On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 19:50:43 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/48rxrmbb
This is party politics at play - with Labour competing with the Maori
Party - but nonetheless there is some sanity coming in to play with
some parts of Maoridom
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the
three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only
half of what he said.
The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not
to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka
- it was a protest against the deliberate racism of the Government
parties - illustrated by the anti-Maori speeches given by MPs from all
three parties with their excessive anti-Maori rhetoric.
This is no new "coming to play' but old news re-hashed by a far-right >propaganda website, who may be "centrist" in relation to the far-right >interests that it supports, but it is really cheap further attacks on
Te Pati Maori.
With hindsight, Te Pati Maori probably should have raised in the house
the desirability of Parliament being a safe place for the
demonstration of interests of different cultural and racial groups - >expression of concern can be made, as it was in this case, in a way
that reflects the cultural heritage of different peoples that make up
our nation - we are not as an ACT MP Claimed a wholly British society,
and parliament should represent all New Zealanders, whether they come
from Maori, Indian or Pakeha backgrounds. The appropriate use of a
Haka for both celebration and as a challenge (as it is given in our
society) should not be cause for anger and recriminations and blatant
racism as represented by "The Centrist." They did not make those >representations first however, and it is reasonable to ask first why
it provoked such a strong reaction as to discredit the role of New
Zealand in working in harmony with different racial and social groups.
The three MPS could also have given a 'false apology' by regretting
the distress that their culture affords the racist members of the
house, but that would have hardly endeared then to those MPs either -
better to just make the demonstration in a way that best represented
the feelings of their constituency - that is after all the real
purpose of their being in parliament.
https://tinyurl.com/48rxrmbb
This is party politics at play - with Labour competing with the Maori
Party - but nonetheless there is some sanity coming in to play with
some parts of Maoridom
https://tinyurl.com/48rxrmbb
This is party politics at play - with Labour competing with the Maori
Party - but nonetheless there is some sanity coming in to play with
some parts of Maoridom
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>All you are doing is asserting that Willie Jackson is consistent when
wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 19:50:43 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/48rxrmbb
This is party politics at play - with Labour competing with the Maori >>>Party - but nonetheless there is some sanity coming in to play with
some parts of Maoridom
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the
three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only
half of what he said.
Wrong. This is an article that the Centrist summarised and cited in
the Herald. It covers an interview Jackson gave to the Herald
columnist. There is no mention of any speech in Parliament and
therefore you cannot be correct.
The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not
to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka
- it was a protest against the deliberate racism of the Government
parties - illustrated by the anti-Maori speeches given by MPs from all >>three parties with their excessive anti-Maori rhetoric.
This is no new "coming to play' but old news re-hashed by a far-right >>propaganda website, who may be "centrist" in relation to the far-right >>interests that it supports, but it is really cheap further attacks on
Te Pati Maori.
With hindsight, Te Pati Maori probably should have raised in the house
the desirability of Parliament being a safe place for the
demonstration of interests of different cultural and racial groups - >>expression of concern can be made, as it was in this case, in a way
that reflects the cultural heritage of different peoples that make up
our nation - we are not as an ACT MP Claimed a wholly British society,
and parliament should represent all New Zealanders, whether they come
from Maori, Indian or Pakeha backgrounds. The appropriate use of a
Haka for both celebration and as a challenge (as it is given in our >>society) should not be cause for anger and recriminations and blatant >>racism as represented by "The Centrist." They did not make those >>representations first however, and it is reasonable to ask first why
it provoked such a strong reaction as to discredit the role of New
Zealand in working in harmony with different racial and social groups.
The three MPS could also have given a 'false apology' by regretting
the distress that their culture affords the racist members of the
house, but that would have hardly endeared then to those MPs either - >>better to just make the demonstration in a way that best represented
the feelings of their constituency - that is after all the real
purpose of their being in parliament.
All off-topic. This is about what Jackson said, not about the antics
of the Maori Party MPs or your thoughts on organisations such as the >Centrist.
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the
three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only
half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not
to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:He didn't, but I did. I should have made that clear.
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the
three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only
half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not
to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka
So where did he say that?
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the
three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only
half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not
to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka
So where did he say that?
He didn't, but I did.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 03:04:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:53:42 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to
the three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but
only half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were
right not to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately
misunderstanding the Haka
So where did he say that?
He didn't, but I did.
You seemed to be implying that he said that the MÄori MPs âwere right
not to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the
Hakaâ. So that was not ârealityâ at all, it was just your claim.
It is as much a reality as any post to nz.general ...
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:53:42 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the
three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only
half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not >>>> to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka
So where did he say that?
He didn't, but I did.
You seemed to be implying that he said that the M?ori MPs were right not
to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka.
So that was not reality at all, it was just your claim.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 17:15:12 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:Which I did, until your reply deleted some of the words I said:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 03:04:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:53:42 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to
the three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but >>>>>> only half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were
right not to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately
misunderstanding the Haka
So where did he say that?
He didn't, but I did.
You seemed to be implying that he said that the M?ori MPs were right
not to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the
Haka. So that was not reality at all, it was just your claim.
It is as much a reality as any post to nz.general ...
Thats not much of an excuse for trying to put words into Willie Jacksons >mouth.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 03:04:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Your view is not widely held, the contrary view is.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:53:42 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave inSo where did he say that?
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the >>>>> three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only >>>>> half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not >>>>> to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka >>>>
He didn't, but I did.
You seemed to be implying that he said that the M?ori MPs were right not >>to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka.
So that was not reality at all, it was just your claim.
It is as much a reality as any post to nz.general - as real as any
other widely held view on this matter.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 03:04:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Your view is not widely held, the contrary view is.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:53:42 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave inSo where did he say that?
Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the >>>>>> three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only >>>>>> half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not >>>>>> to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka >>>>>
He didn't, but I did.
You seemed to be implying that he said that the M?ori MPs were right not >>>to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka. >>>So that was not reality at all, it was just your claim.
It is as much a reality as any post to nz.general - as real as any
other widely held view on this matter.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:39:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyAre you going to see your geriatrician soon? You need to. I snipped nothing.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 03:04:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Your view is not widely held, the contrary view is.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 14:53:42 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 23:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:37:37 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
This is only reporting half of the speech Willie Jackson gave in >>>>>>> Parliament in the debate on the punitive punishment handed out to the >>>>>>> three Maori Party MPs. This is not a new speech by Jackson, but only >>>>>>> half of what he said. The reality is that the Maori MPs were right not >>>>>>> to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka >>>>>>So where did he say that?
He didn't, but I did.
You seemed to be implying that he said that the M?ori MPs were right not >>>>to apologise for the ACT1stNats deliberately misunderstanding the Haka. >>>>So that was not reality at all, it was just your claim.
It is as much a reality as any post to nz.general - as real as any
other widely held view on this matter.
The habit of selective snipping of posts appears to have you getting
more confused than normal, Tony. Take a chill pill, have a sleep and
start again . . .
"He didn't, but I did. I should have made that clear."
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 17:37:10 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
"He didn't, but I did. I should have made that clear."
The fact remains, you didnt make that clear. Accidentally or
deliberately? Your later excuse seemed to suggest it was a habitual kind
of statement for you.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:12:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Your later excuse seemed to suggest it was a habitual kind
of statement for you.
No it is not habitual.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 14:03:32 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:12:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Your later excuse seemed to suggest it was a habitual kind
of statement for you.
No it is not habitual.
You did say It is as much a reality as any post to nz.general, did you
not?
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:12:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Nothing that you or Lawrence could ever post would confuse me. You still have nor cenceded your silly (deliberate?) mistake. And never will methinks.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 17:37:10 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
"He didn't, but I did. I should have made that clear."
The fact remains, you didnt make that clear. Accidentally or
deliberately? Your later excuse seemed to suggest it was a habitual kind
of statement for you.
No it is not habitual. Your selective snipping is getting Tony
confused however.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 02:16:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 14:03:32 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:12:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Your later excuse seemed to suggest it was a habitual kind
of statement for you.
No it is not habitual.
You did say âIt is as much a reality as any post to nz.generalâ, did
you not?
In context, it was appropriate ...
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