pro-right-wing-wannabe parties insists the law would
be “unworkable”. Yes, Malinauskas admits that bans on underage
smoking, drinking and now social media are never 100% effective. But
they greatly reduce the incidence of the activity, and that is what
leads to harm reduction.
Certainly, relying on the social media companies to police themselves
is never going to work. Because if it had worked, we would have seen
the results, after more than 20 years of their activities. The fact
that things are, if anything, worse now than when they started, shows
the uselessness of trusting them.
Banning under 16s from social media will be impossible unless some
sort of digital ID is issued to everyone and which would be required
for internet access. This legislation is insidious and must be opposed
at every opportunity.
It is up to parents to supervise their children's online activity, not >politicians.
Bill.
On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:29:43 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Lost count of the number of lies in that response, but too many to bother with.
On Thu, 15 May 2025 07:22:18 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Australia has put in place a law to ban access to social media for >>>under-16s, and New Zealand is looking to follow suit. Here is an >>>interview, by Samantha Hayes of Stuff, of the “Premier” (as the
Aussies insist on calling the state Chief Ministers in their
Federation -- don’t they know that “Premier” is shortened journalese
for “Prime Minister”?) of South Australia, Peter Malinauskas, the >>>instigator of the Aussie law >>><https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360690772/one-thing-architect-australias-social-media-ban-under-16s-would-do-differently>.
One of our local pro-right-wing-wannabe parties insists the law would
be “unworkable”. Yes, Malinauskas admits that bans on underage
smoking, drinking and now social media are never 100% effective. But
they greatly reduce the incidence of the activity, and that is what
leads to harm reduction.
Certainly, relying on the social media companies to police themselves
is never going to work. Because if it had worked, we would have seen
the results, after more than 20 years of their activities. The fact
that things are, if anything, worse now than when they started, shows
the uselessness of trusting them.
Banning under 16s from social media will be impossible unless some
sort of digital ID is issued to everyone and which would be required
for internet access. This legislation is insidious and must be opposed
at every opportunity.
While it is no insurmountable, to try and restrict access to social
media for those under 16 would be difficult, and as the prime
motivation of the current government is to get political donations
from companies and to increase profits by privatisation where
possible, I cannot see this as any real priority for the current
government - they are making noises for sure, but that is just a
distraction from the enrichment of supporters at the expense of
ordinary New Zealanders. We have moved a long way from the National
Party that had as a serious policy goal equal opportunity for all . .
. The proliferation of vaping shops - many near schools - since the
last election is a demonstration of the lack of morality of the
current government, who have string links to tobacco companies . . .
It is up to parents to supervise their children's online activity, not >>politicians.
Bill.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 15:31:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote
MightyMouse wrote
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote
It *is* their fault. Remember, they’ve had over 20 years to clean up >>>>> their act.
yes, but they don't care. all they car about is making money and mining >>>> data
Precisely. How do we make them care?
Not possible
The only force they understand is legal force.
Just not possible for that to work in this situation
Just tell the social media companies that they have a year or 18
months to get anyone under 16 off their platform - and tell them that
there will be a fine of $500 (increasing to a higher level after 6
months) every time an under 16 person is found to have used their
programme. Some may stop providing service in New Zealand - not a
problem. It may enable mainstream news services to recover from the >deliberate mis-information from social media.
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
MightyMouse <"squeak!"@cheesefactory.com> wrote
problems that other countries, notably Asian,don't have
More bullshit
because they punish people for bad behaviour and breaching societal >>>> dictates.
More bullshit
go to Singapore and start tagging buildings and see what happens to you
I find with Asians they don't see the point of mindless Graffiti,
there is no money in it!
Have fun explaining the graffiti in Hong Kong
Robbery, selling drugs, prostitution yes. But dealt with harshly
corruption is endemic
**************
France now requires Adult site access to upload a photo ID to access
adult websites, instead of just clicking on a button that says they’re 18.
Trivial to use a fake ID
<https://nypost.com/2025/06/07/world-news/au-revoir-pornhub-adult-site-pulls-out-of-france-users-rage/>
https://tinyurl.com/s97nbc6t
Au revoir Pornhub! Adult site pulls out of France, sending users into
a frenzy
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
MightyMouse <squeak!@cheesefactory.com> wrote
Peter Jason wrote
noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Sex education of children has never worked except in the sense >>>>>>>>> that it does make clear that fucking can make you pregnant
Sex education with adults never works either, your parents failed, >>>>>>>> they had you ya inbred disease
Yes, we should direct our attention to adults, especially the
Hominid
old farts who will not be tutored. After all it's the adults
who have
the feral kids. I have long recommended the re-introduction of >>>>>>> corporal punishment to adequately correct, admonish, instruct and >>>>>>> improve the condition of randy sticky-fingered teen creatures.
the lack of discipline at all levels in society is why we have so
many social problems today.
Bullshit
problems that other countries, notably Asian,don't have
More bullshit
because they punish people for bad behaviour and breaching societal >>>>>> dictates.
More bullshit
There is no bullshit.
It is nothing but bullshit
Singapore is famous for admonishing, catching,
sequestering and sentencing those refractory brats who daub wall with >>>> their vandalisms.
Pity its a microscopic subset of asia
So?
So the original claim is bullshit, like I said
Perhaps the rest of Asia should follow!
No one else is that stupid
These vandals are stripped and caned.
Bullshit on the stripped
Picky picky,
You arent sposed to pick your nose in usenet
Bared then?\
Bullshit on the bared
Hence Singapore is almost graffiti free.
Pity about the rest of asia which isnt
Irrelevant!
Nope, that's what the mouse claimed
Curiously this has not been taken up in other countries, even though
it works, and is the cheapest form of punishment there is.
We, the long suffering taxpayer, has to fork out $quillions
More bullshit
It is not bullshit at all.
Its complete and utter bullshit.
Clean-up crews are at it all the time!
More bullshit
to finance
cleanup operations where a good flogging would so the job for almost
nothing.
Costs heaps to find the culprits, fuckwit
Rubbish!
More bullshit
A simple stake-out would do it.
Pity about the cost of doing that
Let me say I'm appalled by your negativism!
Let me say I'm appalled by your mindless pig ignorant bullshit
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