• AKICIF: The Shape of Asterix

    From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 13 19:42:01 2024
    I found a copy of Asterix I picked up on Free Comic Book Day a few
    years ago and wondered why I hadn't read it.

    The answer is that I can't.

    It was shrunk to fit American comic-book pages, and I can't see the
    letters without my needle-threading glasses, which are never in reach
    when the book is.

    The pages have extra-wide top and bottom margins. Metric paper is
    taller and narrower than American Customary paper -- the extra-wide
    margins should be on the sides.

    So my question is: What size and shape are European comic books?


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    Joy Beeson
    joy beeson at centurylink dot net
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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Sat Sep 14 12:04:00 2024
    In article <8dj9ejhbmbrlh3a0np07kbi2ivdqm3ift3@4ax.com>, jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid (Joy Beeson) wrote:

    So my question is: What size and shape are European comic books?

    Good question. I thought I had some Asterix books but cant find them. I
    did find some Tintin books and they are 22 by 29.7cm. A4 paper size is
    210 by 297mm so about the same, allowing for the binding on the left.

    (Amusing fact. The height divided by the width of a sheet of A4 is
    almost exactly the square root of 2. Turn a sheet of A4 to landscape and
    cut it in half and you have two sheets of A5. Put two sheets of A4 next
    to each other and you get a sheet of A3.)

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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Sun Sep 15 00:04:37 2024
    On 14/09/2024 09:42, Joy Beeson wrote:

    I found a copy of Asterix I picked up on Free Comic Book Day a few
    years ago and wondered why I hadn't read it.

    The answer is that I can't.

    It was shrunk to fit American comic-book pages, and I can't see the
    letters without my needle-threading glasses, which are never in reach
    when the book is.

    The pages have extra-wide top and bottom margins. Metric paper is
    taller and narrower than American Customary paper -- the extra-wide
    margins should be on the sides.

    So my question is: What size and shape are European comic books?


    Hmm, soft-cover Asterix books here in Oz, both dans l'Anglais et aussi
    dans la Francais, are about ‎29 x 22 cm.

    The hardcovers are a few millimetres - maybe 5? - larger each way.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Tim Illingworth@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Sat Sep 14 10:29:07 2024
    On 9/13/2024 7:42 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:

    I found a copy of Asterix I picked up on Free Comic Book Day a few
    years ago and wondered why I hadn't read it.

    The answer is that I can't.

    It was shrunk to fit American comic-book pages, and I can't see the
    letters without my needle-threading glasses, which are never in reach
    when the book is.

    The pages have extra-wide top and bottom margins. Metric paper is
    taller and narrower than American Customary paper -- the extra-wide
    margins should be on the sides.

    So my question is: What size and shape are European comic books?


    Well, picking an original Asterix (et le chaudron, pub 1969) it appears
    to be some 298mm high by 226mm wide over hard covers. The paper is
    smaller: 290mm high by about 224mm wide. The printed area is about 245mm
    by 196mm.

    Which is not any standard size I've met. At all.

    Tim

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Sat Sep 14 16:15:32 2024
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    (Amusing fact. The height divided by the width of a sheet of A4 is
    almost exactly the square root of 2. Turn a sheet of A4 to landscape and
    cut it in half and you have two sheets of A5. Put two sheets of A4 next
    to each other and you get a sheet of A3.)

    It is a harmonized system, and is referenced to a specific sheet size which
    was manufactured by hand on a screen and then sliced down for different
    uses.

    We have a similar arrangement in the US where 11x17 sheets turn into two
    8.5x11 sheets which turn into two 5.5x8.5 sheets and so forth, except that
    they all have names many of which today are mostly meaningless....

    And then we have book sizes which were all functions of the original
    folio size but with the coming of rotary presses are all different now... --scott
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Sep 14 19:05:52 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    And then we have book sizes which were all functions of the original
    folio size but with the coming of rotary presses are all different
    now...

    I keep waiting for new SF to come out in mass market paperback. And
    it never does.

    I am *not* going to buy any e-books for which the fine print says I
    don't own it, but just have a temporary license to read it, which
    may be revoked at any time. And which "phones home" to tell the
    publisher, advertisers, and the government exactly what I read
    and when.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Sat Sep 14 17:15:03 2024
    On 9/14/24 7:04 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <8dj9ejhbmbrlh3a0np07kbi2ivdqm3ift3@4ax.com>, jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid (Joy Beeson) wrote:

    So my question is: What size and shape are European comic books?

    Good question. I thought I had some Asterix books but cant find them. I
    did find some Tintin books and they are 22 by 29.7cm. A4 paper size is
    210 by 297mm so about the same, allowing for the binding on the left.


    Usenet seems to have eaten my earlier reply; at least I haven't seen it.
    Let me try again.

    I have "Asterix in Italien," a German hardcover. The covers are 29 x
    22 cm. The inside pages are slightly smaller, with a height of about
    28.3 cm. It's hard to get the exact width of bound pages.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Ben Yalow@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Sep 15 12:56:21 2024
    In <vc4mqg$pfu$1@reader1.panix.com> "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> writes:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    And then we have book sizes which were all functions of the original
    folio size but with the coming of rotary presses are all different
    now...

    I keep waiting for new SF to come out in mass market paperback. And
    it never does.

    And you are likely to have a long wait.

    Mass market paperback seems to be a relatively dying packaging form. Most originals come out as hardcover or possibly trade paperback (and the
    reprint might well be trade paperback if it was originally a hardcover,
    since the page layout is similar). Sometimes you get two reprints
    (trade paperback and mass market). And indy/small press originals seem to
    be mostly trade paperback, since that's relatively cheap to print, and can command a better price.

    It's nard to make money on a mass market paperback original. By the time
    the publisher pays the author from the net, there's not a lot of money
    left to cover the fixed costs, considering how much fewer copies are sold, compared with what mass market used to sell decades ago.

    But there's a lot more new SF being published than there used to be, and
    that's great. As is expected, some of it isn't good -- but there are
    so many more good stories being published, in so many ways. I know I'm
    always finding more new SF than I have time to read (and it would be worse
    if I wasn't quick to decide that I don't like a story, and can put it down without taking the time to finish it).


    I am *not* going to buy any e-books for which the fine print says I
    don't own it, but just have a temporary license to read it, which
    may be revoked at any time. And which "phones home" to tell the
    publisher, advertisers, and the government exactly what I read
    and when.

    While most of the Big 5 originals price their ebooks fairly high (note
    that Baen is not a Big 5 and has a different ebook pricing policy), the indy/small press market mostly prices their ebooks at a significant
    discount from the paper (likely TP) version. Mostly, it looks like their
    $5.99 or under price point seems to be the sweet spot. There are
    exceptions -- presses that are doing premium price physical books will
    have their ebook versions priced higher.

    For me, the convenience and pricing for ebooks have made them my primary
    format for new SF. Everybody needs to make their own choices, and weigh
    the advantages and disadvantages of any format.

    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

    Ben
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    Not speaking for anybody

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Ben Yalow on Sun Sep 15 10:02:43 2024
    On 9/15/24 8:56 AM, Ben Yalow wrote:
    I am*not* going to buy any e-books for which the fine print says I
    don't own it, but just have a temporary license to read it, which
    may be revoked at any time. And which "phones home" to tell the
    publisher, advertisers, and the government exactly what I read
    and when.
    While most of the Big 5 originals price their ebooks fairly high (note
    that Baen is not a Big 5 and has a different ebook pricing policy), the indy/small press market mostly prices their ebooks at a significant
    discount from the paper (likely TP) version. Mostly, it looks like their $5.99 or under price point seems to be the sweet spot. There are
    exceptions -- presses that are doing premium price physical books will
    have their ebook versions priced higher.

    More relevant to Keith's point, the indy publishers are much more likely
    than the big ones to distribute books without DRM encumbrance and Kindle monitoring.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 15 15:34:00 2024
    In article <vc4ucn$1maac$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:

    Usenet seems to have eaten my earlier reply; at least I haven't seen
    it. Let me try again.

    It came through as an e-mail to me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Sun Sep 15 16:21:58 2024
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    And then we have book sizes which were all functions of the original
    folio size but with the coming of rotary presses are all different
    now...

    I keep waiting for new SF to come out in mass market paperback. And
    it never does.

    I don't know, I have seen a lot of PoD stuff coming out in MMPG size.
    As I mentioned in r.a.sf.w the other day, I just read Ilona Andrews'
    recent book _Diamond Fire_ in that format. I thought both the story
    and the printing were deficient but it was an actual newly printed MMPG.

    To be honest I do prefer the now-more-popular softcover sizes just
    because my vision is poor.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Dorsey on Mon Sep 16 11:47:00 2024
    In article <vc4cr4$82r$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
    Dorsey) wrote:

    We have a similar arrangement in the US where 11x17 sheets turn into
    two
    8.5x11 sheets which turn into two 5.5x8.5 sheets and so forth,

    But with the metric paper sizes, they all - A0, A1, etc. -have the same
    ratio of height/width: square root of 2. The same is true of the B and C
    paper sizes.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Sep 19 13:11:00 2024
    On 9/14/2024 9:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    (Amusing fact. The height divided by the width of a sheet of A4 is
    almost exactly the square root of 2. Turn a sheet of A4 to landscape and
    cut it in half and you have two sheets of A5. Put two sheets of A4 next
    to each other and you get a sheet of A3.)

    It is a harmonized system, and is referenced to a specific sheet size which was manufactured by hand on a screen and then sliced down for different
    uses.

    We have a similar arrangement in the US where 11x17 sheets turn into two 8.5x11 sheets which turn into two 5.5x8.5 sheets and so forth, except that they all have names many of which today are mostly meaningless....

    And then we have book sizes which were all functions of the original
    folio size but with the coming of rotary presses are all different now... --scott
    --scott

    On the American sizes go up two steps (17*22, and 22*34 (actually a 34
    inch role) and you get standard drafting paper sizes (and news print)).

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    Tim Merrigan

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