The suspension of Maori Party MPs and the follow-on activities is
revealing what was always going to happen eventually: the Maori Party
are an extremist and racist party with no respect for Parliament. This
is explained fairly well by the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/5ay78xcn
Note that there is also a reference to an RNZ article.
The fact of the matter is that Maori invaded NZ earlier than the
Europeans (predominantly British) who colonised this country. Those
with Maori ancestors today (all of which will have some levels of
non-Maori) have abandoned the Maori way of life in favour of what we
have today -they do not live the pre-colonial Maori life.. They may
well continue to observe some of their cultural connections to a
bygone civilisation but make no mistake - our nation is founded on the
values brought here by the colonists. Maori today are a minority as
are those of Asian and Pasifika origins. Maori values such as verbal >violence (aka Haka) do have a cultural significance but must only be
used in ceremonial form. A Haka performed by the All Blacks is one
such ceremonial form, a Haka performed in the debating chamber,
standing on neutral floor areas and physically confronting MPs is not >ceremonial because of its clear message of verbal violence and
threatening behaviour. How would the Maori Party MPs feel if several
other MPs confronted them in the same way? It probably will not
happen because that is not the Kiwi way - we have moved on from
primitive verbal jousting and tribal warfare.
It is also most interesting that the measures that the Maori Party
most objects to are brought to the house by political parties that
have Leaders with Maori ancestry. So this is a political Maori on
Maori stoush that the Maori party can never bee allowed to prevail on.
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 12:59:25 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>No such thing in our parliament, another lie.
wrote:
The suspension of Maori Party MPs and the follow-on activities is
revealing what was always going to happen eventually: the Maori Party
are an extremist and racist party with no respect for Parliament. This
is explained fairly well by the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/5ay78xcn
Note that there is also a reference to an RNZ article.
Note also that the article starts with a lie - the haka did not start
until after all votes had been given - it did not hold up voting at
all - all parties had voted before the haka was started - it cannot
have intimidated votes that were already cast. A small point but
typical of the lies spread by the far-right.
The Centrist is theYou really are desperate. All you have is abuse. Shame on you.
latest incarnation of a number of websites originating with the NZ
Taxpayers Union / Atlas Network - funded by the millions that the
government has delivered to those already wealthy, but the far-right
cannot abide RNZ which sees through such transparent partisan lies.
ACT and National are hoping that these issues distract from the real
horror of the Regulatory Standards Bill being pushed by Seymour and
Luxon - they may need to make massive changes to get Winston Peters to
go along with it . . .
The fact of the matter is that Maori invaded NZ earlier than the
Europeans (predominantly British) who colonised this country. Those
with Maori ancestors today (all of which will have some levels of >>non-Maori) have abandoned the Maori way of life in favour of what we
have today -they do not live the pre-colonial Maori life.. They may
well continue to observe some of their cultural connections to a
bygone civilisation but make no mistake - our nation is founded on the >>values brought here by the colonists. Maori today are a minority as
are those of Asian and Pasifika origins. Maori values such as verbal >>violence (aka Haka) do have a cultural significance but must only be
used in ceremonial form. A Haka performed by the All Blacks is one
such ceremonial form, a Haka performed in the debating chamber,
standing on neutral floor areas and physically confronting MPs is not >>ceremonial because of its clear message of verbal violence and
threatening behaviour. How would the Maori Party MPs feel if several
other MPs confronted them in the same way? It probably will not
happen because that is not the Kiwi way - we have moved on from
primitive verbal jousting and tribal warfare.
It is also most interesting that the measures that the Maori Party
most objects to are brought to the house by political parties that
have Leaders with Maori ancestry. So this is a political Maori on
Maori stoush that the Maori party can never bee allowed to prevail on.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course we have votes in parliament, and if you watch a video of the
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 12:59:25 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:No such thing in our parliament, another lie.
The suspension of Maori Party MPs and the follow-on activities is >>>revealing what was always going to happen eventually: the Maori Party >>>are an extremist and racist party with no respect for Parliament. This
is explained fairly well by the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/5ay78xcn
Note that there is also a reference to an RNZ article.
Note also that the article starts with a lie - the haka did not start
until after all votes had been given - it did not hold up voting at
all - all parties had voted before the haka was started - it cannot
have intimidated votes that were already cast. A small point but
typical of the lies spread by the far-right.
Watch for example: https://melanienelson.substack.com/p/geoff-bertram-what-the-regulatoryThe Centrist is theYou really are desperate. All you have is abuse. Shame on you.
latest incarnation of a number of websites originating with the NZ >>Taxpayers Union / Atlas Network - funded by the millions that the >>government has delivered to those already wealthy, but the far-right
cannot abide RNZ which sees through such transparent partisan lies.
ACT and National are hoping that these issues distract from the real
horror of the Regulatory Standards Bill being pushed by Seymour and
Luxon - they may need to make massive changes to get Winston Peters to
go along with it . . .
The fact of the matter is that Maori invaded NZ earlier than the >>>Europeans (predominantly British) who colonised this country. Those
with Maori ancestors today (all of which will have some levels of >>>non-Maori) have abandoned the Maori way of life in favour of what we
have today -they do not live the pre-colonial Maori life.. They may
well continue to observe some of their cultural connections to a
bygone civilisation but make no mistake - our nation is founded on the >>>values brought here by the colonists. Maori today are a minority as
are those of Asian and Pasifika origins. Maori values such as verbal >>>violence (aka Haka) do have a cultural significance but must only be
used in ceremonial form. A Haka performed by the All Blacks is one
such ceremonial form, a Haka performed in the debating chamber,
standing on neutral floor areas and physically confronting MPs is not >>>ceremonial because of its clear message of verbal violence and >>>threatening behaviour. How would the Maori Party MPs feel if several >>>other MPs confronted them in the same way? It probably will not
happen because that is not the Kiwi way - we have moved on from
primitive verbal jousting and tribal warfare.
It is also most interesting that the measures that the Maori Party
most objects to are brought to the house by political parties that
have Leaders with Maori ancestry. So this is a political Maori on
Maori stoush that the Maori party can never bee allowed to prevail on.
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 08:01:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course we don't have far right politics in parliament,
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 12:59:25 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:No such thing in our parliament, another lie.
The suspension of Maori Party MPs and the follow-on activities is >>>>revealing what was always going to happen eventually: the Maori Party >>>>are an extremist and racist party with no respect for Parliament. This >>>>is explained fairly well by the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/5ay78xcn
Note that there is also a reference to an RNZ article.
Note also that the article starts with a lie - the haka did not start >>>until after all votes had been given - it did not hold up voting at
all - all parties had voted before the haka was started - it cannot
have intimidated votes that were already cast. A small point but
typical of the lies spread by the far-right.
what was I thinking of.
Watch for example: >https://melanienelson.substack.com/p/geoff-bertram-what-the-regulatoryThe Centrist is theYou really are desperate. All you have is abuse. Shame on you.
latest incarnation of a number of websites originating with the NZ >>>Taxpayers Union / Atlas Network - funded by the millions that the >>>government has delivered to those already wealthy, but the far-right >>>cannot abide RNZ which sees through such transparent partisan lies.
ACT and National are hoping that these issues distract from the real >>>horror of the Regulatory Standards Bill being pushed by Seymour and
Luxon - they may need to make massive changes to get Winston Peters to
go along with it . . .
or read: >https://werewolf.co.nz/2025/06/gordon-campbell-on-why-the-regulatory-standards-bill-should-be-dumped/
The fact of the matter is that Maori invaded NZ earlier than the >>>>Europeans (predominantly British) who colonised this country. Those >>>>with Maori ancestors today (all of which will have some levels of >>>>non-Maori) have abandoned the Maori way of life in favour of what we >>>>have today -they do not live the pre-colonial Maori life.. They may >>>>well continue to observe some of their cultural connections to a
bygone civilisation but make no mistake - our nation is founded on the >>>>values brought here by the colonists. Maori today are a minority as >>>>are those of Asian and Pasifika origins. Maori values such as verbal >>>>violence (aka Haka) do have a cultural significance but must only be >>>>used in ceremonial form. A Haka performed by the All Blacks is one >>>>such ceremonial form, a Haka performed in the debating chamber, >>>>standing on neutral floor areas and physically confronting MPs is not >>>>ceremonial because of its clear message of verbal violence and >>>>threatening behaviour. How would the Maori Party MPs feel if several >>>>other MPs confronted them in the same way? It probably will not
happen because that is not the Kiwi way - we have moved on from >>>>primitive verbal jousting and tribal warfare.
It is also most interesting that the measures that the Maori Party
most objects to are brought to the house by political parties that
have Leaders with Maori ancestry. So this is a political Maori on >>>>Maori stoush that the Maori party can never bee allowed to prevail on.
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 12:59:25 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
The suspension of Maori Party MPs and the follow-on activities is
revealing what was always going to happen eventually: the Maori Party
are an extremist and racist party with no respect for Parliament. This
is explained fairly well by the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/5ay78xcn
Note that there is also a reference to an RNZ article.
Note also that the article starts with a lie - the haka did not start
until after all votes had been given - it did not hold up voting at
all - all parties had voted before the haka was started - it cannot
have intimidated votes that were already cast.
A small point but
typical of the lies spread by the far-right. The Centrist is the
latest incarnation of a number of websites originating with the NZ
Taxpayers Union / Atlas Network - funded by the millions that the
government has delivered to those already wealthy, but the far-right
cannot abide RNZ which sees through such transparent partisan lies.
ACT and National are hoping that these issues distract from the real
horror of the Regulatory Standards Bill being pushed by Seymour and
Luxon - they may need to make massive changes to get Winston Peters to
go along with it . . .
The fact of the matter is that Maori invaded NZ earlier than the
Europeans (predominantly British) who colonised this country. Those
with Maori ancestors today (all of which will have some levels of >>non-Maori) have abandoned the Maori way of life in favour of what we
have today -they do not live the pre-colonial Maori life.. They may
well continue to observe some of their cultural connections to a
bygone civilisation but make no mistake - our nation is founded on the >>values brought here by the colonists. Maori today are a minority as
are those of Asian and Pasifika origins. Maori values such as verbal >>violence (aka Haka) do have a cultural significance but must only be
used in ceremonial form. A Haka performed by the All Blacks is one
such ceremonial form, a Haka performed in the debating chamber,
standing on neutral floor areas and physically confronting MPs is not >>ceremonial because of its clear message of verbal violence and
threatening behaviour. How would the Maori Party MPs feel if several
other MPs confronted them in the same way? It probably will not
happen because that is not the Kiwi way - we have moved on from
primitive verbal jousting and tribal warfare.
It is also most interesting that the measures that the Maori Party
most objects to are brought to the house by political parties that
have Leaders with Maori ancestry. So this is a political Maori on
Maori stoush that the Maori party can never bee allowed to prevail on.
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 17:48:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 12:59:25 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
The suspension of Maori Party MPs and the follow-on activities is >>>revealing what was always going to happen eventually: the Maori Party >>>are an extremist and racist party with no respect for Parliament. This
is explained fairly well by the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/5ay78xcn
Note that there is also a reference to an RNZ article.
Note also that the article starts with a lie - the haka did not start
until after all votes had been given - it did not hold up voting at
all - all parties had voted before the haka was started - it cannot
have intimidated votes that were already cast.
Can you find a cite to support this? I have read 4 or 5 articles on
what happened and all of them assert that the vote was still in
progress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25AUCNZKEnY&ab_channel=AssociatedPress
A small point butYou really are a political desperate Rich. This is all worthless
typical of the lies spread by the far-right. The Centrist is the
latest incarnation of a number of websites originating with the NZ >>Taxpayers Union / Atlas Network - funded by the millions that the >>government has delivered to those already wealthy, but the far-right
cannot abide RNZ which sees through such transparent partisan lies.
ACT and National are hoping that these issues distract from the real
horror of the Regulatory Standards Bill being pushed by Seymour and
Luxon - they may need to make massive changes to get Winston Peters to
go along with it . . .
conjecture and unrelated to this thread, where I assert that Maori
custom has no place in Parliament on the floor of the debating
chamber. You have wandered off into another world.
The fact of the matter is that Maori invaded NZ earlier than the >>>Europeans (predominantly British) who colonised this country. Those
with Maori ancestors today (all of which will have some levels of >>>non-Maori) have abandoned the Maori way of life in favour of what we
have today -they do not live the pre-colonial Maori life.. They may
well continue to observe some of their cultural connections to a
bygone civilisation but make no mistake - our nation is founded on the >>>values brought here by the colonists. Maori today are a minority as
are those of Asian and Pasifika origins. Maori values such as verbal >>>violence (aka Haka) do have a cultural significance but must only be
used in ceremonial form. A Haka performed by the All Blacks is one
such ceremonial form, a Haka performed in the debating chamber,
standing on neutral floor areas and physically confronting MPs is not >>>ceremonial because of its clear message of verbal violence and >>>threatening behaviour. How would the Maori Party MPs feel if several >>>other MPs confronted them in the same way? It probably will not
happen because that is not the Kiwi way - we have moved on from
primitive verbal jousting and tribal warfare.
It is also most interesting that the measures that the Maori Party
most objects to are brought to the house by political parties that
have Leaders with Maori ancestry. So this is a political Maori on
Maori stoush that the Maori party can never bee allowed to prevail on.
On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 16:38:06 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 17:48:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 12:59:25 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
The suspension of Maori Party MPs and the follow-on activities is >>>>revealing what was always going to happen eventually: the Maori Party >>>>are an extremist and racist party with no respect for Parliament. This >>>>is explained fairly well by the Centrist:
https://tinyurl.com/5ay78xcn
Note that there is also a reference to an RNZ article.
Note also that the article starts with a lie - the haka did not start >>>until after all votes had been given - it did not hold up voting at
all - all parties had voted before the haka was started - it cannot
have intimidated votes that were already cast.
Can you find a cite to support this? I have read 4 or 5 articles on
what happened and all of them assert that the vote was still in
progress. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25AUCNZKEnY&ab_channel=AssociatedPress
You may be aware that when a vote is taken each party gives the number
of votes either for or against, and the last party to advise votes is
the Maori Party. In this video you can see the Maori Party vote being
given, followed by the haka. So all votes had been advised to the
Clerk of the House before the haka started. Since the vote was clearly
on party lines, it was obvious what the totals were going to be, but >technically the haka delayed the official advise to the Speaker by the
clerk, and the declaration of the speaker - but the haka cannot have >influenced in any way the votes advised by any party. I too have been
annoyed at the mis-representation - as I said below it is a small
issue but typical of the lies . . .
A small point butYou really are a political desperate Rich. This is all worthless >>conjecture and unrelated to this thread, where I assert that Maori
typical of the lies spread by the far-right. The Centrist is the
latest incarnation of a number of websites originating with the NZ >>>Taxpayers Union / Atlas Network - funded by the millions that the >>>government has delivered to those already wealthy, but the far-right >>>cannot abide RNZ which sees through such transparent partisan lies.
ACT and National are hoping that these issues distract from the real >>>horror of the Regulatory Standards Bill being pushed by Seymour and
Luxon - they may need to make massive changes to get Winston Peters to
go along with it . . .
custom has no place in Parliament on the floor of the debating
chamber. You have wandered off into another world.
The fact of the matter is that Maori invaded NZ earlier than the >>>>Europeans (predominantly British) who colonised this country. Those >>>>with Maori ancestors today (all of which will have some levels of >>>>non-Maori) have abandoned the Maori way of life in favour of what we >>>>have today -they do not live the pre-colonial Maori life.. They may >>>>well continue to observe some of their cultural connections to a
bygone civilisation but make no mistake - our nation is founded on the >>>>values brought here by the colonists. Maori today are a minority as >>>>are those of Asian and Pasifika origins. Maori values such as verbal >>>>violence (aka Haka) do have a cultural significance but must only be >>>>used in ceremonial form. A Haka performed by the All Blacks is one >>>>such ceremonial form, a Haka performed in the debating chamber, >>>>standing on neutral floor areas and physically confronting MPs is not >>>>ceremonial because of its clear message of verbal violence and >>>>threatening behaviour. How would the Maori Party MPs feel if several >>>>other MPs confronted them in the same way? It probably will not
happen because that is not the Kiwi way - we have moved on from >>>>primitive verbal jousting and tribal warfare.
It is also most interesting that the measures that the Maori Party
most objects to are brought to the house by political parties that
have Leaders with Maori ancestry. So this is a political Maori on >>>>Maori stoush that the Maori party can never bee allowed to prevail on.
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