• Hurricane AM Transmitter

    From pfjw@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 07:09:57 2023
    https://www.6v6.co.uk/vcomp/pages/hurricane.htm

    The kids (grown and with kids of their own) gave me one-of-the-above for Christmas. First (and preliminary) report:

    Although I asked only for the basic model, I received the blue-tooth enabled version. And, as I am a fan of, and keep two SSTRAN AMT (3000 and 5000) devices, those are my points-of-comparison.

    Set-up: The Hurricane has a front panel menu with function and step-up/down buttons. The AMTs require frequency settings on internal SIP switches. Advantage: Hurricane.

    Gain: The Hurricane has a bar-graph for gain. The AMT is 'ear'. Advantage: Hurricane.

    Modulation: Again, the Hurricane has a modulation bar-graph, but unlike the AMT, modulation is not controllable. Advantage: Neutral.

    Compression: The AMTs have a compression control. Advantage: AMT.

    In operation - and only in a preliminary set-up: Both have very nearly the same range, and both are very clean within that range. Not a trace of hum with either. However, the Hurricane is blue-tooth enabled - advantage Hurricane.

    The Hurricane came fully assembled, I had (back in the day) to assemble the AMTs. I see no particular advantage to either conditions.

    Size: The Hurricane is about 1/2 the volume of the 3000, and 1/4 the volume of the 5000. However, the 5000 will accept many antenna configurations. Apparently, the Hurricane will as well - so when I get to my outdoor antenna, I will see if that is true.

    Guys and gals: Here is a viable, fully frequency-agile AM transmitter that is NOT from the Pacific rim, is well made and works right out of the box at a reasonable price.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to pf...@aol.com on Tue Jan 3 12:11:49 2023
    On 1/2/2023 10:09, pf...@aol.com wrote:
    https://www.6v6.co.uk/vcomp/pages/hurricane.htm

    The kids (grown and with kids of their own) gave me one-of-the-above
    for Christmas. First (and preliminary) report:

    Although I asked only for the basic model, I received the blue-tooth
    enabled version. (snip) Guys and gals: Here is a viable, fully frequency-agile AM transmitter that is NOT from the Pacific rim, is
    well made and works right out of the box at a reasonable price.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

    Very nifty, thanks for sharing. "Making my own" AM radio station is
    something that would have been quite a hobby for me several years ago.
    I might have to look into these.

    What is the wattage/range on the transmitter, and is it within FCC
    limits? If not, I'm sure it could be adjusted down.

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  • From pfjw@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 3 11:44:42 2023
    What is the wattage/range on the transmitter, and is it within FCC
    limits? If not, I'm sure it could be adjusted down.

    Compliant with FCC Part 15 rules. (US Only)

    From the product information.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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  • From Terry Schwartz@21:1/5 to pf...@aol.com on Tue Jan 3 16:24:33 2023
    No doubt "compliant" with the supplied antenna. Add an antenna with some gain, and, well.....

    On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 1:44:44 PM UTC-6, pf...@aol.com wrote:
    What is the wattage/range on the transmitter, and is it within FCC
    limits? If not, I'm sure it could be adjusted down.
    Compliant with FCC Part 15 rules. (US Only)

    From the product information.
    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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  • From pfjw@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 10:10:14 2023
    Further research shows it to be 100 mW (LPAM) maximum output. The same as the SSTRAN units. The difference is that I do not know whether it is adjustable as with the SSTRAN units. I will check on that. That does not change the fact that an (unapproved)
    antenna may well extend the range.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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  • From Jim Mueller@21:1/5 to pf...@aol.com on Fri Jan 6 02:43:49 2023
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:10:14 -0800, pf...@aol.com wrote:

    Further research shows it to be 100 mW (LPAM) maximum output. The same
    as the SSTRAN units. The difference is that I do not know whether it is adjustable as with the SSTRAN units. I will check on that. That does
    not change the fact that an (unapproved) antenna may well extend the
    range.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

    The FCC rule is 100mW INPUT, not output. So the output will be more like
    50mW, 80 at best. Also, the maximum allowed length of the antenna PLUS
    ground is 10 feet.



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  • From Guy Patterson@21:1/5 to Jim Mueller on Mon Jan 23 07:42:08 2023
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:43:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Mueller wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:10:14 -0800, pf...@aol.com wrote:

    Further research shows it to be 100 mW (LPAM) maximum output. The same
    as the SSTRAN units. The difference is that I do not know whether it is adjustable as with the SSTRAN units. I will check on that. That does
    not change the fact that an (unapproved) antenna may well extend the range.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
    The FCC rule is 100mW INPUT, not output. So the output will be more like 50mW, 80 at best. Also, the maximum allowed length of the antenna PLUS ground is 10 feet.



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    Jim Mueller wron...@nospam.com


    I don't understand the ground length. If the transmitter is 10' away from a ground rod or cold water pipe, does that mean an antenna can't legally be used? What if the third prong of the AC socket is used, do we have to consider the distance from the
    socket to the AC panel's ground?

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  • From pfjw@aol.com@21:1/5 to Guy Patterson on Tue Jan 24 10:10:13 2023
    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-5, Guy Patterson wrote:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:43:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Mueller wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:10:14 -0800, pf...@aol.com wrote:

    Further research shows it to be 100 mW (LPAM) maximum output. The same as the SSTRAN units. The difference is that I do not know whether it is adjustable as with the SSTRAN units. I will check on that. That does
    not change the fact that an (unapproved) antenna may well extend the range.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
    The FCC rule is 100mW INPUT, not output. So the output will be more like 50mW, 80 at best. Also, the maximum allowed length of the antenna PLUS ground is 10 feet.



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    Jim Mueller wron...@nospam.com

    I don't understand the ground length. If the transmitter is 10' away from a ground rod or cold water pipe, does that mean an antenna can't legally be used? What if the third prong of the AC socket is used, do we have to consider the distance from the
    socket to the AC panel's ground?

    I will intuit an answer here. In the original SSTRAN literature, the antenna came with a "counterpoise" that when run along the ground became part of the total antenna length, as it was not actually grounded. In their Base-Loaded antenna instructions, a
    true ground had to be provided,. so the 'counterpoise' was not part of that developed length, the entirety could be dedicated to the antenna. Keep in mind that when I set up just such an antenna overseas, its base was 10 meters up, and I ran #6 solid
    copper to a 12' ground rod - 12' because that put it in ground water. The antenna itself was trimmed to the appropriate length for the chosen frequency. It covered 80 acres nicely, but for the stucco-on-mesh houses which were pretty effective Faraday
    cages.

    So, Antenna + Counterpoise may not exceed the Part-15 compliant length. Antenna + Ground, one may ignore the ground as by its very nature, it will be many feet/inches/meters longer than the antenna in very nearly every case.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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  • From Jim Mueller@21:1/5 to pf...@aol.com on Wed Jan 25 02:12:23 2023
    On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 10:10:13 -0800, pf...@aol.com wrote:

    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-5, Guy Patterson wrote:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:43:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Mueller wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:10:14 -0800, pf...@aol.com wrote:

    Further research shows it to be 100 mW (LPAM) maximum output. The
    same as the SSTRAN units. The difference is that I do not know
    whether it is adjustable as with the SSTRAN units. I will check on
    that. That does not change the fact that an (unapproved) antenna
    may well extend the range.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
    The FCC rule is 100mW INPUT, not output. So the output will be more
    like 50mW, 80 at best. Also, the maximum allowed length of the
    antenna PLUS ground is 10 feet.



    --
    Jim Mueller wron...@nospam.com

    I don't understand the ground length. If the transmitter is 10' away
    from a ground rod or cold water pipe, does that mean an antenna can't
    legally be used? What if the third prong of the AC socket is used, do
    we have to consider the distance from the socket to the AC panel's
    ground?

    I will intuit an answer here. In the original SSTRAN literature, the
    antenna came with a "counterpoise" that when run along the ground became
    part of the total antenna length, as it was not actually grounded. In
    their Base-Loaded antenna instructions, a true ground had to be
    provided,. so the 'counterpoise' was not part of that developed length,
    the entirety could be dedicated to the antenna. Keep in mind that when I
    set up just such an antenna overseas, its base was 10 meters up, and I
    ran #6 solid copper to a 12' ground rod - 12' because that put it in
    ground water. The antenna itself was trimmed to the appropriate length
    for the chosen frequency. It covered 80 acres nicely, but for the stucco-on-mesh houses which were pretty effective Faraday cages.

    So, Antenna + Counterpoise may not exceed the Part-15 compliant length. Antenna + Ground, one may ignore the ground as by its very nature, it
    will be many feet/inches/meters longer than the antenna in very nearly
    every case.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

    Here is a link to some comments from the FCC about Part 15 transmitters: https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/ bulletins/oet63/oet63rev.pdf. Unfortunately they don't mention the
    questions raised here and I can't find the Part 15 rules themselves.
    Perhaps someone else knows where they are.

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    Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

    To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eggmen.
    Then replace nospam with expressmail. Lastly, replace com with dk.

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  • From ohger1s@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Mueller on Wed Jan 25 09:35:59 2023
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 9:12:25 PM UTC-5, Jim Mueller wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 10:10:13 -0800, pf...@aol.com wrote:

    On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-5, Guy Patterson wrote:
    On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:43:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Mueller wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:10:14 -0800, pf...@aol.com wrote:

    Further research shows it to be 100 mW (LPAM) maximum output. The
    same as the SSTRAN units. The difference is that I do not know
    whether it is adjustable as with the SSTRAN units. I will check on
    that. That does not change the fact that an (unapproved) antenna
    may well extend the range.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
    The FCC rule is 100mW INPUT, not output. So the output will be more
    like 50mW, 80 at best. Also, the maximum allowed length of the
    antenna PLUS ground is 10 feet.



    --
    Jim Mueller wron...@nospam.com

    I don't understand the ground length. If the transmitter is 10' away
    from a ground rod or cold water pipe, does that mean an antenna can't
    legally be used? What if the third prong of the AC socket is used, do
    we have to consider the distance from the socket to the AC panel's
    ground?

    I will intuit an answer here. In the original SSTRAN literature, the antenna came with a "counterpoise" that when run along the ground became part of the total antenna length, as it was not actually grounded. In
    their Base-Loaded antenna instructions, a true ground had to be
    provided,. so the 'counterpoise' was not part of that developed length,
    the entirety could be dedicated to the antenna. Keep in mind that when I set up just such an antenna overseas, its base was 10 meters up, and I
    ran #6 solid copper to a 12' ground rod - 12' because that put it in
    ground water. The antenna itself was trimmed to the appropriate length
    for the chosen frequency. It covered 80 acres nicely, but for the stucco-on-mesh houses which were pretty effective Faraday cages.

    So, Antenna + Counterpoise may not exceed the Part-15 compliant length. Antenna + Ground, one may ignore the ground as by its very nature, it
    will be many feet/inches/meters longer than the antenna in very nearly every case.

    Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
    Here is a link to some comments from the FCC about Part 15 transmitters: https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/ bulletins/oet63/oet63rev.pdf. Unfortunately they don't mention the
    questions raised here and I can't find the Part 15 rules themselves.
    Perhaps someone else knows where they are.
    --
    Jim Mueller wron...@nospam.com

    To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eggmen.
    Then replace nospam with expressmail. Lastly, replace com with dk.


    Thanks Jim, I've read that in other places but it seems there's no explanation to be had regarding exactly what constitutes the ground length.

    Peter, 80 acres is amazing for a part 15 transmitter.

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  • From pfjw@aol.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 05:20:01 2023
    Thanks Jim, I've read that in other places but it seems there's no explanation to be had regarding exactly what constitutes the ground length.

    Peter, 80 acres is amazing for a part 15 transmitter.

    All:

    Think it through.
    a) A counterpoise (the black wire from an SSTRAN transmitter as an example) has a length, and so counts against the total developed length of the transmitter antenna.
    b) A ground is, by definition, either infinitely long, or infinitely short - as it absorbs stray current from any source. If I am on the second floor of our house in my 'radio room', the ground has to go some 60' before it actually gets to the ground rod.
    If I am on the 20th floor of an apartment building, it may have to go some 200 feet or more. Or if I am in my back yard, it may be matter of inches,.

    If a "Ground" serves its purpose, it is infinitely short - and so the entire length available may be dedicated to the actual antenna. If it does not, it becomes a counterpoise, and so must be calculated.

    80 acres was with the base-loaded SSTRAN-designed antenna. http://www.sstran.com/pages/sstran_buildant.html A few hours work, but very good results.

    Peter Wieck
    Melrose Park, PA

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