Keith is always bragging that the DC metro is the worst in the USA, but >Boston is giving it strong competition.
The MBTA, or T, has four train lines that are subways in Boston; they're >called the Red, Green, Blue, and Orange Lines. (There's also a Silver
Line, which isn't actually a line but several disjoint express bus
routes.) As of today, only the Blue Line would get you into downtown
Boston, and it's the shortest of the four lines, going from downtown to
a little way up the North Shore.
https://www.universalhub.com/2024/whats-going-dtx-t-seems-under-big-hex
In article <uo6clk$1hd7g$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
Keith is always bragging that the DC metro is the worst in the USA, butSurely, no transit is worse than bad transit, so all the cities and
Boston is giving it strong competition.
The MBTA, or T, has four train lines that are subways in Boston; they're
called the Red, Green, Blue, and Orange Lines. (There's also a Silver
Line, which isn't actually a line but several disjoint express bus
routes.) As of today, only the Blue Line would get you into downtown
Boston, and it's the shortest of the four lines, going from downtown to
a little way up the North Shore.
https://www.universalhub.com/2024/whats-going-dtx-t-seems-under-big-hex
towns without are worse off than either DC or Boston?
Keith is always bragging that the DC metro is the worst in the USA, but >Boston is giving it strong competition.
Surely, no transit is worse than bad transit, so all the cities and
towns without are worse off than either DC or Boston?
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
Keith is always bragging that the DC metro is the worst in the USA,
but Boston is giving it strong competition.
DC is having a lot of problems right now because they are trying to
clean up after years of deferred maintenance.
DC still has plenty of problems. They still have union issues,
they still haven't got their 1970s vintage automation system working
properly again, and they still have plenty of track issues.
Keith is always bragging that the DC metro is the worst in the USA, but Boston is giving it strong competition.
The MBTA, or T, has four train lines that are subways in Boston; they're called the Red, Green, Blue, and Orange Lines. (There's also a Silver
Line, which isn't actually a line but several disjoint express bus
routes.) As of today, only the Blue Line would get you into downtown
Boston, and it's the shortest of the four lines, going from downtown to
a little way up the North Shore.
https://www.universalhub.com/2024/whats-going-dtx-t-seems-under-big-hex
I'm speaking of the Metrorail system. The Metrobus system, run by
the same organization, WMATA, is so bad that lots of local governments
have established their own bus systems, including Fairfax Connector, Arlington Transit, OmniRide, CUE, DASH, OmniLink, George, Ride On, The
Bus, Jitney Bus, DC Circulator, and TransIT. Some of these work well,
but of course don't typically cross county or state lines.
... Here in Deepest South Florida we have TriRail.
We also have Brightline.
... Here in Deepest South Florida we have TriRail.
I used TriRail to & from
FLL (Ft Lauderdale airport) and Boca Raton (Yamato Road)
for only $5. Then a $15 Uber to my parents' place.
Vs. $100+ for an airport car service.
The trains were on time and just fine.
Yes, I had to use a connecting bus to the airport (free)
but things really did connect.
We also have Brightline.
Sadly, those grade level crossings are in the news often
for the gruesome collisions with Darwin Award winners
who drive around the gates.
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024, Jeff Jonas wrote:
... Here in Deepest South Florida we have TriRail.
I used TriRail to & from
FLL (Ft Lauderdale airport) and Boca Raton (Yamato Road)
for only $5. Then a $15 Uber to my parents' place.
Vs. $100+ for an airport car service.
The trains were on time and just fine.
Yes, I had to use a connecting bus to the airport (free)
but things really did connect.
We also have Brightline.
Sadly, those grade level crossings are in the news often
for the gruesome collisions with Darwin Award winners
who drive around the gates.
In sweden I saw in the news that the mid- and long-range trains where on
time only 82% of the time last year.
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024, Jeff Jonas wrote:
... Here in Deepest South Florida we have TriRail.
I used TriRail to & from
FLL (Ft Lauderdale airport) and Boca Raton (Yamato Road)
for only $5. Then a $15 Uber to my parents' place.
Vs. $100+ for an airport car service.
The trains were on time and just fine.
Yes, I had to use a connecting bus to the airport (free)
but things really did connect.
We also have Brightline.
Sadly, those grade level crossings are in the news often
for the gruesome collisions with Darwin Award winners
who drive around the gates.
In sweden I saw in the news that the mid- and long-range trains where on
time only 82% of the time last year.
In article <e87dac41-2924-0fb5-346d-1a9fca1114d7@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024, Jeff Jonas wrote:
... Here in Deepest South Florida we have TriRail.
I used TriRail to & from
FLL (Ft Lauderdale airport) and Boca Raton (Yamato Road)
for only $5. Then a $15 Uber to my parents' place.
Vs. $100+ for an airport car service.
The trains were on time and just fine.
Yes, I had to use a connecting bus to the airport (free)
but things really did connect.
We also have Brightline.
Sadly, those grade level crossings are in the news often
for the gruesome collisions with Darwin Award winners
who drive around the gates.
In sweden I saw in the news that the mid- and long-range trains where on
time only 82% of the time last year.
That's better than Amtrak. And I bet that the ones that were late were only late by minutes rather than days.
Sweden, though, is starting to get some competition to the SJ, though.
I wound up riding MTRX from Stockholm out to Gothenburg last year and
then FlixTrain back and I was vaguely amused by the SJ staff's attitude toward the new outfits muscling in on their territory. I do think that competition is the key to getting better service.
--scott
True. I'm not a train aficionado so how does it work with all these >companies? After all, they all use the same track so how do they benefit
the consumer?
When it comes to how delayed I don't have any statistics. This winter
though had some -40 C days in northern sweden that killed all traffic due
to safety concerns. You don't want to have a broken car or train anywhere >when it's -40 C.
As for me, the best train service I ever had in sweden, was when I by
mistake ended up in the same train wagon as the ministers in the
government a decade ago. Everything was free, everyone was polite,
lightning quick service. I had no idea until I saw almost all government >ministers sitting around me.
I have no idea how I made it in there and why no one said anything, but
such is life!
As for me, the best train service I ever had in sweden, was when I by
mistake ended up in the same train wagon as the ministers in the
government a decade ago. Everything was free, everyone was polite,
lightning quick service. I had no idea until I saw almost all government ministers sitting around me.
I have no idea how I made it in there and why no one said anything, but
such is life!
On 2/21/24 4:55 PM, D wrote:
As for me, the best train service I ever had in sweden, was when I by
mistake ended up in the same train wagon as the ministers in the government >> a decade ago. Everything was free, everyone was polite, lightning quick
service. I had no idea until I saw almost all government ministers sitting >> around me.
I have no idea how I made it in there and why no one said anything, but
such is life!
I can guess. The conductors didn't dare question anyone's presence in the car, since they might be challenging a VIP who'd forgotten their ticket and could cause lots of trouble if annoyed. The ministers assumed you must be someone's secret guest and didn't ask questions for the same reason. Ironically, that made it easy for anyone to sneak aboard.
Just a guess, though.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
True. I'm not a train aficionado so how does it work with all these
companies? After all, they all use the same track so how do they benefit
the consumer?
If one is to believe Adam Smith, people will in the end pick the service which best suits them, whether that is the cheapest ticket, the train
with the best alcoholic beverages, or the train that is most often on
time. In the end this results in the service that most pleases the most people, as other competitors begin to provide whatever it is that people
want in order to match them.
Unfortunately what I want is not always what other people want, so I do
not always find competition as effective as I might like.
When it comes to how delayed I don't have any statistics. This winter
though had some -40 C days in northern sweden that killed all traffic due
to safety concerns. You don't want to have a broken car or train anywhere
when it's -40 C.
The only train I want to be on when it is -40 C is the train out of there, possibly the one going to the Riviera.
As for me, the best train service I ever had in sweden, was when I by
mistake ended up in the same train wagon as the ministers in the
government a decade ago. Everything was free, everyone was polite,
lightning quick service. I had no idea until I saw almost all government
ministers sitting around me.
I have no idea how I made it in there and why no one said anything, but
such is life!
I am impressed that your ministers would take the train in the first place. This is a sign of a government that eats its own dog food and I wish more
did that.
--scott
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 15:18:38 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024, Jeff Jonas wrote:
... Here in Deepest South Florida we have TriRail.
I used TriRail to & from
FLL (Ft Lauderdale airport) and Boca Raton (Yamato Road)
for only $5. Then a $15 Uber to my parents' place.
Vs. $100+ for an airport car service.
The trains were on time and just fine.
Yes, I had to use a connecting bus to the airport (free)
but things really did connect.
We also have Brightline.
Sadly, those grade level crossings are in the news often
for the gruesome collisions with Darwin Award winners
who drive around the gates.
In sweden I saw in the news that the mid- and long-range trains where on >>time only 82% of the time last year.
Isn't it something like that for Amtrak?
Delay is predominantly due to the freight lines that own the track and take >priority.
I occasionally meet Europeans on the train who are angry and
frustrated at
the train being late and want to know if they can get their money
back. I
tell them that it is a remarkable event worth celebrating when the
train is
actually on time.
Used to be German trains were known for their punctuality but last year I >took the train from London to Vienna. The return trip from Vienna to >Frankfurt, the train was very late. One of the DB staff on board
actually gave me a form to fill in for compensation. It didn't seem
worth the effort for me, as all I had to do in Frankfurt was walk a
couple of hundred metres to my hotel, and it wasn't that late in the
evening when I arrived.
Used to be German trains were known for their punctuality but last year I took the train from London to Vienna. The return trip from Vienna to Frankfurt, the train was very late. One of the DB staff on board
actually gave me a form to fill in for compensation. It didn't seem
worth the effort for me, as all I had to do in Frankfurt was walk a
couple of hundred metres to my hotel, and it wasn't that late in the
evening when I arrived.
<rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:
Delay is predominantly due to the freight lines that own the track and take >> priority.
Yes, I regularly ride what used to be the Tidewater Flyer that goes between Newport News and Boston. Washington DC is the point at which you go from Norfolk Southern to Amtrak tracks, and if you make it up there in time you will be on time getting into points north. This is, however, very unlikely and once you're late into DC you may have to wait behind other Amtrak trains as well.
I occasionally meet Europeans on the train who are angry and frustrated at the train being late and want to know if they can get their money back. I tell them that it is a remarkable event worth celebrating when the train is actually on time.
A friend of mine used to try and ride the train up to BWI in order to catch airline flights. She missed more than she caught.
--scott
On 2/24/24 11:23 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
Used to be German trains were known for their punctuality but last year I
took the train from London to Vienna. The return trip from Vienna to
Frankfurt, the train was very late. One of the DB staff on board
actually gave me a form to fill in for compensation. It didn't seem
worth the effort for me, as all I had to do in Frankfurt was walk a
couple of hundred metres to my hotel, and it wasn't that late in the
evening when I arrived.
My experience is similar. When I made my first trips to Germany, around the turn of the century, service was excellent. Last year, trying to get from Buchholz (a suburb about 25 km out) to Hamburg, the train was seriously delayed, I had to switch tracks, and the train unexpectedly terminated one stop short of Hamburg because too many trains were queued up trying to get to the Hauptbahnhof, so I had to change trains again.
and the train unexpectedly
terminated one stop short of Hamburg because too many trains were
queued up trying to get to the Hauptbahnhof,
I wonder if that is the
default policy or if they just wanted to get rid of the tourists? ;)
In article <5cfb2b4c-4a77-f9f8-55ef-a8e41eca0557@example.net>, nospam@example.net (D) wrote:
I wonder if that is the
default policy or if they just wanted to get rid of the tourists? ;)
That has been my experience with European trains too, in general.
Travelling to and from Helsinki both going and returning, I missed my connections at Copenhagen and had no problem getting a later train. Mind you, the return journey involved a five-hour wait in Copenhagen on a
Friday night. It was Gay Pride week and lots of colourful people were
going clubbing. Ended up getting into Hamburg at five in the morning.
My hotel had even kept my room for me.
In article <urdbpf$1aolq$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:
and the train unexpectedly
terminated one stop short of Hamburg because too many trains were
queued up trying to get to the Hauptbahnhof,
Reminds me of my trip to Helsinki in 2017 for the Worldcon. I was
planning to spend the night in Hamburg and when I heard the announcement
that we were at Hamburg, I got off the train. However, I had been to
Hamburg before and knew that the Hauptbahnhof was a large, enclosed
building and I was in the open air. It was a suburban station on the outskirts and I had just enough time to get back on board to complete my journey.
I bet it was Hamburg-Harburg. That can be confusing.
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