• Re: AKICIF: Exploding Pagers

    From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Thu Sep 19 20:47:21 2024
    Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    Are there any SF stories that predicted the sort of attack via
    exploding pages/walkie-talkies/etc.?

    Not yet...

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Thu Sep 19 17:22:55 2024
    On 9/19/2024 12:31 PM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Are there any SF stories that predicted the sort of attack via exploding pages/walkie-talkies/etc.?


    I've read techno-thrillers where such is used but no SF that I can remember.

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Fri Sep 20 07:36:11 2024
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:31:28 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    Are there any SF stories that predicted the sort of attack via exploding pages/walkie-talkies/etc.?

    I wonder what effect these (news) stories will have on airport security procedures. Up until now I haven't flown often so I was surprised
    in August when the agent asked me if I had any tablets or laptops
    in my carry-on and when I answered yes asked me
    to take it out (a Kindle Fire) and place it in the tray to run
    through the x-ray separately from the bag. I don't
    recall this happening on a trip last November. My cell phone,
    also in the bag, apparently was exempt from this scrutiny.

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  • From Torbjorn Lindgren@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Fri Sep 20 16:01:54 2024
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:31:28 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Are there any SF stories that predicted the sort of attack via exploding
    pages/walkie-talkies/etc.?

    I wonder what effect these (news) stories will have on airport security >procedures. Up until now I haven't flown often so I was surprised
    in August when the agent asked me if I had any tablets or laptops
    in my carry-on and when I answered yes asked me
    to take it out (a Kindle Fire) and place it in the tray to run
    through the x-ray separately from the bag. I don't
    recall this happening on a trip last November.

    This has been "best/standard practice" for more than a decade now in
    pretty much every airport I've flown via. That includes dozens of EU
    airports, dozens US airport (both domestic and international flights)
    and a couple of Asian ones.

    I think this became commong around the same time the 100mL/1L
    (3.4fl.oz/?) rules for liquids? Or perhaps after 9/11?

    In fact, whats NEW is that the last few years we finally have scanners
    that promises to do away with all this thanks to higher resolution and
    better penetration. But it's still spotty and very varied between
    countries and different airports.

    The same scanner technology also promised to abolish the liquid and
    "no jacket" rules but... the examples I know of has since walked back
    to the old liquid limits after test showed that there was dangerous
    liquids that would still slip past even these (basically the
    manufacturer oversold their capabilities).


    My cell phone, also in the bag, apparently was exempt from this
    scrutiny.

    It's still scanned, just together with other things. Which is fine as
    long as there's not too much clutter or any dark voids in the scan.

    And if they can't make out some details they'll usually rotate the bag
    and send it again, and if it still can't be resolved they may take out
    all items that could be responsible and send the bag and the items
    through individually (or find it, say "ahh" and let it go). Been
    there, seen both (IIR it had a 170W laptop charger, some USB cables
    plus noise cancelling headset, it happens but is RARE).

    The reason "large electronics", "laptops, tables" or "laptop, tables
    and cameras" tends to be called out and needing to be sent through
    separately is because they're far more likely to trigger this so
    they're saving time by just doing it pre-emptively instead of scanning
    each item 2-3 times. And also reducing the risk of missing something.

    But as I mentioned the rules at different airports vary a lot
    depending on how good/recent equipment they have and how much the
    relevant regulatory body trust said equipment. Most airports have a
    mix of old and new equipment, so it's not necessarily consistent even
    in one airport terminal!

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Torbjorn Lindgren on Sat Sep 21 07:51:20 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:01:54 -0000 (UTC), Torbjorn Lindgren wrote:

    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:31:28 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Are there any SF stories that predicted the sort of attack via
    exploding pages/walkie-talkies/etc.?

    I wonder what effect these (news) stories will have on airport security >>procedures. Up until now I haven't flown often so I was surprised in
    August when the agent asked me if I had any tablets or laptops in my >>carry-on and when I answered yes asked me to take it out (a Kindle Fire) >>and place it in the tray to run through the x-ray separately from the
    bag. I don't recall this happening on a trip last November.

    This has been "best/standard practice" for more than a decade now in
    pretty much every airport I've flown via. That includes dozens of EU airports, dozens US airport (both domestic and international flights)
    and a couple of Asian ones.

    Subsequently I found on the TSA website words to that effect.
    One practice that happened last November that was not repeated in
    the August trip was the following: Passengers were marched
    abreast in groups down a gangway while an agent walked a dog
    back and forth behind us. Sniffing for heinous odors in our
    wake, presumably.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Sat Sep 21 14:20:31 2024
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    One practice that happened last November that was not repeated in
    the August trip was the following: Passengers were marched
    abreast in groups down a gangway while an agent walked a dog
    back and forth behind us. Sniffing for heinous odors in our
    wake, presumably.

    They do that consistently at some airports, while at others they
    only check arrivals coming in from suspicious countries like Holland
    and Jamaica. And they often don't do it at all.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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