• Maori vs Maori - a good takedown

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 8 20:55:18 2025
    On Facebook today, a post from Shane Jones:



    The Paati Maori dog and pony show drew to an end last Thursday. Three
    of their members were suspended. The co leaders Rawiri and Debbie
    have thankfully disappeared for 21 days.

    Unfortunately they have taken down the youngest MP from the Tainui
    Waikato electorate. The leadership of the Maori Party should have
    protected this Tiktok celebrity. The marae elders know a shooting
    star is called Iwiwehea, it burns brightly and soon disappears.
    They have set a terrible example and abused their voters.
    Trust is a precious political commodity but it ebbs in the face of
    egotism and selfishness. Now watch the tide turn against these
    political vandals. They will learn the full meaning of the proverb,
    “pride comes before fall”.

    This duo have done a great deal of harm to the cause of Maori
    representation. Their mana puffing and separatism is selling iwi
    short. They have poisoned the well of good-will. They refuse to
    accept responsibility for their failings. They have made themselves
    out to be victims. but the real casualties are the voters who backed
    them. They refuse to apologise. Perversely they complain that no one
    asked them to apologise.

    The true Rangatira understands whakaiti/humility. They do not wait to
    be told to do the right thing. Whakakake means to be stiff necked and conceited. This is not the stance of a positive role model. Such an
    approach invites disaster.

    How will Maori voters react?

    The vast majority of Maori are weary of their contrived b-grade,
    haka-boogy strutting. They smell poka noa and tinihanga, artificial
    and fake conduct. Hustlers like this will never be entrusted with
    power by their fellow citizens.

    The marae elders are sad however that the legacy of Tariana Turia and
    Dr Pita Sharples has been trashed. Is it possible that these
    political delinquents will take the time to ‘noho whakatiki’, reflect, deliberate and weigh up the interests of the Maori community over
    their own egos? The signs are not positive. These political culprits
    live within an echo chamber of mirrors.

    During the next 21 days, political life will move on. Matariki will
    emerge, and trees will be planted. The tree of Maori politics has
    many branches. Time for voters to begin pruning and cut away the
    diseased limbs.

    To do any less will lead to electoral die back.

    <<<<<

    Dammit Shane Jones - you and Winston are mostly political show ponies
    but you have nailed a gem of observation here.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 8 22:44:08 2025
    On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 20:55:18 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Facebook today, a post from Shane Jones:



    The Paati Maori dog and pony show drew to an end last Thursday. Three
    of their members were suspended. The co leaders Rawiri and Debbie
    have thankfully disappeared for 21 days.

    Unfortunately they have taken down the youngest MP from the Tainui
    Waikato electorate. The leadership of the Maori Party should have
    protected this Tiktok celebrity. The marae elders know a shooting
    star is called Iwiwehea, it burns brightly and soon disappears.
    They have set a terrible example and abused their voters.
    Trust is a precious political commodity but it ebbs in the face of
    egotism and selfishness. Now watch the tide turn against these
    political vandals. They will learn the full meaning of the proverb,
    “pride comes before fall”.

    This duo have done a great deal of harm to the cause of Maori
    representation. Their mana puffing and separatism is selling iwi
    short. They have poisoned the well of good-will. They refuse to
    accept responsibility for their failings. They have made themselves
    out to be victims. but the real casualties are the voters who backed
    them. They refuse to apologise. Perversely they complain that no one
    asked them to apologise.

    The true Rangatira understands whakaiti/humility. They do not wait to
    be told to do the right thing. Whakakake means to be stiff necked and >conceited. This is not the stance of a positive role model. Such an
    approach invites disaster.

    How will Maori voters react?

    The vast majority of Maori are weary of their contrived b-grade,
    haka-boogy strutting. They smell poka noa and tinihanga, artificial
    and fake conduct. Hustlers like this will never be entrusted with
    power by their fellow citizens.

    The marae elders are sad however that the legacy of Tariana Turia and
    Dr Pita Sharples has been trashed. Is it possible that these
    political delinquents will take the time to ‘noho whakatiki’, reflect, >deliberate and weigh up the interests of the Maori community over
    their own egos? The signs are not positive. These political culprits
    live within an echo chamber of mirrors.

    During the next 21 days, political life will move on. Matariki will
    emerge, and trees will be planted. The tree of Maori politics has
    many branches. Time for voters to begin pruning and cut away the
    diseased limbs.

    To do any less will lead to electoral die back.

    <<<<<

    Dammit Shane Jones - you and Winston are mostly political show ponies
    but you have nailed a gem of observation here.

    Shane showed his skill at speaking in the budget debate; I do wonder
    who wrote it for him; it certainly takes a different view of what was
    actually said and what Maori voters are likely to think, and is
    radically different from the sort of speech Shane Jones usually gives
    - from the NZ First perspective a fair effort, but unlikely to save
    the diseased limbs of NZ First . . .

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 9 16:41:59 2025
    On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 22:44:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 08 Jun 2025 20:55:18 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Facebook today, a post from Shane Jones:



    The Paati Maori dog and pony show drew to an end last Thursday. Three
    of their members were suspended. The co leaders Rawiri and Debbie
    have thankfully disappeared for 21 days.

    Unfortunately they have taken down the youngest MP from the Tainui
    Waikato electorate. The leadership of the Maori Party should have >>protected this Tiktok celebrity. The marae elders know a shooting
    star is called Iwiwehea, it burns brightly and soon disappears.
    They have set a terrible example and abused their voters.
    Trust is a precious political commodity but it ebbs in the face of
    egotism and selfishness. Now watch the tide turn against these
    political vandals. They will learn the full meaning of the proverb,
    “pride comes before fall”.

    This duo have done a great deal of harm to the cause of Maori >>representation. Their mana puffing and separatism is selling iwi
    short. They have poisoned the well of good-will. They refuse to
    accept responsibility for their failings. They have made themselves
    out to be victims. but the real casualties are the voters who backed
    them. They refuse to apologise. Perversely they complain that no one
    asked them to apologise.

    The true Rangatira understands whakaiti/humility. They do not wait to
    be told to do the right thing. Whakakake means to be stiff necked and >>conceited. This is not the stance of a positive role model. Such an >>approach invites disaster.

    How will Maori voters react?

    The vast majority of Maori are weary of their contrived b-grade,
    haka-boogy strutting. They smell poka noa and tinihanga, artificial
    and fake conduct. Hustlers like this will never be entrusted with
    power by their fellow citizens.

    The marae elders are sad however that the legacy of Tariana Turia and
    Dr Pita Sharples has been trashed. Is it possible that these
    political delinquents will take the time to ‘noho whakatiki’, reflect, >>deliberate and weigh up the interests of the Maori community over
    their own egos? The signs are not positive. These political culprits
    live within an echo chamber of mirrors.

    During the next 21 days, political life will move on. Matariki will
    emerge, and trees will be planted. The tree of Maori politics has
    many branches. Time for voters to begin pruning and cut away the
    diseased limbs.

    To do any less will lead to electoral die back.

    <<<<<

    Dammit Shane Jones - you and Winston are mostly political show ponies
    but you have nailed a gem of observation here.

    Shane showed his skill at speaking in the budget debate; I do wonder
    who wrote it for him; it certainly takes a different view of what was >actually said and what Maori voters are likely to think, and is
    radically different from the sort of speech Shane Jones usually gives
    - from the NZ First perspective a fair effort, but unlikely to save
    the diseased limbs of NZ First . . .

    So you have no comment about what Shane Jones said about the Maori
    Party MPs?


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