https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/hospitals-not-viruses-what-really

This is a study which is showing that the response to the Covid-19 pandemic
was worse than the disease. From lockdowns to ICU.

Those that think will find this interesting. It ties into, and extends the affect of the Official Covid narrative.

In short this is unlikely to appear in the main stream media.

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On 28 Jun 2025 22:40:52 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/hospitals-not-viruses-what-really

This is a study which is showing that the response to the Covid-19 pandemic >was worse than the disease. From lockdowns to ICU.

Those that think will find this interesting. It ties into, and extends the >affect of the Official Covid narrative.

In short this is unlikely to appear in the main stream media.

Sadly the study appears to start with a hypothesis and ignore reality
- the "study" shows a lot of pretty charts, often not well labeled,
that do not lead to the conclusions above - indeed it shows that
contamination from travel was significant, but little else. There is
no evidence that deaths related to hospital treatment; we know that
death rates were higher in some countries where hospitals are not as
readily accessible, and certainly no evidence was shown for deaths
being caused by mechanical ventilation. The "report" appears to have
cherry picked jurisdictions with fairly open land-access to other
legal jurisdictions, leading to cross infection being very much harder
than for isolated countries like New Zealand. Even for New Zealand
however it may well be that a high percentage of deaths occur in
hospitals or places with medical staff in attendance - but that does
not indicate causation.

New Zealand was able to miss much of the infection through travel from
outside New Zealand - but still some infection came through our border
both by sea and air. We also had a fairly high proportion of deaths in hospitals or similar facilities such as rest homes - there death rates
were high due to low resistance to infection; most retirement villages
and rest home organisations took much greater care about reducing
visitors than applied to private dwellings. India is a country with a
lower spread of hospitals, but they still had fairly high infection
and death rates - poverty and living with a higher population density
did mean it was harder to avoid infection.

I agree that the report is unlikely top appear in either public media
or scientific publications - perhaps there is a reason for that . . .

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Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/hospitals-not-viruses-what-really

This is a study which is showing that the response to the Covid-19 pandemic >was worse than the disease. From lockdowns to ICU.

Those that think will find this interesting. It ties into, and extends the >affect of the Official Covid narrative.

In short this is unlikely to appear in the main stream media.

Thank you Gordon, I note that the only other response was in fact a lame attempt at humour. Those that find this topic funny or believe that we (the government) did a good job will one day learn.

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 21:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/hospitals-not-viruses-what-really

This is a study which is showing that the response to the Covid-19 pandemic >>was worse than the disease. From lockdowns to ICU.

Those that think will find this interesting. It ties into, and extends the >>affect of the Official Covid narrative.

In short this is unlikely to appear in the main stream media.

Thank you Gordon, I note that the only other response was in fact a lame >attempt at humour. Those that find this topic funny or believe that we (the >government) did a good job will one day learn.

Clearly you are running scared, Tony - or perhaps just deliberately
and wilfully ignorant - you could not even answer my post directly.

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 21:47:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/hospitals-not-viruses-what-really

This is a study which is showing that the response to the Covid-19 pandemic >>>was worse than the disease. From lockdowns to ICU.

Those that think will find this interesting. It ties into, and extends the >>>affect of the Official Covid narrative.

In short this is unlikely to appear in the main stream media.

Thank you Gordon, I note that the only other response was in fact a lame >>attempt at humour. Those that find this topic funny or believe that we (the >>government) did a good job will one day learn.

Clearly you are running scared, Tony - or perhaps just deliberately
and wilfully ignorant - you could not even answer my post directly.

Oh I could have but chose not to because it was obviously a joke. I didn't find it funny however, and I doubt anybody else did.
So are you now cringing in embarrassement? If not why this last post?

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Looks like those who suffer from Long COVID are being excluded from
the current inquiry:

<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-inquiry-who-is-being-excluded-from-inquiry-hearings/EVUPLEFHVNCQTJZ564CW54U27U/>

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On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 02:39:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Looks like those who suffer from Long COVID are being excluded from
the current inquiry:

<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-inquiry-who-is-being-excluded-from-inquiry-hearings/EVUPLEFHVNCQTJZ564CW54U27U/>

That is a shame, because it was getting to be recognised as a problem
before restrictions on movement were lifted; some people found a
second infection easier to recover from than the first infection, but increasingly others were finding the second infection to be much
harder to recover from, and sadly those getting multiple infection
were often nurses or hospital workers who were, despite precautions,
still able to be infected.

Regrettably, the danger of multiple infections was increased by the
sustained campaign to object to anything the government did, not
matter what it was - and that was most obvious around the time of the parliamentary protests; many of the deaths then, and now, can be
attributed in part to the propaganda that asserted that vaccination
was dangerous and that the infection was mild - the reality is that we
are still getting deaths each week - there were over 1000 new cases
reported in the last week, and 13 deaths - see: https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-health-professionals/data-and-statistics/covid-19-data/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
So Covid is not far away from as big a problem as deaths from traffic accidents; but currently gets much less funding and attention - the
government needs to be held to account for wrecking peoples lives
through ignoring the problem and pandering to the anti-vaccination
nutters

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On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:17:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 02:39:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Looks like those who suffer from Long COVID are being excluded from
the current inquiry:

<https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-inquiry-who-is-being-excluded-from-inquiry-hearings/EVUPLEFHVNCQTJZ564CW54U27U/>

That is a shame, because it was getting to be recognised as a problem
before restrictions on movement were lifted; some people found a
second infection easier to recover from than the first infection, but >increasingly others were finding the second infection to be much
harder to recover from, and sadly those getting multiple infection
were often nurses or hospital workers who were, despite precautions,
still able to be infected.

I found this article confirming that the ability to catch it more than
once was well known fairly early on: https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

Regrettably, the danger of multiple infections was increased by the
sustained campaign to object to anything the government did, not
matter what it was - and that was most obvious around the time of the >parliamentary protests; many of the deaths then, and now, can be
attributed in part to the propaganda that asserted that vaccination
was dangerous and that the infection was mild - the reality is that we
are still getting deaths each week - there were over 1000 new cases
reported in the last week, and 13 deaths - see: >https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-health-professionals/data-and-statistics/covid-19-data/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
So Covid is not far away from as big a problem as deaths from traffic >accidents; but currently gets much less funding and attention - the >government needs to be held to account for wrecking peoples lives
through ignoring the problem and pandering to the anti-vaccination
nutters

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