Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up >swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. None >of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving the >people an option.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a
confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also new >and has only still some honeymoon period left.
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of
the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long
time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane
Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another
term . . . .
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up >>swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. None >>of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving the >>people an option.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a
confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out >>via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also new >>and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before
the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods ofThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric.
the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long
time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). ShaneWho cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump.
Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another
term . . . .
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up >>>swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. None >>>of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving the >>>people an option.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a
confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is >>>> critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out >>>via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also new >>>and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before
the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw
wrote:
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the farI suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods ofThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric.
the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long
time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane onWinston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). ShaneWho cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump.
Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another
term . . . .
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a
confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is >>>> critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up >>>swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. None >>>of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving the >>>people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out >>>via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also new >>>and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before
the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up.
wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also
aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods ofThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric.
the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
right
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the MaoriNonsense.
seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that
came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the
government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election;
he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that
he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away
from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will
be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run,
Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is
increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party
that will take votes from Labour.
You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). ShaneWho cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump.
Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another
term . . . .
his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance?
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with >>>>> NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with >>>>> Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a
confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>> don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because >>>>> Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is >>>>> critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then >>>>> grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably >>>>> sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
those three paragraphs.
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up >>>>swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. None >>>>of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving the >>>>people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out >>>>via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also new >>>>and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before
the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also
aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods ofThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric.
the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that is what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the MaoriNonsense.
seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that
came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election;
he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that
he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away
from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will
be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run,
Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is
increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party
that will take votes from Labour.
You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into anotherWho cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump.
term . . . .
his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance?
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with >>>>>> NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with >>>>>> Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a
confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>> don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because >>>>>> Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold >>>>>> and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is >>>>>> critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our >>>>>> next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then >>>>>> grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably >>>>>> sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
those three paragraphs.
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up >>>>>swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving the >>>>>people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out >>>>>via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyThis may help you:
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to
what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or
National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to
satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Correct.
It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori ElectoratesThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric.
right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that is what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the MaoriNonsense.
seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that
came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election;
he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that
he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will
be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party
that will take votes from Labour.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational
to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance?
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his
posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with >>>>>>> NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with >>>>>>> Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a
confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>> don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because >>>>>>> Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold >>>>>>> and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is >>>>>>> critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our >>>>>>> next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then >>>>>>> grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably >>>>>>> sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up >>>>>>swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out >>>>>>via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >>This may help you: >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit >about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If you >want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you do >this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the person >that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their Maori >background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their heritage. >Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >called him antu Maori.
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or
National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to
satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes -
both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is
cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>right
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori ElectoratesThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>>>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric.
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that is >>>>what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>that will take votes from Labour.Nonsense.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational
to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance?
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his
posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with >>>>>>>>> NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with >>>>>>>>> Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>> don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because >>>>>>>>> Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold >>>>>>>>> and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our >>>>>>>>> next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then >>>>>>>>> grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably >>>>>>>>> sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. >>>>>>>>None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving >>>>>>>>the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also >>>>>>>>new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to watch that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If you want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you do this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the person that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tonyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >This may help you:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their Maori background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their heritage. Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have called him antu Maori.
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to
what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or
National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to
satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes -
both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is
cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
Correct.
It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>right
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori ElectoratesThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric.
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that is >>>what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the MaoriNonsense.
seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that
came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party
that will take votes from Labour.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational
to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance?
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his
posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with >>>>>>>> NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with >>>>>>>> Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>> don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because >>>>>>>> Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold >>>>>>>> and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori.
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is >>>>>>>> critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our >>>>>>>> next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then >>>>>>>> grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably >>>>>>>> sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. >>>>>>>None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving >>>>>>>the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also >>>>>>>new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >>>This may help you: >>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for
everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit >>about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If you >>want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you do >>this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the person >>that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their Maori >>background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their heritage. >>Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>called him antu Maori.
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or
National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is
cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>>>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori ElectoratesThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>>>>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that is >>>>>what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.Nonsense.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his
posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with >>>>>>>>>> Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold >>>>>>>>>> and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our >>>>>>>>>> next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably >>>>>>>>>> sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. >>>>>>>>>None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving >>>>>>>>>the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), TonyObviously not, why would you post to yourself, bottom feeder an' all.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to >>watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >>>This may help you: >>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for
everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit >>about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If you >>want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you do >>this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the person >>that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their Maori >>background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their heritage. >>Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>called him antu Maori.
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or
National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is
cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>>>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori ElectoratesThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>>>>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that is >>>>>what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.Nonsense.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his
posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with >>>>>>>>>> Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold >>>>>>>>>> and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it >>>>>>>>>>is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our >>>>>>>>>> next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably >>>>>>>>>> sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving >>>>>>>>>up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative. >>>>>>>>>None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving >>>>>>>>>the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed >>>>>>>>>out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is >>>>>>>>>also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:55:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), TonySo who is the 'you' referred to in your post with the youtube article?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >>>>This may help you: >>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for >>everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
If you always respond to the group take care to identify which of us
your post is aimed at, otherwise we cannot guess it.
Perhaps you have confused yourself?
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit >>>about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If you
want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you do
this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the person
that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their Maori >>>background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their heritage. >>>Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>>called him antu Maori.
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or >>>>>National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is
cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>>>>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori ElectoratesThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>>>>>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that is
what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.Nonsense.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his >>>>>posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold >>>>>>>>>>> and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our >>>>>>>>>>> next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an alternative.
None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. Giving
the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 20:23:42 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>You are squirming and you are wrong.
wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:55:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), TonySo who is the 'you' referred to in your post with the youtube article?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to >>>>watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >>>>>This may help you: >>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>>>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . .
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for >>>everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
If you always respond to the group take care to identify which of us
your post is aimed at, otherwise we cannot guess it.
If the cap fits . . .
In a discussion with a range of people, only some will participate at >different stages of a discussion . . .A meaningless statement in this context and designed to distract - so a failure.
Perhaps you have confused yourself?
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit >>>>about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If >>>>you
want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you >>>>do
this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the >>>>person
that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their >>>>Maori
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or >>>>>>National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is >>>>>cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their >>>>heritage.
Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>>>called him antu Maori.
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a long >>>>>>>>>>time since NZ First won all of the Maori ElectoratesThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your >>>>>>>>>comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that >>>>>>>is
what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>>>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.Nonsense.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>>>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his >>>>>>posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement >>>>>>>>>>>>with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going >>>>>>>>>>>>with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election >>>>>>>>>>>>because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, >>>>>>>>>>>>it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, >>>>>>>>>>>>then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) >>>>>>>>>>>>preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has >>>>>>>>>>>giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an >>>>>>>>>>>alternative.
None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. >>>>>>>>>>>Giving
the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either >>>>>>>>>>>pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is >>>>>>>>>>>also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 20:23:42 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:You are squirming and you are wrong.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:55:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So who is the 'you' referred to in your post with the youtube article?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to >>>>>watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>>>>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . . >>>>>>>>Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >>>>>>This may help you: >>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for >>>>everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
If you always respond to the group take care to identify which of us
your post is aimed at, otherwise we cannot guess it.
If the cap fits . . .
A meaningless statement in this context and designed to distract - so a failure.
In a discussion with a range of people, only some will participate at >>different stages of a discussion . . .
You are just a rude child.
Perhaps you have confused yourself?
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit >>>>>about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If >>>>>you
want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you >>>>>do
this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the >>>>>person
that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their >>>>>Maori
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or >>>>>>>National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>>>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is >>>>>>cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their >>>>>heritage.
Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>>>>called him antu Maori.
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a longThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your
time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that >>>>>>>>is
what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>>>>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.Nonsense.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>>>>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his >>>>>>>posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement >>>>>>>>>>>>>with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going >>>>>>>>>>>>>with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election >>>>>>>>>>>>>because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, >>>>>>>>>>>>>it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, >>>>>>>>>>>>>then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) >>>>>>>>>>>>>preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has >>>>>>>>>>>>giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an >>>>>>>>>>>>alternative.
None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. >>>>>>>>>>>>Giving
the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either >>>>>>>>>>>>pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is >>>>>>>>>>>>also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, I am being open to a group discussion. This is a Usenet _Group_,
On Thu, 29 May 2025 20:23:42 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:You are squirming and you are wrong.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:55:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So who is the 'you' referred to in your post with the youtube article?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to >>>>>watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with >>>>>>>>>Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . . >>>>>>>>Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up. >>>>>>This may help you: >>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for >>>>everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
If you always respond to the group take care to identify which of us
your post is aimed at, otherwise we cannot guess it.
If the cap fits . . .
A meaningless statement in this context and designed to distract - so a failure.
In a discussion with a range of people, only some will participate at >>different stages of a discussion . . .
You are just a rude child.
Perhaps you have confused yourself?
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your bullshit >>>>>about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If >>>>>you
want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way you >>>>>do
this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the >>>>>person
that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their >>>>>Maori
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or >>>>>>>National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>>>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is >>>>>>cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their >>>>>heritage.
Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>>>>called him antu Maori.
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a longThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. Your
time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But that >>>>>>>>is
what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found that >>>>>>>>>he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.Nonsense.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on >>>>>>>>>his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his >>>>>>>posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori >>>>>>>>>>>>> government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement >>>>>>>>>>>>>with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going >>>>>>>>>>>>>with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election >>>>>>>>>>>>>because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, >>>>>>>>>>>>>it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, >>>>>>>>>>>>>then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) >>>>>>>>>>>>>preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has >>>>>>>>>>>>giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an >>>>>>>>>>>>alternative.
None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. >>>>>>>>>>>>Giving
the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either >>>>>>>>>>>>pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is >>>>>>>>>>>>also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before >>>>>>>>>>>the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
Winny is now a National-only laccolite: ...
National need never negotiate a coalition agreement with
NZF again ...
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party ...
On Thu, 29 May 2025 21:49:58 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf I always did that it would ruin my fun Crash.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 20:23:42 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:You are squirming and you are wrong.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:55:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So who is the 'you' referred to in your post with the youtube article? >>>>If you always respond to the group take care to identify which of us >>>>your post is aimed at, otherwise we cannot guess it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to >>>>>>watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:This may help you: >>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with
wrote:
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . . >>>>>>>>>Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up.
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for >>>>>everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
If the cap fits . . .
A meaningless statement in this context and designed to distract - so a >>failure.
In a discussion with a range of people, only some will participate at >>>different stages of a discussion . . .
You are just a rude child.
Generally when a thread gets to a point such as this I disengage with >debating. With Rich, responding at this juncture is pointless.
Perhaps you have confused yourself?
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your >>>>>>bullshit
about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If >>>>>>you
want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way >>>>>>you
do
this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the >>>>>>person
that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their >>>>>>Maori
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>>>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or >>>>>>>>National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>>>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>>>>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is >>>>>>>cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their >>>>>>heritage.
Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>>>>>called him antu Maori.
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a >>>>>>>>>>>>longThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. >>>>>>>>>>>Your
time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But >>>>>>>>>that
is
what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found thatNonsense.
he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>>>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his >>>>>>>>posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election >>>>>>>>>>>>>>because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has >>>>>>>>>>>>>giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an >>>>>>>>>>>>>alternative.
None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Giving
the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either >>>>>>>>>>>>>pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is >>>>>>>>>>>>>also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before
the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
--
Crash McBash
On Thu, 29 May 2025 21:49:58 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are wrong.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, I am being open to a group discussion. This is a Usenet _Group_,
On Thu, 29 May 2025 20:23:42 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:You are squirming and you are wrong.
On Thu, 29 May 2025 19:55:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:40:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So who is the 'you' referred to in your post with the youtube article? >>>>If you always respond to the group take care to identify which of us >>>>your post is aimed at, otherwise we cannot guess it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2025 16:23:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:You are answering the wrong person again, obviously you don't want me to >>>>>>watch
On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:This may help you: >>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:15:03 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 15:15:26 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Winston would have seen Christopher Luxon as the acolyte - raw >>>>>>>>>>ignorance and easily swayed, but he missed that the real power is with
wrote:
On 27 May 2025 23:35:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>Acolyte. Agent does not spell-check Subjects.
On 2025-05-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winny is now a National-only laccolite:
Did you mean Laccolith or acolyte?
Seymour and his Atlas Network mates including Nicola Willis, who also >>>>>>>>>>aided Casey Costello in some vote-losing policies . . . >>>>>>>>>Absolute fantasy - you cannot prove any of that because you made it up.
You say that as if I might care about you Tony - and yes I post for >>>>>everyone that reads the group, not just the bottom-feeder.
If the cap fits . . .
A meaningless statement in this context and designed to distract - so a >>failure.
In a discussion with a range of people, only some will participate at >>>different stages of a discussion . . .
You are just a rude child.
Perhaps you have confused yourself?
that or you would have answered me directly. And don't start your >>>>>>bullshit
about group posting or whatever foolish excuse you have given before. If >>>>>>you
want me to engage then answer me. Otherwise go boil your head. The way >>>>>>you
do
this is cowardice, you are trying to make a point without engaging the >>>>>>person
that is the target. Just pathetically childish.
Neither are anti Maori, their ability to laugh at themselves and their >>>>>>Maori
You got it Tony - but Rich as always has to add political rhetoric to >>>>>>>>what he says. In the context of Winston going with Labour or >>>>>>>>National, Winston has chosen to voluntarily limit his options to >>>>>>>>satisfy the anti-Labour grudge he holds.
Some may see it that way, but there is also the anti-Maori attitudes - >>>>>>>both Peters and Jones play on their Maori ancestry, and Jones is >>>>>>>cheeky enough to refer to himself as "Matua Jones."
background is a strength and shows their strong immersion in their >>>>>>heritage.
Billy T. did that to perfection and nobody in their right mind would have >>>>>>called him antu Maori.
So your comment is mild abuse.
Correct.
I suspect Winston is enthusiastic about the fund-raising methods of >>>>>>>>>>>>the ACT party, but does not like many of their policies. It is a >>>>>>>>>>>>longThis is about Winston ruling out working with Labour after 2026. >>>>>>>>>>>Your
time since NZ First won all of the Maori Electorates
comment above is not on-topic and politically-motivated rhetoric. >>>>>>>>>>It is relevant as it marks a sharp shift by Peters towards the far >>>>>>>>>>right
What a laugh - there is no far right politics in this country. But >>>>>>>>>that
is
what
you say when calleing good people racist does not work eh?
, and to ACT-like financing. For a party that won all the Maori >>>>>>>>>>seats, there has been a radical shift in perspective. Part of that >>>>>>>>>>came from his desire to be seen as 'the deal-maker' - deciding the >>>>>>>>>>government as he did when he support Labour in an early MMP election; >>>>>>>>>>he is now less relevant as ACT has grown; and as Peters has found thatNonsense.
he likes some aspects of the current government in its enthusiasm for >>>>>>>>>>rewarding political donors. Being Foreign Minister has taken him away >>>>>>>>>>from domestic issues , and there is speculation as to whether he will >>>>>>>>>>be able or willing to stand again; but also that if he does not run, >>>>>>>>>>Jones will lose practically all support for NZ First, which is >>>>>>>>>>increasingly seen as to the right of National, rather than a party >>>>>>>>>>that will take votes from Labour.
Correct. NZF ignores ACT as much as it can. It is simply irrational >>>>>>>>to come up with rhetoric that is laughable in its premise.
his heels waiting to take over . . . Similar to Trump and Vance? >>>>>>>>>You are an abusive old man/woman/they or whatever you are.
Winston is older than Donald Trump (April 1945 vs June 1946). Shane >>>>>>>>>>>>Jones is already over 65; he may not wish to continue into another >>>>>>>>>>>>term . . . .Who cares? This thread is not about Shane Jones or Donald Trump. >>>>>>>>>>An erratic old man that is increasingly showing his age, with Shane on
Who cannot help himself inserting irrelevant commentary into his >>>>>>>>posts.
And as you see from above I agree with much of what you have said in >>>>>>>>>>those three paragraphs.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-reacts-to-winston-peters-ruling-out-working-with-him/76WWY3V3JAZPROK2WTHZY2PDZY/
So a vote for Labour is now a vote for a Labour/Watermelons/Maori
government. National need never negotiate a coalition agreement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>with
NZF again - because Winston does not have the leverage of going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>with
Labour. National and ACT could form a government with NZF as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence-and-supply partner, assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Labour/Watermelons/Maori
don't have the majority numbers.
However if NZF has Shane Jones as leader at the 2026 election >>>>>>>>>>>>>>because
Winston has retired then.........NZF will not make the 5% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>threshold
and it becomes a National/ACT vs Labour/Watermelons/Maori. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Given that Labour now is almost the same as Labour minus Ardern, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>it is
critical that National calls the shots as the dominant party in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>our
next Parliament. Hopefully National can get this over the line, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>then
grow some balls to do what is needed (Luxon is too timid) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>preferably
sooner rather than later.
Crash the bold political commentator ;-)
What Winston (NZF) is doing is informing the voters that he has >>>>>>>>>>>>>giving up
swinging. He want to signal that he, (NZF) is offering an >>>>>>>>>>>>>alternative.
None
of this getting closer to the other (left) way of doing things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Giving
the
people an option.
Luxon, like all PMs will stay as leader unless they are either >>>>>>>>>>>>>pushed out
via the ballot box or by their party. Luxon is no different. He is >>>>>>>>>>>>>also
new
and has only still some honeymoon period left.
How soon we forget. Both Jacinda Ardern and John Key resigned before
the end of their term. Neither were pushed out by their party.
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