https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better.
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes forYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:A lot of people blame JD Vance - and usually they are correct. Perhaps
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset abouthttps://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better. >>
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyVance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset abouthttps://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better. >>>
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few
years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you.
As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and theyYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyVance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about >>>>the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though ishttps://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better. >>>>
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal >>>>of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few
years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you.
As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
and no respect for fairness.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou need to stop drinking so early in the day - or is it late in the day?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:A lot of people blame JD Vance - and usually they are correct. Perhaps
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset abouthttps://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better. >>>
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
you are confused, Tony.
You are off topic still.You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
So now you think Landlords are donating to the Green Party - do you
have any evidence of that?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset abouthttps://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better. >>
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
You are really losing it, Tony - it must be hard for you to have such confirmation that Willis is as incompetent as Luxon, and that they are reversing their own policies from not long ago because Willis botchedIt is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and theyYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you might understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyVance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>>>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>>>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about >>>>>the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is >>>>>to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal >>>>>of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you.
As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>and no respect for fairness.You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . .
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked outWHo cares?
are shown here: >https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:A lot of people blame JD Vance - and usually they are correct. Perhaps
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset abouthttps://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better. >>>
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
you are confused, Tony.
You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
So now you think Landlords are donating to the Green Party - do you
have any evidence of that?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you might
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish. >>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if she >>>>>>>agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>>>>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about >>>>>>the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is >>>>>>to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal >>>>>>of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>>>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with >>>>it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you.
As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>>>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>>and no respect for fairness.You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . .
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go.
Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out
are shown here: >>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
Off topic.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyNot me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you personified when you are not lying.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you >>might
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish. >>>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with >>>>>it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you.
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if >>>>>>>>she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the >>>>>>>>Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done >>>>>>>>better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about >>>>>>>the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is >>>>>>>to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal >>>>>>>of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>>>>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>>>>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>>>and no respect for fairness.You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . .
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go.
Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out
are shown here: >>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other
occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of
inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just
as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care
that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from
ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
Off topic.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyNot me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you personified when
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you >>>might
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish. >>>>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with >>>>>>it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you.
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if >>>>>>>>>she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for the
Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done >>>>>>>>>better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about >>>>>>>>the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is >>>>>>>>to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal >>>>>>>>of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>>>>>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>>>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>>>>>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>>>>and no respect for fairness.You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect!
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . .
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go.
Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>are shown here: >>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other
occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just
as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care
that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from
ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
you are not lying.
Off topic.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyCongratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM either - but you really hate that truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyNot me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you personified >>when
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you >>>>might
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish. >>>>>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with >>>>>>>it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you.
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if >>>>>>>>>>she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for >>>>>>>>>>the
Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done >>>>>>>>>>better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about >>>>>>>>>the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is >>>>>>>>>to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal >>>>>>>>>of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>>>>>>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>>>>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign is >>>>>>>>>the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>>>>>and no respect for fairness.You are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . .
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go. >>>>Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>>are shown here: >>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just
as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care
that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from
ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
you are not lying.
National Parties,
Tony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out
those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
Off topic.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyCongratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM >either - but you really hate that truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you personified >>>when
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you >>>>>might
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>>>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with >>>>>>>>it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish. >>>>>>>>
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, if >>>>>>>>>>>she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for >>>>>>>>>>>the
Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done >>>>>>>>>>>better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about >>>>>>>>>>the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>>>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is >>>>>>>>>>to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and >>>>>>>>>>which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>>>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>>>>>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign isYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>>>>>>and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . .
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go. >>>>>Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>>>are shown here: >>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>>>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just
as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
you are not lying.
National Parties,
OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse thanTony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out
those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
Off topic.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:23:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyBecause you are stupid. You be;lieve all people have political affiliations, you have made that clear many times. You are wrong, many do not.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyCongratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM >>either - but you really hate that truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you personified >>>>when
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go. >>>>>>Why do you hate women?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>>>>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with >>>>>>>>>it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish.
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, >>>>>>>>>>>>if
she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for >>>>>>>>>>>>the
Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done >>>>>>>>>>>>better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>>>>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is >>>>>>>>>>>to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling >>>>>>>>>>>reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>>>>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deception >>>>>>>>>>>and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign >>>>>>>>>>>isYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>>>>>>>and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . . >>>>>>You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you >>>>>>might
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>>>>are shown here: >>>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>>>>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just >>>>>as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
you are not lying.
National Parties,
National; I had suspected you do not support Labour, Green Party or Te
Pati Maori - why would I hate your assertions?
You lied nobody else, your sarcasm has you captured.OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse thanTony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out >>>those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
Trump, but I merely stated that in my view they are not as bad - do
you think that is a lie, Tony?
I do doubt that Philip Morris (as one example) have been disappointedMore off topic distraction.
- they have been able to sell more cigarettes than had previous
policies been continued, and they have been able to sell a lot of
vapes - do you think they expected more from the government, Tony?
Off topic.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:22:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don't, and many others do not. Far more than you are prepared to believe. Intelligent people support good ideas, the party that proposes them is irrelevant (in every way).
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most are not affiliated with any party, but support one or more
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:23:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyBecause you are stupid. You be;lieve all people have political affiliations, >>you have made that clear many times. You are wrong, many do not.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Congratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM >>>>either - but you really hate that truth.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the >>>>>National Parties,
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you >>>>>>personified
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:might
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>>>>>>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do >>>>>>>>>>>with
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>if
she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door >>>>>>>>>>>>>>for
the
Government to focus on language rather than policy." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>done
better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though >>>>>>>>>>>>>is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling >>>>>>>>>>>>>reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, >>>>>>>>>>>>>and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is >>>>>>>>>>subbish.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>>>>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and theyYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their >>>>>>>>>>>>>campaign
is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . . >>>>>>>>You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English >>>>>>>>you
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go. >>>>>>>>Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>>>>>>are shown here: >>>>>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>>>>>>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just >>>>>>>as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>>>>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
when
you are not lying.
National; I had suspected you do not support Labour, Green Party or Te >>>Pati Maori - why would I hate your assertions?
parties on many issues.
Something that you rarely do - but you did lie!No lies, but you appear to use such accusations as a reason forYou lied nobody else, your sarcasm has you captured.
OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse than >>>Trump, but I merely stated that in my view they are not as bad - doTony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out >>>>>those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
you think that is a lie, Tony?
continuing your empty assertions - sometimes it is best to just move
along . . .
It is off topic - if you want a new topic then start it.Not a distraction to those dying from various cancers - and they are >schooling young people into such addictions!More off topic distraction.
I do doubt that Philip Morris (as one example) have been disappointed
- they have been able to sell more cigarettes than had previous
policies been continued, and they have been able to sell a lot of
vapes - do you think they expected more from the government, Tony?
Off topic.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most are not affiliated with any party, but support one or more
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:23:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyBecause you are stupid. You be;lieve all people have political affiliations, >you have made that clear many times. You are wrong, many do not.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Congratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM >>>either - but you really hate that truth.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the >>>>National Parties,
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you personified >>>>>when
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:might
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few >>>>>>>>>>years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do with
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House, >>>>>>>>>>>>>if
she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door for
the
Government to focus on language rather than policy."
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have done >>>>>>>>>>>>>better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its >>>>>>>>>>>>use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling >>>>>>>>>>>>reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is subbish.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes for >>>>>>>>>>>>landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they >>>>>>>>>>>>have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, deceptionYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their campaign >>>>>>>>>>>>is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy, >>>>>>>>>>>>and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . . >>>>>>>You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English you
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go. >>>>>>>Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>>>>>are shown here: >>>>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>>>>>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just >>>>>>as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>>>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
you are not lying.
National; I had suspected you do not support Labour, Green Party or Te
Pati Maori - why would I hate your assertions?
No lies, but you appear to use such accusations as a reason forYou lied nobody else, your sarcasm has you captured.
OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse than >>Trump, but I merely stated that in my view they are not as bad - doTony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out >>>>those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
you think that is a lie, Tony?
Not a distraction to those dying from various cancers - and they areMore off topic distraction.
I do doubt that Philip Morris (as one example) have been disappointed
- they have been able to sell more cigarettes than had previous
policies been continued, and they have been able to sell a lot of
vapes - do you think they expected more from the government, Tony?
Off topic.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, I said that ACT, NZ First and National are not as bad as Trump -
On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:22:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don't, and many others do not. Far more than you are prepared to believe.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most are not affiliated with any party, but support one or more
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Because you are stupid. You be;lieve all people have political affiliations, >>>you have made that clear many times. You are wrong, many do not.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or >>>>National; I had suspected you do not support Labour, Green Party or Te >>>>Pati Maori - why would I hate your assertions?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Congratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM >>>>>either - but you really hate that truth.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the >>>>>>National Parties,
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you >>>>>>>personified
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:might
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a few
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the House,
if
she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for
the
Government to focus on language rather than policy." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>done
better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm though >>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous government, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do >>>>>>>>>>>>with
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is >>>>>>>>>>>subbish.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes forYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>campaign
is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . . >>>>>>>>>You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English >>>>>>>>>you
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go. >>>>>>>>>Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>>>>>>>are shown here: >>>>>>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>>>>>>>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>>>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>>>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just >>>>>>>>as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>>>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>>>>>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>>>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
when
you are not lying.
parties on many issues.
Intelligent people support good ideas, the party that proposes them is >irrelevant (in every way).
Dumb people care which party proposes good (or bad) ideas.
Something that you rarely do - but you did lie!No lies, but you appear to use such accusations as a reason forYou lied nobody else, your sarcasm has you captured.
OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse than >>>>Trump, but I merely stated that in my view they are not as bad - doTony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out >>>>>>those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
you think that is a lie, Tony?
continuing your empty assertions - sometimes it is best to just move
along . . .
No; it is an illustration that the government will put rewardingIt is off topic - if you want a new topic then start it.
Not a distraction to those dying from various cancers - and they are >>schooling young people into such addictions!More off topic distraction.
I do doubt that Philip Morris (as one example) have been disappointed
- they have been able to sell more cigarettes than had previous >>>>policies been continued, and they have been able to sell a lot of
vapes - do you think they expected more from the government, Tony?
Off topic.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 02:01:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI did not refer to that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, I said that ACT, NZ First and National are not as bad as Trump -
On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:22:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don't, and many others do not. Far more than you are prepared to believe. >>Intelligent people support good ideas, the party that proposes them is >>irrelevant (in every way).
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most are not affiliated with any party, but support one or more
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Because you are stupid. You be;lieve all people have political >>>>affiliations,
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or >>>>>National; I had suspected you do not support Labour, Green Party or Te >>>>>Pati Maori - why would I hate your assertions?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Congratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM >>>>>>either - but you really hate that truth.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the >>>>>>>National Parties,
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you >>>>>>>>personified
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:might
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>few
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-columnNonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>House,
if
she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for
the
Government to focus on language rather than policy." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>done
better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>though
is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government,
and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of.
years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>with
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is >>>>>>>>>>>>subbish.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>forYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>campaign
is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . . >>>>>>>>>>You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English >>>>>>>>>>you
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go. >>>>>>>>>>Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out >>>>>>>>>>>are shown here: >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it >>>>>>>>>compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>>>>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>>>>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just >>>>>>>>>as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>>>>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>>>>>>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>>>>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
when
you are not lying.
you have made that clear many times. You are wrong, many do not.
parties on many issues.
Dumb people care which party proposes good (or bad) ideas.
Something that you rarely do - but you did lie!No lies, but you appear to use such accusations as a reason for >>>continuing your empty assertions - sometimes it is best to just move >>>along . . .You lied nobody else, your sarcasm has you captured.
OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse than >>>>>Trump, but I merely stated that in my view they are not as bad - do >>>>>you think that is a lie, Tony?Tony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out >>>>>>>those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
that was not a lie.
I then said that they have disappointed many of their formerNo, that was the lie.
supporters - that is also true - as demonstrated by political polling
I then said that those they have rewarded for their politicalAnother lie.
donations is also true - and I picked the example of Philip Morris the >tobacco and vaping company.
It does appear that you are easily confused, Tony.Not at all you are a liar.
Just more lies.No; it is an illustration that the government will put rewardingIt is off topic - if you want a new topic then start it.
Not a distraction to those dying from various cancers - and they are >>>schooling young people into such addictions!
I do doubt that Philip Morris (as one example) have been disappointed >>>>>- they have been able to sell more cigarettes than had previous >>>>>policies been continued, and they have been able to sell a lot of >>>>>vapes - do you think they expected more from the government, Tony? >>>>More off topic distraction.
political donations ahead of sensible policy - the only people that
benefit from selling more cigarettes and vapes are the tobacco
companies and the parties they donated money to. They rewarded
political donations with earlier deaths of New Zealanders . . .
Off topic.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Then you should have been clearer
On Tue, 20 May 2025 02:01:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI did not refer to that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, I said that ACT, NZ First and National are not as bad as Trump -
On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:22:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't, and many others do not. Far more than you are prepared to believe. >>>Intelligent people support good ideas, the party that proposes them is >>>irrelevant (in every way).
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most are not affiliated with any party, but support one or more
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Because you are stupid. You be;lieve all people have political >>>>>affiliations,
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or >>>>>>National; I had suspected you do not support Labour, Green Party or Te >>>>>>Pati Maori - why would I hate your assertions?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Congratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or TPM
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the >>>>>>>>National Parties,
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you >>>>>>>>>personified
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:you
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>few
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>House,
if
she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the door
for
the
Government to focus on language rather than policy." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Better late than never, as the saying goes.
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>done
better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now legitimised >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>though
is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government,
and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>with
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>subbish.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>forYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>campaign
is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . . >>>>>>>>>>>You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible English
might
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a go.
Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked out
are shown here: >>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - it
compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>>>>>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>>>>>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just >>>>>>>>>>as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>>>>>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others - >>>>>>>>>>hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>>>>>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
when
you are not lying.
either - but you really hate that truth.
you have made that clear many times. You are wrong, many do not.
parties on many issues.
Dumb people care which party proposes good (or bad) ideas.
Something that you rarely do - but you did lie!No lies, but you appear to use such accusations as a reason for >>>>continuing your empty assertions - sometimes it is best to just move >>>>along . . .You lied nobody else, your sarcasm has you captured.
OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse than >>>>>>Trump, but I merely stated that in my view they are not as bad - do >>>>>>you think that is a lie, Tony?Tony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, butWhy do you make up such lies.
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out >>>>>>>>those they have rewarded for their political donations . . .
that was not a lie.
I have given one reason why it is true - why do you claim they haveI then said that they have disappointed many of their formerNo, that was the lie.
supporters - that is also true - as demonstrated by political polling
No, the ACT1stNats changed the laws to increase the number of NewAnother lie.
I then said that those they have rewarded for their political
donations is also true - and I picked the example of Philip Morris the >>tobacco and vaping company.
Which you have not been able to demonstrate - but then you are anNot at all you are a liar.
It does appear that you are easily confused, Tony.
Denial is of course no argument at all. You are an Idiot.Just more lies.
No; it is an illustration that the government will put rewardingIt is off topic - if you want a new topic then start it.
Not a distraction to those dying from various cancers - and they are >>>>schooling young people into such addictions!
I do doubt that Philip Morris (as one example) have been disappointed >>>>>>- they have been able to sell more cigarettes than had previous >>>>>>policies been continued, and they have been able to sell a lot of >>>>>>vapes - do you think they expected more from the government, Tony? >>>>>More off topic distraction.
political donations ahead of sensible policy - the only people that
benefit from selling more cigarettes and vapes are the tobacco
companies and the parties they donated money to. They rewarded
political donations with earlier deaths of New Zealanders . . .
Off topic.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:10:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyI was perfectly clear, your ability to concentrate is terrible.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Then you should have been clearer
On Tue, 20 May 2025 02:01:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyI did not refer to that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, I said that ACT, NZ First and National are not as bad as Trump -
On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:22:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don't, and many others do not. Far more than you are prepared to believe.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Because you are stupid. You be;lieve all people have political >>>>>>affiliations,
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You had only commented that you do not support ACT, NZ First or >>>>>>>National; I had suspected you do not support Labour, Green Party or Te >>>>>>>Pati Maori - why would I hate your assertions?
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:40:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Congratulations are inappropriate, I don't support Labour, Greens, or >>>>>>>>TPM
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Well congratulations on not supporting the ACT, NZ First and the >>>>>>>>>National Parties,
On Sun, 18 May 2025 07:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Not me. I don't support any of those parties. Hypocrisy is you >>>>>>>>>>personified
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 03:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:you
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 02:24:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:What rubbish - Andrea Vance did not rush legislation through to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reverse a policy that National and Nicola Willis endorsed only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>few
On 18 May 2025 00:20:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360691630/columnist-dismisses-faux-outrage-after-pay-equity-column
" He said they were wrong to have asked van Velden, in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>House,
if
she
agreed with Vance’s original column - as it had opened the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>door
for
the
Government to focus on language rather than policy." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Better late than never, as the saying goes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good to see an apology and an acceptance that they could have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>done
better.
No such apology from the ACTNats though. For all they got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upset
about
the word used in a news article, van Velden has now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>legitimised
its
use; with no objection from Luxon or Peters. The real harm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>though
is
to women, and the focus has rightly returned to the appalling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reversal
of a policy that National worked on with the previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government,
and
which Nicola Willis spoke in favour of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nonsense. Vance is the culprit. Simple.
years ago - unless you somehow think JD Vance has something to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do
with
it - with your Trump fixation I would not put that past you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vance started this. There is no other truth - it is you that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>subbish.
It is clearly a direct result of their changes to reduce taxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>forYou are describing yourself and the Greens, well done. Perfect! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>As above you are describing yourself and the Grens.
landlords, making many wealthy people more wealthy again - and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
have stopped building houses for those most in need. Lies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deception
and acting in the interests of those that donated to their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>campaign
is
the sign of a government with low morals, no respect for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>democracy,
and no respect for fairness.
Are the Grens friends of yours, Tony? Sound a bit subbish . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>You are such a child. When you start to address your terrible >>>>>>>>>>>>English
might
understand how much you have missed all these years, do give it a >>>>>>>>>>>>go.
Why do you hate women?
Off topic.
WHo cares?
The way those decisions of the Remuneration Authority are worked >>>>>>>>>>>>>out
are shown here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.remauthority.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/review-of-mps-salaries-and-allowances-2023-24.pdf
It is the same process that the pay equity settlements were using - >>>>>>>>>>>it
compared MP and Ministerial salaries with a wide range of other >>>>>>>>>>>occupations and determined an increase that was around the level of >>>>>>>>>>>inflation - Luxon and Willis would have known it was coming out just >>>>>>>>>>>as they were stopping the same process for others; they did not care >>>>>>>>>>>that they benefited from a process that they were denying to others -
hypocrisy and dishonesty are however what you expect from >>>>>>>>>>>ACT1stNational, don't you Tony . . .
when
you are not lying.
either - but you really hate that truth.
you have made that clear many times. You are wrong, many do not. >>>>>Most are not affiliated with any party, but support one or more >>>>>parties on many issues.
Intelligent people support good ideas, the party that proposes them is >>>>irrelevant (in every way).
Dumb people care which party proposes good (or bad) ideas.
Something that you rarely do - but you did lie!No lies, but you appear to use such accusations as a reason for >>>>>continuing your empty assertions - sometimes it is best to just move >>>>>along . . .You lied nobody else, your sarcasm has you captured.
OK fair enough - so you may believe that they are as bad or worse than >>>>>>>Trump, but I merely stated that in my view they are not as bad - do >>>>>>>you think that is a lie, Tony?Tony - they are not as obviously bad as Trump, but
they have disappointed many of their former supporters - leaving out >>>>>>>>>those they have rewarded for their political donations . . . >>>>>>>>Why do you make up such lies.
that was not a lie.
You have provided no evidence whatsoever. It was a lie.I have given one reason why it is true - why do you claim they haveI then said that they have disappointed many of their formerNo, that was the lie.
supporters - that is also true - as demonstrated by political polling
not disappointed many of their previous supporters?
That is a downright lie. You seem to believe your own lies, that is the sign of sociopathy but we knew that eh?No, the ACT1stNats changed the laws to increase the number of NewAnother lie.
I then said that those they have rewarded for their political
donations is also true - and I picked the example of Philip Morris the >>>tobacco and vaping company.
Zealanders who can buy tobacco products, and allowed wider sale of
vapes which are seen by many as an introductory drug leading to later
use of tobacco and a path to other drugs - and we have seen a turn
backwards from the reduction in tobacco use that had been happening
under the previous government.
I am not an idiot but you are indeed a liar.Which you have not been able to demonstrate - but then you are anNot at all you are a liar.
It does appear that you are easily confused, Tony.
idiot.
I am not an idiot but you are indeed a liar.Denial is of course no argument at all. You are an Idiot.Just more lies.
No; it is an illustration that the government will put rewarding >>>political donations ahead of sensible policy - the only people that >>>benefit from selling more cigarettes and vapes are the tobaccoIt is off topic - if you want a new topic then start it.
Not a distraction to those dying from various cancers - and they are >>>>>schooling young people into such addictions!
I do doubt that Philip Morris (as one example) have been disappointed >>>>>>>- they have been able to sell more cigarettes than had previous >>>>>>>policies been continued, and they have been able to sell a lot of >>>>>>>vapes - do you think they expected more from the government, Tony? >>>>>>More off topic distraction.
companies and the parties they donated money to. They rewarded
political donations with earlier deaths of New Zealanders . . .
Off topic.
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