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https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/
Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

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On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/
Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 12:41:40 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/
Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't either, but it is worth looking up the Birmingham Institute
of Forest Research - for example one article is here: https://www.redbrick.me/the-birmingham-institute-of-forest-research-free-air-carbon-enrichment/

I was not able to see the conclusions asserted in the link above, but
that is not surprising. I agree with you that higher rainfall and
higher temperatures may also have an effect - quite reasonably it
appears they are measuring effects of single impacts as far as
possible; it would be harder to generally increase temperature;
although higher water supply could be a separate investigation. A look
at the dailysceptic.org site reveals that is not dispassionately
sceptical, but rather a politically biased towards the right - it is
linked to the "Free Speech Union", which appears to be acting in
exactly the same manner as the ACT party version here at the time we
had a Labour-led government - see https://irr.org.uk/article/natcon-and-the-british-war-on-woke-what-you-need-to-know/
from which:
"The American hard Right are coming to the UK – and Europe. But,
unlike in Hungary, where the gathering of Europe’s extreme-right
figures (including the prime ministers of Hungary and Georgia) was an
offshoot of the Trump and Bolsonaro supporting US Conservative
Political Action Conference (CPAC), the National Conservatism
conference in the UK is a project backed by the Washington-based
Edmund Burke Foundation. The NatCon participants may not be so brazen
in supporting white nationalism as their counterparts in CPAC, but
their preoccupations with ‘faith, flag and family’, birth-rates and ‘traditionalism’ also speaks to an Alt-Right and Christian
conservative agenda. Several of the organisations represented at
NatCon, such as Policy Exchange, the Common Sense Society, Free Speech
Union and the Legatum Institute, have been linked to the Atlas
Network, an integrated pro-corporate network which grew out of the
UK-based Institute of Economic Affairs and has received funding from
US billionaire and right-wing libertarian Charles Koch.

Like CPAC Hungary’s ‘No Woke Zone’, NatCon 2023 speakers regularly
decried ‘woke dogma’ as an existential threat to society. Many of them
feature in a crucial new Race & Class article, An anatomy of the
British war on woke by Huw C. Davies and Sheena E. MacRae. Davies and
MacRae show how motifs such as ‘cultural marxism’, ‘critical race
theory’ and ‘woke ideology’ are framed as pseudo-religions that pose a
threat to ‘western civilisation’, generating a modern moral panic
about perceived left-wing cultural hegemony."
________________

One thing that far-right do well is share their extreme ideas well
with sympathisers in other countries - sadly some do not realise that organisations such as "dailysceptic.org" are far from sceptical in
relation to pushing the interests of the far-right . . .

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 12:41:40 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >>temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't either, but it is worth looking up the Birmingham Institute
of Forest Research - for example one article is here: >https://www.redbrick.me/the-birmingham-institute-of-forest-research-free-air-carbon-enrichment/

I was not able to see the conclusions asserted in the link above, but
that is not surprising. I agree with you that higher rainfall and
higher temperatures may also have an effect - quite reasonably it
appears they are measuring effects of single impacts as far as
possible; it would be harder to generally increase temperature;
although higher water supply could be a separate investigation. A look
at the dailysceptic.org site reveals that is not dispassionately
sceptical, but rather a politically biased towards the right - it is
linked to the "Free Speech Union", which appears to be acting in
exactly the same manner as the ACT party version here at the time we
had a Labour-led government - see >https://irr.org.uk/article/natcon-and-the-british-war-on-woke-what-you-need-to-know/
from which:
"The American hard Right are coming to the UK – and Europe. But,
unlike in Hungary, where the gathering of Europe’s extreme-right
figures (including the prime ministers of Hungary and Georgia) was an >offshoot of the Trump and Bolsonaro supporting US Conservative
Political Action Conference (CPAC), the National Conservatism
conference in the UK is a project backed by the Washington-based
Edmund Burke Foundation. The NatCon participants may not be so brazen
in supporting white nationalism as their counterparts in CPAC, but
their preoccupations with ‘faith, flag and family’, birth-rates and >‘traditionalism’ also speaks to an Alt-Right and Christian
conservative agenda. Several of the organisations represented at
NatCon, such as Policy Exchange, the Common Sense Society, Free Speech
Union and the Legatum Institute, have been linked to the Atlas
Network, an integrated pro-corporate network which grew out of the
UK-based Institute of Economic Affairs and has received funding from
US billionaire and right-wing libertarian Charles Koch.

Like CPAC Hungary’s ‘No Woke Zone’, NatCon 2023 speakers regularly
decried ‘woke dogma’ as an existential threat to society. Many of them >feature in a crucial new Race & Class article, An anatomy of the
British war on woke by Huw C. Davies and Sheena E. MacRae. Davies and
MacRae show how motifs such as ‘cultural marxism’, ‘critical race
theory’ and ‘woke ideology’ are framed as pseudo-religions that pose a
threat to ‘western civilisation’, generating a modern moral panic
about perceived left-wing cultural hegemony."
________________

One thing that far-right do well is share their extreme ideas well
with sympathisers in other countries - sadly some do not realise that >organisations such as "dailysceptic.org" are far from sceptical in
relation to pushing the interests of the far-right . . .

Almost totally off topic. Are you still in a joking mood? If so, you need some assistance, because you are a very slow learner.

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greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't see the article as being all-encompassing. It is however consistent with science.
See https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
and https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-plants-do-better-environments-very-high-co2
and https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Clearly not all scientists believe it (true of most matters) but at least my post is consistent with the views of many.

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >>temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't see the article as being all-encompassing. It is however consistent >with science.
See >https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
and >https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-plants-do-better-environments-very-high-co2
and >https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Clearly not all scientists believe it (true of most matters) but at least my >post is consistent with the views of many.

Congratulations on looking for real evidence - as those articles show
there are still real problems ahead - quite a contrast to the article
you initially referred to which included: _______________________________________________

"If running scared of CO2 is your political thing, this news should be
most welcome. Tree planting is all the virtuous rage to justify elite ‘business-as-usual’ lifestyles, but the heavy and natural greening of
the planet is not generally mentioned in polite mainstream society.
Carbon dioxide is seen as a ‘devil gas’ and the need to promote the
Net Zero fantasy leads to an odd and skewed understanding of its
benefits. In the UK, this has led to the Mad Miliband setting up a
ridiculous scheme to ‘capture’ pitiful amounts of CO2 and lock it up
for ever more at a cost of £22 billion.

At least regular readers of the Daily Sceptic are not remaining
uninformed about the staggering amounts of vegetation growth and de-desertification that is occurring as CO2 levels show a small
recovery from the near-death experience in recent historical times.
Recently, two scientists in Spain found a “striking” growth in global
greening. A significant portion of Earth’s terrestrial land surface
was said to show a measurable increase in vegetation cover over the
last four decades. Meanwhile, crop yields have soared in the last 60
years helped by hydrocarbon-produced fertiliser and increased CO2,
while deserts are reducing in places such as the southern Sahara.
While kids in the Western world are sent to bed crying with their
brainwashed heads full of Attenborough-style agitprop, at least many
children in less developed parts of the world have slightly fuller
bellies.

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor." _______________________________________________

Doubtless however you will not see the irony in the description of the
author as "the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor." . . .

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >>>temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't see the article as being all-encompassing. It is however consistent >>with science.
See >>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
and >>https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-plants-do-better-environments-very-high-co2
and >>https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Clearly not all scientists believe it (true of most matters) but at least my >>post is consistent with the views of many.

Congratulations on looking for real evidence.

Your sarcsam disqualifies you from being taken seriously. Therefore all crap now gone for a while.

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On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 22:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >>>>temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't see the article as being all-encompassing. It is however consistent >>>with science.
See >>>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
and >>>https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-plants-do-better-environments-very-high-co2
and >>>https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Clearly not all scientists believe it (true of most matters) but at least my >>>post is consistent with the views of many.

Congratulations on looking for real evidence.

Your sarcsam disqualifies you from being taken seriously. Therefore all crap >now gone for a while.

It was genuine congratulations! No sarcasm at all. For once you were
reading more widely than Atlas Network connected sites!

The extract from that original reference you gave indicated that they
were using one part of the scientific work being undertaken to
minimise the dangers of climate change, and to attack those with a
wider view. Certainly in New Zealand we are aware of the greater
prevalence of flooding and related destruction, as well as the damage
being caused to infrastructure such as provision of adequate water and
sewage systems. Temperatures in Europe at present are also a concern .
. .

So don't put yourself down, Tony - you are capable of thinking for
yourself. My congratulations were genuine.

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On 2025-07-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >>>temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't see the article as being all-encompassing. It is however consistent >>with science.
See >>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
and >>https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-plants-do-better-environments-very-high-co2
and >>https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Clearly not all scientists believe it (true of most matters) but at least my >>post is consistent with the views of many.

Congratulations on looking for real evidence - as those articles show
there are still real problems ahead - quite a contrast to the article
you initially referred to which included: _______________________________________________

"If running scared of CO2 is your political thing, this news should be
most welcome. Tree planting is all the virtuous rage to justify elite ‘business-as-usual’ lifestyles, but the heavy and natural greening of
the planet is not generally mentioned in polite mainstream society.
Carbon dioxide is seen as a ‘devil gas’ and the need to promote the
Net Zero fantasy leads to an odd and skewed understanding of its
benefits. In the UK, this has led to the Mad Miliband setting up a
ridiculous scheme to ‘capture’ pitiful amounts of CO2 and lock it up
for ever more at a cost of £22 billion.

At least regular readers of the Daily Sceptic are not remaining
uninformed about the staggering amounts of vegetation growth and de-desertification that is occurring as CO2 levels show a small
recovery from the near-death experience in recent historical times.
Recently, two scientists in Spain found a “striking” growth in global greening. A significant portion of Earth’s terrestrial land surface
was said to show a measurable increase in vegetation cover over the
last four decades.

As there is a large land area and 40 years in the study, it bcomes harder to argue that the all this extra growth is caused by water. Some areas and
years will have wetter than normal years and at other times dryer but the average will be the same.

The trees will grow faster in the wet years, shown by a greater distance in
the tree rings, The higher levels of CO2 will allow the tree to grow faster
in the dry periods as the trees do not require as much water to extract a
given anount of CO2.

Meanwhile, crop yields have soared in the last 60
years helped by hydrocarbon-produced fertiliser and increased CO2,
while deserts are reducing in places such as the southern Sahara.

This is the so called the Great Green wall of Africa.

While kids in the Western world are sent to bed crying with their
brainwashed heads full of Attenborough-style agitprop, at least many
children in less developed parts of the world have slightly fuller
bellies.

Chris Morrison is the Daily ScepticÂ’s Environment Editor." _______________________________________________

Doubtless however you will not see the irony in the description of the
author as "the Daily ScepticÂ’s Environment Editor." . . .

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Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 22:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >>>>>>temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't see the article as being all-encompassing. It is however >>>>>consistent
with science.
See >>>>>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
and >>>>>https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-plants-do-better-environments-very-high-co2
and >>>>>https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Clearly not all scientists believe it (true of most matters) but at least >>>>>my
post is consistent with the views of many.

Congratulations on looking for real evidence.

Your sarcsam disqualifies you from being taken seriously. Therefore all crap >>>now gone for a while.

Bullshit gone.

Correction - bullshit and abusive sarcasm gone.
Rich is one of life's losers, but has yet to recognise that irrefutable fact.

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 22:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/25 08:00, Tony wrote:

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/06/25/trees-get-bigger-around-the-world-thanks-to-higher-co2-levels/

Interesting stuff, trees aren't political thank goodness.

Hmmm........ call me a sceptic thanks.

Don't see any evidence that they considered higher rainfall or higher >>>>>temperatures as possible factors in the increased growth rates.

gb

I didn't see the article as being all-encompassing. It is however >>>>consistent
with science.
See >>>>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/
and >>>>https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/dont-plants-do-better-environments-very-high-co2
and >>>>https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/27/how-climate-change-will-affect-plants/

Clearly not all scientists believe it (true of most matters) but at least >>>>my
post is consistent with the views of many.

Congratulations on looking for real evidence.

Your sarcsam disqualifies you from being taken seriously. Therefore all crap >>now gone for a while.

Bullshit gone.

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On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 10:56:58 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

The extract from that original reference you gave indicated that they
were using one part of the scientific work being undertaken to
minimise the dangers of climate change,

What dangers?

Bill.

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