A parliamentary lynchingThank you, I always enjoy a good laugh. The faux outrage was funny and your embellishment was even funnier.
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti
Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after
three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to
recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck
that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation,
precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be
treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no
longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white
supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a
Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she
is in charge . . .
... by deliberately excluding these MPs ...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
Thank you, I always enjoy a good laugh. The faux outrage was funny and your >embellishment was even funnier.
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti
Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after
three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck
that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation,
precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no
longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white
supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a
Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she
is in charge . . .
The only sad part was the imaginary country that was mentioned, otherwise a >good entry for joke of the day.
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti
Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after
three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to
recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck
that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation,
precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be
treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no
longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white
supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a
Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she
is in charge . . .
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 22:51:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
Thank you, I always enjoy a good laugh. The faux outrage was funny and your >>embellishment was even funnier.
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti
Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after
three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck >>>that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation, >>>precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no
longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white >>>supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a
Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she
is in charge . . .
The only sad part was the imaginary country that was mentioned, otherwise a >>good entry for joke of the day.
Notable also that there is no mention that Parliament, along with
democracy, is an invention brought to this country by the invading
colonists. Maori MPs are permitted because the earlier colonial
government thought that Maori representation would be a good idea and
that dedicated seats for Maori should be tried to ensure it.
Parliament is not a Maori institution. Maori culture may be permitted
to take place in Parliament from time to time, but not while
Parliamentary processes (such as voting) are in progress and not
without the prior approval of the Speaker.
Make no mistake - all MPs have to abide by Parliamentary rules and the
Maori Party MPs broke them with verbal violence and contempt for the >institution that is Parliament. I would expect that if any other
group of MPs performed similar actions they would be sanctioned in the
same way.
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 09:57:35 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:True; but they wanted to bring their lawyer, and the government
... by deliberately excluding these MPs ...
Hey, remember they were the ones who refused to turn up for hearings.
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 09:57:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>For the next three weeks it is less representative than it should be.
wrote:
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti
Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after
three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck
that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation,
precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no
longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white
supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a
Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she
is in charge . . .
A totally one-sided and uneven commentary. Parliament is most
certainly representative.
There are now no Maori without non-Maori
antecedents. The culture is purely ceremonial - all practical
vestiges of Maori civilisation as it existed prior to colonisation no
longer exists. Hone Heke pioneered the concept of living in a house
built on the Pa by the missionary adherents he protected. There are
no Pa any more. So Maori are now greatly outnumbered by non-Maori and
have long abandoned their traditional tribal-based Pa for largely
urban life.
As with other institutions, Parliament is not a Maori institution and
those that represent Maori (regardless of political ideology) should
well remember this and follow the example of past and present MPs of
Maori descent.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 22:51:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbsolutely Crash, I would be extremely disappointed if they were not treated >the same. That is the difference, I do not want special treatment for any >culture and nor do you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
Thank you, I always enjoy a good laugh. The faux outrage was funny and your >>>embellishment was even funnier.
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>>>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti >>>>Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after >>>>three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>>>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>>>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck >>>>that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation, >>>>precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>>>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>>>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no >>>>longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>>>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white >>>>supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>>>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a >>>>Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she >>>>is in charge . . .
The only sad part was the imaginary country that was mentioned, otherwise a >>>good entry for joke of the day.
Notable also that there is no mention that Parliament, along with >>democracy, is an invention brought to this country by the invading >>colonists. Maori MPs are permitted because the earlier colonial
government thought that Maori representation would be a good idea and
that dedicated seats for Maori should be tried to ensure it.
Parliament is not a Maori institution. Maori culture may be permitted
to take place in Parliament from time to time, but not while
Parliamentary processes (such as voting) are in progress and not
without the prior approval of the Speaker.
Make no mistake - all MPs have to abide by Parliamentary rules and the >>Maori Party MPs broke them with verbal violence and contempt for the >>institution that is Parliament. I would expect that if any other
group of MPs performed similar actions they would be sanctioned in the
same way.
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 01:54:11 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 09:57:35 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:True; but they wanted to bring their lawyer ...
... by deliberately excluding these MPs ...
Hey, remember they were the ones who refused to turn up for hearings.
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 22:51:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe haka did not start until all votes had been advised to the Clerk.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
Thank you, I always enjoy a good laugh. The faux outrage was funny and your >>embellishment was even funnier.
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti
Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after
three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck >>>that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation, >>>precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no
longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white >>>supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a
Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she
is in charge . . .
The only sad part was the imaginary country that was mentioned, otherwise a >>good entry for joke of the day.
Notable also that there is no mention that Parliament, along with
democracy, is an invention brought to this country by the invading
colonists. Maori MPs are permitted because the earlier colonial
government thought that Maori representation would be a good idea and
that dedicated seats for Maori should be tried to ensure it.
Parliament is not a Maori institution. Maori culture may be permitted
to take place in Parliament from time to time, but not while
Parliamentary processes (such as voting) are in progress and not
without the prior approval of the Speaker.
Make no mistake - all MPs have to abide by Parliamentary rules and theIt is the first decision of the Privileges Committee that was not
Maori Party MPs broke them with verbal violence and contempt for the >institution that is Parliament. I would expect that if any other
group of MPs performed similar actions they would be sanctioned in the
same way.
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 15:08:57 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>It is, fully.
wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 09:57:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:For the next three weeks it is less representative than it should be.
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti
Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after
three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck >>>that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation, >>>precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no
longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white >>>supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a
Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she
is in charge . . .
A totally one-sided and uneven commentary. Parliament is most
certainly representative.
At least the Maori Party should be able to cast proxy votes for those
MPs that have been suspended . . .
There are now no Maori without non-Maori
antecedents. The culture is purely ceremonial - all practical
vestiges of Maori civilisation as it existed prior to colonisation no >>longer exists. Hone Heke pioneered the concept of living in a house
built on the Pa by the missionary adherents he protected. There are
no Pa any more. So Maori are now greatly outnumbered by non-Maori and
have long abandoned their traditional tribal-based Pa for largely
urban life.
As with other institutions, Parliament is not a Maori institution and
those that represent Maori (regardless of political ideology) should
well remember this and follow the example of past and present MPs of
Maori descent.
They have - but the Treaty was agreed and committed to before
Parliament was formed - it does need to be honoured.
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 14:57:01 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>That is a childish lie. She does not make the rules.
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 22:51:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe haka did not start until all votes had been advised to the Clerk.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html
Thank you, I always enjoy a good laugh. The faux outrage was funny and your >>>embellishment was even funnier.
A parliamentary lynching
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>>>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti >>>>Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after >>>>three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The
government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>>>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori,
has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>>>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck >>>>that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The
silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of
our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation, >>>>precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>>>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>>>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no >>>>longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>>>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white >>>>supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>>>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a >>>>Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she >>>>is in charge . . .
The only sad part was the imaginary country that was mentioned, otherwise a >>>good entry for joke of the day.
Notable also that there is no mention that Parliament, along with >>democracy, is an invention brought to this country by the invading >>colonists. Maori MPs are permitted because the earlier colonial
government thought that Maori representation would be a good idea and
that dedicated seats for Maori should be tried to ensure it.
Parliament is not a Maori institution. Maori culture may be permitted
to take place in Parliament from time to time, but not while
Parliamentary processes (such as voting) are in progress and not
without the prior approval of the Speaker.
They did not interrupt voting
It is the first decision of the Privileges Committee that was not
Make no mistake - all MPs have to abide by Parliamentary rules and the >>Maori Party MPs broke them with verbal violence and contempt for the >>institution that is Parliament. I would expect that if any other
group of MPs performed similar actions they would be sanctioned in the
same way.
determined by consensus. Crusher likes being seen as wielding Trumpian
power . . .
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 01:54:11 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'OliveiroAbsolute nonsense. They were given the same rights as every other MP would have been given in the same circumastnces. Your fatous twisting of facts is disgraceful.
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 09:57:35 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:True; but they wanted to bring their lawyer, and the government
... by deliberately excluding these MPs ...
Hey, remember they were the ones who refused to turn up for hearings.
majority did not want to hear what Chris Finlayson may have said -
much better to just over-ride the other members of the committee and
stop them voting for three weeks, and impose a fine of 21 days pay -
they were treated less fairly than in any court in the country . . .
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 03:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 22:51:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbsolutely Crash, I would be extremely disappointed if they were not treated >>the same. That is the difference, I do not want special treatment for any >>culture and nor do you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2025/06/a-parliamentary-lynching.html >>>>>
A parliamentary lynchingThank you, I always enjoy a good laugh. The faux outrage was funny and your >>>>embellishment was even funnier.
I have spent the afternoon watching the debate on the outrageous and >>>>>anti-democratic privileges committee report on Hana-Rawhiti >>>>>Maipi-Clarke, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer, and Rawiri Waititi. And after >>>>>three hours, Waititi moved closure to get it over with. The >>>>>government, which used its majority on the privileges committee to >>>>>recommend an unprecedented punishment of Maori MPs for being Maori, >>>>>has just used its majority to suspend them for 7, 21, and 21 days >>>>>respectively.
I could talk about a dark day for our democracy, and so on, but fuck >>>>>that. This is nothing less than a parliamentary lynching. The >>>>>silencing of Maori MPs for being Maori violates the fundamentals of >>>>>our democracy, stripping 210,000 people of their representation, >>>>>precisely because it was too effective for the government's taste. Our >>>>>government has now become a shitty Putinist tyranny, and it should be >>>>>treated as such.
As for parliament, by deliberately excluding these MPs, it can no >>>>>longer make any claim to represent Aotearoa. It has lost any shred of >>>>>legitimacy it had. Instead, its just a shitty, colonial, white >>>>>supremacist institution – a Westminster by the sea. Let it burn. >>>>>___________________________________________________
Notable was the reluctance of National MPs to speak - this was a >>>>>Crusher Collins "f-you" to Luxon, telling him and New Zealand that she >>>>>is in charge . . .
The only sad part was the imaginary country that was mentioned, otherwise a >>>>good entry for joke of the day.
Notable also that there is no mention that Parliament, along with >>>democracy, is an invention brought to this country by the invading >>>colonists. Maori MPs are permitted because the earlier colonial >>>government thought that Maori representation would be a good idea and >>>that dedicated seats for Maori should be tried to ensure it.
Parliament is not a Maori institution. Maori culture may be permitted
to take place in Parliament from time to time, but not while >>>Parliamentary processes (such as voting) are in progress and not
without the prior approval of the Speaker.
Make no mistake - all MPs have to abide by Parliamentary rules and the >>>Maori Party MPs broke them with verbal violence and contempt for the >>>institution that is Parliament. I would expect that if any other
group of MPs performed similar actions they would be sanctioned in the >>>same way.
I agree that to change the level of punishment for disorder in the
house is indeed unacceptable - and this is a major objection to the
decision by Judith Collins and her majority of the Committee. To move
from consensus to a majority only decision is a major change that was
not approved by the House prior to the change being made. Collins
trying to copy Trump?
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