• Things I never thought would disappear

    From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 10 18:54:10 2024
    Things I never thought would disappear:


    Stockings shaped to the leg

    wool socks

    unbleached muslin

    plain cream

    canned tomatoes (You can get what we used to call "salad tomatoes",
    but not tomatoes that are simply canned.)

    There's not even a retronym for petroleum jelly, which has been
    replaced by white petroleum jelly (What's now called "white petroleum
    jelly" didn't even exist, at least not where laymen could see it.)

    Paperback books the size and shape of paperback books

    Newspapers. Replaced by press-release papers that are fading fast.

    Old newspapers as a cheap, ubiquitous, and inexhaustable resource for
    every purpose.

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    Road maps.

    Street signs are at risk of heading for the endangered list. I got
    very lost after one was rotated ninety degrees and nobody bothered to
    twist it back.

    User manuals. Nowadays, the time to go obsolete is about half the
    time it takes to write a halfway-decent manual.

    The World Wide Web. Nodes are still around, but one can't crawl from
    one to another to another.

    Mattresses that it's possible to tuck a sheet under.

    Beds that one can sit on.

    Carpet samples


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    Joy Beeson
    joy beeson at centurylink dot net
    http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid on Fri Oct 11 01:04:49 2024
    In article <95lggjdsbkjgknic0e49dodeemhq3je3qc@4ax.com>,
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    Things I never thought would disappear:

    wool socks

    [Hal Heydt]
    Check a good sporting goods/outdoor store, like REI.

    canned tomatoes (You can get what we used to call "salad tomatoes",
    but not tomatoes that are simply canned.)

    Still avail, so far as I know. Last bought a couple cans about a
    year ago. Still see them on the shelves.

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    I think non-self adhesive postage stamps are an endangered
    species.

    Road maps.

    You can still get them from AAA. The local office has them in a
    couple of vending machines (no cost, it's just a way to select
    what you want) in their lobby.

    User manuals. Nowadays, the time to go obsolete is about half the
    time it takes to write a halfway-decent manual.

    The Raspberry Pi folks release their manuals in both electronic
    (PDF) form and as "dead tree" versions.

    Mattresses that it's possible to tuck a sheet under.

    Wouldn't that lead to the demise of fitted bottom sheets?

    Can't speak to the rest of the list.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Thu Oct 10 18:33:31 2024
    On 10/10/2024 3:54 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
    Mattresses that it's possible to tuck a sheet under.

    Mattresses it's possible to flip (so the top becomes the bottom, and
    vice versa).

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Hal Heydt on Fri Oct 11 02:02:48 2024
    Hal Heydt wrote:
    I think non-self adhesive postage stamps are an endangered species.

    What's wrong with self adhesive postage stamps? Other than the fact
    that they stop working after a while, I mean. I have a large number
    of self-adhesive "forever" stamps that are no longer sticky at all.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Fri Oct 11 02:19:26 2024
    Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
    Paperback books the size and shape of paperback books

    You mean mass-market paperbacks? I agree. I keep waiting for my
    favorite authors to come out in that format. As a result of which,
    I've read very little recent SF. It's been years since I've read
    any of the Hugo nominees in time to vote on them.

    Newspapers. Replaced by press-release papers that are fading fast.

    My brother still subscribes to The Washington Post. The only change
    is that it's delivered by an adult in a car, not by a child on a bike.

    The World Wide Web. Nodes are still around, but one can't crawl
    from one to another to another.

    That depends on which website you're on. If you find yourself on a
    tarpit site, simply abort out of it and start over.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Fri Oct 11 11:58:00 2024
    In article <vea1ve$ei7$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    My brother still subscribes to The Washington Post. The only change
    is that it's delivered by an adult in a car, not by a child on a
    bike.

    My paper is delivered before I get up in the morning, so I don't know how
    it's delivered. (This was true even when I was working and got up around seven.)

    Also, in the UK we have letter delivery slots in the front door and the
    idea is that the delivery person puts the paper through the slot. The
    flap on my slot is a bit stiff and occasionally, the paper is left on the doorstep. One morning a few months ago, there was a torrential
    thunderstorm between the paper being delivered and me getting up. The
    paper was reduced to a mass of papier-mâché.

    Another difference in the UK is that papers are delivered usually by a newsagent, who deliver all the national and local papers, plus weeklies
    and magazines. (You can subscribe to a paper but The Guardian at least
    just supply vouchers to your newsagent, I believe.)

    Back in the seventies, my brother (who is ten years younger than me) did
    a newspaper delivery job whilst still at school. That involved getting
    up early. On one occasion, I was visiting my parents and my brother left
    the door from the kitchen to the stairs open. Our dog, seeing this and
    knowing I was home, decided to go up and wake me - at about five in the morning! I didn't mind him getting into bed with me, but he wanted me to
    make a fuss and not let me sleep.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Fri Oct 11 11:58:00 2024
    In article <95lggjdsbkjgknic0e49dodeemhq3je3qc@4ax.com>, jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid (Joy Beeson) wrote:

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    Default stamps in the UK just have the monarch's head on them. There are commemorative stamps but you can still get the plain ones. King Charles started appearing on stamps last year.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Oct 11 11:52:00 2024
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    Also, in the UK we have letter delivery slots in the front door and
    the idea is that the delivery person puts the paper through the
    slot. The flap on my slot is a bit stiff and occasionally, the
    paper is left on the doorstep. One morning a few months ago, there
    was a torrential thunderstorm between the paper being delivered and
    me getting up. The paper was reduced to a mass of papier-m\342ch\351.

    My brother's is left in the driveway. It's enclosed in a plastic bag.
    If rain is expected, it's double-bagged. Some rain has leaked into
    it, but that's rare.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Fri Oct 11 22:49:39 2024
    On 11/10/2024 09:54, Joy Beeson wrote:

    Things I never thought would disappear:


    Stockings shaped to the leg

    Oh, they're still out there, generally only in expensive silk for
    expensive women. (I may or may not buy the occasional pair for a lady
    friend. Or two. :-) )

    wool socks

    Plenty of all-wool socks available here.

    unbleached muslin

    Ok, a bit harder, usually only available as an "organic" product, but in
    the fabric stores.

    plain cream

    In the refrigerator at the supermarket.

    canned tomatoes (You can get what we used to call "salad tomatoes",
    but not tomatoes that are simply canned.)

    Oh, so many varieties of canned tomatoes, local, overseas, Italian, ...

    There's not even a retronym for petroleum jelly, which has been
    replaced by white petroleum jelly (What's now called "white petroleum
    jelly" didn't even exist, at least not where laymen could see it.)

    Okay, this one doesn't translate well. Vaseline's been Vaseline for as
    long as I recall, and I don't see any change from fifty years ago. What
    is "white petroleum jelly", pray tell?

    Paperback books the size and shape of paperback books

    The exist, but not as many publishers create them, true.

    Newspapers. Replaced by press-release papers that are fading fast.

    Yes, declining, but we still have two dailies here, and a few weeklies
    and monthlies published on newsprint.

    Old newspapers as a cheap, ubiquitous, and inexhaustable resource for
    every purpose.

    Well, yes, the newspapers are smaller, and so much more expensive!

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    We've had variegated stamps for so long I'd almost forgotten that the
    Penny Black existed!

    Road maps.

    Got a 2021 Melways in the car!

    Street signs are at risk of heading for the endangered list. I got
    very lost after one was rotated ninety degrees and nobody bothered to
    twist it back.

    Don't see much vandalism of that type here.

    User manuals. Nowadays, the time to go obsolete is about half the
    time it takes to write a halfway-decent manual.

    Management won't fund decent manuals. And yes, the ones that exist are
    usually out of date.

    The World Wide Web. Nodes are still around, but one can't crawl from
    one to another to another.

    It's evolved, that's all.

    Mattresses that it's possible to tuck a sheet under.

    My mattress will happily keep a flat sheet on it, but I mostly use fitted.

    Beds that one can sit on.

    Not a problem here, I was with a friend who was bed shopping earlier
    this year, sittable beds were quite findable. Even in IKEA.

    Carpet samples

    Again, we have them in the carpet stores here.

    NOTE: YMMV as I live in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. :-)

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Gary R. Schmidt on Fri Oct 11 12:01:33 2024
    Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
    We've had variegated stamps for so long I'd almost forgotten that the
    Penny Black existed!

    You're older than you look. The Penny Black was discontinued in 1841.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Oct 11 13:21:25 2024
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <95lggjdsbkjgknic0e49dodeemhq3je3qc@4ax.com>, >jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid (Joy Beeson) wrote:

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    Default stamps in the UK just have the monarch's head on them. There are >commemorative stamps but you can still get the plain ones. King Charles >started appearing on stamps last year.

    The US ones just have a flag on them, but thanks to the Vietnam war
    putting a flag on something is now expressing a political opinion. Does
    anyone still put them on upside-down as a protest against the bombing
    of Cambodia?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Oct 11 14:39:42 2024
    In article <veb8ol$2on$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <95lggjdsbkjgknic0e49dodeemhq3je3qc@4ax.com>, >>jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid (Joy Beeson) wrote:

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    Default stamps in the UK just have the monarch's head on them. There are >>commemorative stamps but you can still get the plain ones. King Charles >>started appearing on stamps last year.

    The US ones just have a flag on them, but thanks to the Vietnam war
    putting a flag on something is now expressing a political opinion. Does >anyone still put them on upside-down as a protest against the bombing
    of Cambodia?

    [Hal Heydt]
    One rather suspects that some people put them on upside down, but
    not for that particular protest. One might well wonder if the
    wives of Alito and Thomas do so...

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Oct 11 19:07:01 2024
    On 10/11/24 9:21 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    The US ones just have a flag on them, but thanks to the Vietnam war
    putting a flag on something is now expressing a political opinion. Does anyone still put them on upside-down as a protest against the bombing
    of Cambodia?

    Post Offices offer lots of other choices. Currently I have some stamps
    with elephants on them and a sheet I haven't started using called "Life Magnified" with 20 different microscopic images. Big things and little
    things.

    Is the elephant expressing a political opinion?


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Sat Oct 12 11:59:00 2024
    In article <veb3h0$e2f$2@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    My brother's is left in the driveway. It's enclosed in a plastic bag.
    If rain is expected, it's double-bagged. Some rain has leaked into
    it, but that's rare.

    Not usually done for newspaper deliveries in the UK.

    Some magazines I subscribe to which are posted arrive in waterproof
    wrapping, but not general mail either.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Sun Oct 13 16:03:00 2024
    In article <vef4o2$c9vq$2@dont-email.me>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:


    FWIW, the MAGAZINE OF FANTASY & SCIENCE FICTION, which had been
    coming in a manila envelope, now comes naked, with an address label
    on the back. (Thank Ghod it's on the back.)

    I've only had one issue of that this year - Ansible did report production problems recently - and I think that was in the usual envelope.

    Some magazines arrive in what are described as "compostable" wrappings, although a correspondence in New Scientist a while back disputed that.
    Most others arrive in plastic or paper envelopes.

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Sun Oct 13 17:48:00 2024
    In article <vegrhv$mnbq$2@dont-email.me>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:


    Ours just arrived a few days ago. It was the Summer issue. Yours
    may take longer since you're in the UK.

    Indeed.

    And I'm missing an issue of Analog from earlier in the year. Missing in
    the post, it seems. They have said a replacement has been sent, but that
    was some months ago.

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Oct 15 05:13:58 2024
    On 10/11/2024 6:21 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <95lggjdsbkjgknic0e49dodeemhq3je3qc@4ax.com>,
    jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid (Joy Beeson) wrote:

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    Default stamps in the UK just have the monarch's head on them. There are
    commemorative stamps but you can still get the plain ones. King Charles
    started appearing on stamps last year.

    The US ones just have a flag on them, but thanks to the Vietnam war
    putting a flag on something is now expressing a political opinion. Does anyone still put them on upside-down as a protest against the bombing
    of Cambodia?
    --scott

    I sometimes put stamps on upside down by mistake. And I doubt anyone is
    still protesting the bombing of Cambodia, which was half a century ago.

    --

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    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Oct 15 05:10:59 2024
    On 10/11/2024 3:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <95lggjdsbkjgknic0e49dodeemhq3je3qc@4ax.com>, jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid (Joy Beeson) wrote:

    Definitive stamps that allowed one to mail a letter without affixing
    an opinion. I didn't even know that plain, ordinary not-special
    stamps *had* a name.

    Default stamps in the UK just have the monarch's head on them. There are commemorative stamps but you can still get the plain ones. King Charles started appearing on stamps last year.

    Most of the generic American first class stamps I've seen for the last
    few decades have had American flags on them. They change the design
    slightly when the postage rates change.

    --

    Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Tim Merrigan on Tue Oct 15 13:03:20 2024
    Tim Merrigan wrote:

    On 10/11/2024 3:58 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:

    Default stamps in the UK just have the monarch's head on
    them. There are commemorative stamps but you can still get
    the plain ones. King Charles started appearing on stamps
    last year.

    Most of the generic American first class stamps I've seen for
    the last few decades have had American flags on them. They
    change the design slightly when the postage rates change.

    People still use stamps?

    We've a thing over here called a digital stamp where you pay
    your money, get a code (letters/numbers) and then write them on
    to the envelope... where the 'stamp' would go. Job done! (You
    also get an e-mail when that letter is delivered.)

    https://www.anpost.com/Post-Parcels/Sending/Digital-Stamp

    It's not great for stamp collectors though!

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  • From Jeff Jonas@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 9 07:37:15 2024
    I'm missing an issue of Analog from earlier in the year.
    Missing in the post, it seems.

    My dad subscribed to Analog, Asimov and Science Fiction & Fantasy for all my life.
    It was sad for me to give them away but I had no way to keep them all.
    If only for the time to read them all,
    like the Twilight Zone Episode "Time Enough at Last". :-/

    --

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Tue Nov 12 12:47:00 2024
    In article <memo.20241013174837.10516A@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>, prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:


    And I'm missing an issue of Analog from earlier in the year. Missing
    in
    the post, it seems. They have said a replacement has been sent, but
    that
    was some months ago.

    And the latest issue has now arrived but not the missing one.

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