https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-
measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.
WolfFan wrote:
<https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL>
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.
There is an SF story about that, sort of. It's called "The
Waveries" by Frederick Brown. It's about a deluge of radio signals
that turn out to be early earthly radio broadcasts that have been
bounced back at us. What we're seeing in the public sphere
currently is something analagous: a whole bunch of century-old
cultural memes being bounced back at us. Allusion to real early
20th century medical practices is just one of them. Think about
it: tariffs, immigration, a war (Ukraine) full of imagery
resembling World War II. So it goes. The parsimonious interpretation
of all this is that the nation has been rented out to some sort of
theatrical production.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be perfectly accurate.
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-
measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be perfectly accurate.
On 3/8/25 4:30 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >>> measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >>> work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be
perfectly accurate.
Measles parties in that time were held on the assumption that the
disease was so widespread that every child would get it, so they might
as well get it at a convenient time when they can plan for it. I'm not
saying it was a good idea, but it was less crazy than having such
parties in the current world, where the disease is comparatively rare.
Greene's idea seems to be that it should be made into an epidemic so
that the survivors will have herd immunity.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >suspension of disbelief.
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be perfectly accurate.
That said, yes, of course, idiots walk among us. Are you just now
noticing that? :-)
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >suspension of disbelief.
Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the virus
is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some (long string of
weapons-grade expletives) to break that out of the freezer and
inflict it on the world again.
... also got the vaccines for Covid and all boosters, pneumonia,
RSV, the yearly flu shot... and due to a business trip to India,
hepatitis and typhus.
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least as an adult.
Now I seethe with envy!
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects.
I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...
as an adult.
Now I seethe with envy!
I managed to avoid any respiratory infection from the onset of Covid until last fall. So far I've had a cold for about 75% of this calendar year. It's really interfering with my intensive program of doing nothing.
William Hyde
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did not >get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus >protected me all through the scamdemic! =)
In article <vqhnj4$6sfh$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
On 3/8/25 4:30 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >>> measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >>> work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >>> suspension of disbelief.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be >> perfectly accurate.
Measles parties in that time were held on the assumption that the
disease was so widespread that every child would get it, so they might
as well get it at a convenient time when they can plan for it. I'm not >saying it was a good idea, but it was less crazy than having such
parties in the current world, where the disease is comparatively rare.
Greene's idea seems to be that it should be made into an epidemic so
that the survivors will have herd immunity.
It would have the advantage that measles resets immunities, which means
when bird flu jumps to humans, the resulting US pandemic should be more exciting.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I
did not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus protected me all through the scamdemic! =)
In article <vqhsp6$5pq$1@reader1.panix.com>,
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
It would have the advantage that measles resets immunities, which means
when bird flu jumps to humans, the resulting US pandemic should be more
exciting.
US Pandemic!? If bird flu jumps to humans on that scale, the entire
world population will be part of the excitement.
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least as an adult.
Now I seethe with envy!
I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences, despite
a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not recommend.
I'm reminded of the person who said he avoided getting arthritis by
taking a cold shower every day of his life. To which the response
was, "Oh, you suffer from cold showers instead."
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus
protected me all through the scamdemic! =)
I am glad to hear you are fully protected against atheism.
--scott
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects.
But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.
In the 14th century nearly everyone in Europe had faith in Jesus, but
that didn't protect nearly half of them from dying of the black plague.
I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...
True, it can. It killed almost one percent as many people as driving
or walking to the pharmacy to get the vaccination did. And almost
a hundred-thousandth as many people as covid itself did.
If only nobody had gotten vaccinated, there would probably be about
five Americans alive today who were killed by it. (And about two
million additional Americans dead today due to covid. But they'd be
with Jesus, so that doesn't count.)
Also, we should ban bathtubs because some people drown in them.
And airplanes because sometimes they crash. And the sun because
skin cancer.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I
did not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus protected me all through the scamdemic! =)
On 3/8/25 4:30 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-
promotes-
measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >>> work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would
be perfectly accurate.
Measles parties in that time were held on the assumption that the
disease was so widespread that every child would get it, so they might
as well get it at a convenient time when they can plan for it. I'm not
saying it was a good idea, but it was less crazy than having such
parties in the current world, where the disease is comparatively rare.
Greene's idea seems to be that it should be made into an epidemic so
that the survivors will have herd immunity.
In article <vqhsp6$5pq$1@reader1.panix.com>,
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
In article <vqhnj4$6sfh$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
On 3/8/25 4:30 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:It would have the advantage that measles resets immunities, which means
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-
measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >> >>> suspension of disbelief.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be >> >> perfectly accurate.
Measles parties in that time were held on the assumption that the
disease was so widespread that every child would get it, so they might
as well get it at a convenient time when they can plan for it. I'm not
saying it was a good idea, but it was less crazy than having such
parties in the current world, where the disease is comparatively rare.
Greene's idea seems to be that it should be made into an epidemic so
that the survivors will have herd immunity.
when bird flu jumps to humans, the resulting US pandemic should be more
exciting.
US Pandemic!? If bird flu jumps to humans on that scale, the entire
world population will be part of the excitement.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects.
But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.
Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know
it consciously!
Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:
Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the virus
is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some (long string of
weapons-grade expletives) to break that out of the freezer and
inflict it on the world again.
That may not be the only way it can happen. At a book signing I asked
James Watson if a terrorist could synthesize smallpox, given that its >complete genome is in the open literature. He said no, but he looked
very uncomfortable when answering, so I'm skeptical.
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.
US Pandemic!? If bird flu jumps to humans on that scale, the entire
world population will be part of the excitement.
That's true, but most nations don't have their health care run by
Robert Kennedy, jr as supervised by Donald Trump.
In middle age I had the flu for seven consecutive years, and serious
cases too. Being the ultra-fast thinker that I am, I had an idea:
"What if I get a flu shot?". In the more than a quarter century
since then I've had no serious cases of the flu, and only a very
few mild ones.
On Mar 8, 2025, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote
(in article <vqh2n1$2tjk$1@dont-email.me>):
On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >> > measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.
You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be
perfectly accurate.
not around my parents. they were epidemiologists. Tropical disease >specialists, which is why the family spent a lot of time in Africa and the >Caribbean. someone suggesting a measles party would have been invited to go >outside and play with the hippos.
That said, yes, of course, idiots walk among us. Are you just now
noticing that? :-)
i didn’t think that even MTG was _this_ stupid.
In article <0001HW.2D7BB48800F8D22B70000998A38F@news.supernews.com>,
WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote: >>https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >>measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >>work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >>suspension of disbelief.
As someone on the conservative side, I find MTG to be a
<deleted> embarrasment.
Yeah, before the vaccine was invented, there were two
approaches to measles -- strict quarantine, which was not
very effective because measles is one of (if not the) most
contagious viruses in existence, and, yes, measles parties,
on the theory that everybody was going to get it, regardless,
and the earlier it could be gotten over, the better. As an
old geezer, I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox... they
did have polio, diptheria, whooping cough, smallpox, and
tetanus vaccines, so I was vaccinated against those.
Paul Dormer wrote:[...]
In article <vqi9v6$adaq$1@dont-email.me>, wthyde1953@gmail.com (William
Hyde) wrote:
In middle age I had the flu for seven consecutive years, and serious
cases too. Being the ultra-fast thinker that I am, I had an idea:
"What if I get a flu shot?". In the more than a quarter century
since then I've had no serious cases of the flu, and only a very
few mild ones.
Effectiveness varies from year to year, as they have to guess months
in advance which strains will dominate in the next flu season. But
the vaccine is never entirely ineffective. Such weak infections as I
have had in recent years came when the guess was a poor one.
But then I am quite susceptible to the disease, or so it seems.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences,
despite a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not
recommend.
Is it possible to ever let go of such an injustice?
I would personally seethe with hate until the day of my death unless
I would be able to get some kind of compensation for that theft of life.
On 3/8/2025 2:24 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did
not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus
protected me all through the scamdemic! =)
So, Aesculapius and Apollo protected you anyway, despite your praying to that upstart. :)
On 3/8/25 5:24 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did
not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus
protected me all through the scamdemic! =)
Since Keith is an atheist, I guess you're saying your faith protected him. And me, since I'm an atheist and haven't had COVID yet. Your faith in Jesus may have protected millions of atheists, Muslims, Hindus, etc. worldwide, for which we all thank you.
On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. >>>
good health.
Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know it
consciously!
Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they have faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really have faith.
This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences,
despite a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not
recommend.
Is it possible to ever let go of such an injustice?
I don't know. You'd have to ask the Commonwealth of Virginia.
People ask me why I keep going on about something that happened 48
years ago. I respond that it's not something that happened 48 years
ago. It's something that started 48 years ago and is continuing.
You'd think that after nearly half a century, the state would decide
that I was either innocent or had long since reformed. Especially
since my record is otherwise perfectly clean before and since. And
since the crime victim hired me, sight unseen, directly out of prison,
as he knew I was innocent. And since the federal government issued
me a security clearance after I explained the circumstances of my
wrongful conviction on my SF-86 form.
Living well is the best revenge.
Today, most Americans realize that the government can't be trusted,
and that police can be trusted least of all. A YouTube video titled
"Don't Talk to the Police," by a law professor here in Virginia, has
20 million hits. The one thing that Biden and Trump agree on was
that the justice system has been weaponized and lots of people need
pardons.
DNA has proven that thousands of Americans were falsely convicted of
serious crimes. And of course in the vast majority of case, including
mine, there never was any DNA evidence, and there's no reason to
think the error rates in those cases were any lower. So for every
exonerated person there are probably hundreds of equally innocent
people who were never exonerated.
I have contributed to that atmosphere of healthy skepticism by
choosing to be "out of the closet" as a falsely convicted felon,
although I probably would have had an easier life had I kept it a
secret. Lots of people have confided in me that similar or worse
things have happened to them, but they didn't dare mention it.
Much like gays before Stonewall.
I'm convinced that there are far more falsely convicted Americans than
there are LGBTQ+ Americans. And that everyone deserves equal rights.
I would personally seethe with hate until the day of my death unless
I would be able to get some kind of compensation for that theft of life.
Compensation from whom? Taxpayers? Most of the are just as innocent
as I am. Those who were responsible for my wrongful conviction? Most
of them are long dead.
Of course major changes still need to be made. The Reid Technique
needs to be abolished, as do plea bargains, qualified immunity, and
bogus forensic science. Every accused person should get a fair
trial whether they want one or not, and as much should be spent on
their defense as on their prosecution. Only under extraordinary circumstances should an accused person be jailed before conviction.
If these reforms aren't done, then the whole system should be
abolished. We'd be better off without it than with what we have now.
Unfortunately, skepticism has been taken to an unhealthy extreme.
Just because the government lies a lot doesn't mean the moon landings
were faked, Earth is flat, there have been alien autopsies, QAnon and Pizzagate were real, or vaccines don't work. Only in logic problems
is there anyone who *always* lies.
Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck
whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:
On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. >>>>
good health.
Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't
know it consciously!
Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they
have faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really
have faith.
This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.
Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?
-=-=-=-=-=-
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:
On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. >>>>
good health.
Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know it >>> consciously!
Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they have
faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really have faith. >>
This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.
Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?
It is obvious even to the untrained reader that "D" really wants Jesus
to take him to that famous pastoral opera:
"Swede Paddock on Gotland Island."
WolfFan wrote:
<https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL>
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.
There is an SF story about that, sort of. It's called "The
Waveries" by Frederick Brown. It's about a deluge of radio signals
that turn out to be early earthly radio broadcasts that have been
bounced back at us. What we're seeing in the public sphere
currently is something analagous: a whole bunch of century-old
cultural memes being bounced back at us. Allusion to real early
20th century medical practices is just one of them. Think about
it: tariffs, immigration, a war (Ukraine) full of imagery
resembling World War II. So it goes. The parsimonious interpretation
of all this is that the nation has been rented out to some sort of
theatrical production.
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck >>whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.
This is the problem with RNA viruses... the mechanism for them to take over
a cell isn't very good and is prone to major transcription errors. So
the virus doesn't propagate cleanly and you get all of these variants with >different antigens. But they are often similar enough that the vaccine
is sometimes helpful even when it isn't spot on.
When the West weaponizes drama it becomes political theater. In answer
to the question rhetorical regarding rule of a democracy by drama (a theatrocracy, in other words), Plato says:
Exposure to dramatic poetry nurtures and waters the passions
instead of drying them up; it sets them up as rulers in us
when they ought to be subjects. ...
The tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other
imitators, he is thrice removed from the king and the truth. ...
Imitative art is far removed from truth and leads the soul
away from the rational to the emotional.
It's a septical spectacle (so to speak) to witness the Anglosphere >desperately cling to its glorious past. Last week theatrocratical [1]
Trump took the cake with Zelensky, no? What would Plato say?
Note.--
[1] Think theatrocracy not theocracy.
Danke,
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 19:39:44 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck
whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.
This is the problem with RNA viruses... the mechanism for them to take over >> a cell isn't very good and is prone to major transcription errors. So
the virus doesn't propagate cleanly and you get all of these variants with >> different antigens. But they are often similar enough that the vaccine
is sometimes helpful even when it isn't spot on.
That's always the excuse when the flu vaccine is an abject failure.
But if /you/ had paid for 50,000,000,000 doses, wouldn't you be trying
to sell them even if you knew they didn't do much?
I'm not anti-vax at all, but I live in an area where herd immunity is
quite high and prefer to coast along. I did get three jabs for the
pandemic, however.
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 15:04:41 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
<snippo>
It's a septical spectacle (so to speak) to witness the Anglosphere
desperately cling to its glorious past. Last week theatrocratical [1]
Trump took the cake with Zelensky, no? What would Plato say?
I'm amazed nobody else has pointed that, of the active participants,
Zelensky was clearly The Adult in the Room.
Meanwhile, Trump is doing his very best to help
Putin.
And appears to be getting Europe to toughen up and move toward a world
in which the USA is a weak reed that injures the hand of all who lean
on it. Good for them.
And Trump's campaign slogan, "Make America Grovel Again", moves
ever-closer to becoming true.
Note.
[1] Think theatrocracy not theocracy.
Danke,
On 3/10/2025 12:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
In article <2a1e5175-5b8a-e142-127a-adfc3b617cc5@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
-=-=-=-=-=-
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:
On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my >>>>>> good health.
I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at >>>>>>>> least as an adult.
See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. >>>>>>
Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know >>>>> it
consciously!
Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they have >>>> faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really have
faith.
This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.
Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?
[Hal Heydt]
I like the construct... WWJD? JWRTFM.
I like to remind people that 'WWJD' includes
attacking with a whip.
pt
Touché! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)
On 3/10/25 12:07 AM, Titus G wrote:
It is obvious even to the untrained reader that "D" really wants Jesus
to take him to that famous pastoral opera:
"Swede Paddock on Gotland Island."
Not obvious to me. Gotland sounds like a nice place, and I've been
exploring the Swedish language a bit, at an absolute beginner level, but other than that I don't get it. Is it a mondegreen for something?
Apart from Trumps theater, he has succeeded in manipulating europe into
at least considering investing in their own security. I predicted this
when I voted for Trump.
So far, reality is unfolding exactly as I have foretold!
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...
True, it can. It killed almost one percent as many people as driving
or walking to the pharmacy to get the vaccination did. And almost
a hundred-thousandth as many people as covid itself did.
We have in our town a fellow who keeps coming to city council meetings >railing against vaccination, and he has been at it for a decade now.
His argument is that children get diseases from hanging around with >undesirable infected people, and that if parents beat their children
for hanging out with the wrong kind of people that they would not be >contracting these childhood diseases.
I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't seen him get up to speak
on so many occasions.
Don wrote:
When the West weaponizes drama it becomes political theater. In answer
to the question rhetorical regarding rule of a democracy by drama (a
theatrocracy, in other words), Plato says:
Exposure to dramatic poetry nurtures and waters the passions
instead of drying them up; it sets them up as rulers in us
when they ought to be subjects. ...
The tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other
imitators, he is thrice removed from the king and the truth. ...
Imitative art is far removed from truth and leads the soul
away from the rational to the emotional.
Plato despised democracy, was a huge advocate of censorship, and would
have had an elite deciding what we should see. They'd replace vulgar
poetry, no doubt, with edifying lectures on how grateful we should be to
the philosopher-kings.
On 11/03/25 00:02, Gary McGath wrote:
On 3/10/25 12:07 AM, Titus G wrote:
It is obvious even to the untrained reader that "D" really wants Jesus
to take him to that famous pastoral opera:
"Swede Paddock on Gotland Island."
Not obvious to me. Gotland sounds like a nice place, and I've been
exploring the Swedish language a bit, at an absolute beginner level, but
other than that I don't get it. Is it a mondegreen for something?
No. It is a reference to the resident troll's previous postings, his
claim that AGW will be solved when the world population moves to Gotland Island, a reference to his fear of homosexuals who are the only people
who attend opera and the conclusion that he is of the plant kingdom by
being in a paddock.
Please pay attention :-)
On 11/03/25 10:08, D wrote:
Touché! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)
Jesus, (caught and put to death about a week later), led his gang of terrorists on a physical attack on those influential rich Jews and their property who were benefiting by commercialisation of the principal
Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by selling animals for sacrifice and changing money for pilgrims.
Trump shifted the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. AIPAC. Epstein
et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.
On 11/03/25 10:06, D wrote:
Apart from Trumps theater, he has succeeded in manipulating europe into
at least considering investing in their own security. I predicted this
when I voted for Trump.
Did you predict that before or after it was mentioned hundreds of times
in various newspapers?
So far, reality is unfolding exactly as I have foretold!
When is Jesus returning and why isn't Trump as orange as the previous
Trump president?
On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Titus G wrote:
On 11/03/25 10:08, D wrote:
Touché! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)
Jesus, (caught and put to death about a week later), led his gang of
terrorists on a physical attack on those influential rich Jews and their
property who were benefiting by commercialisation of the principal
Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by selling animals for sacrifice and changing
money for pilgrims.
Trump shifted the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. AIPAC. Epstein
et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.
Wow! I had no idea! Could you expand a bit on that? I am now very curious!
On 11/03/25 22:28, D wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Titus G wrote:
On 11/03/25 10:08, D wrote:
Touché! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)
Jesus, (caught and put to death about a week later), led his gang of
terrorists on a physical attack on those influential rich Jews and their >>> property who were benefiting by commercialisation of the principal
Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by selling animals for sacrifice and changing >>> money for pilgrims.
Trump shifted the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. AIPAC. Epstein
et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.
Wow! I had no idea! Could you expand a bit on that? I am now very curious!
AIPAC. Epstein et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.
COVID-19 vaccine research wasn't rushed. It was
hastened. Stages of development had money spent
Associated annotations appended.You are using an idiosyncratic definition.
Charles Packer wrote:
WolfFan wrote:
<https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL>
you can’t make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >>> work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.
There is an SF story about that, sort of. It's called "The
Waveries" by Frederick Brown. It's about a deluge of radio signals
that turn out to be early earthly radio broadcasts that have been
bounced back at us. What we're seeing in the public sphere
currently is something analagous: a whole bunch of century-old
cultural memes being bounced back at us. Allusion to real early
20th century medical practices is just one of them. Think about
it: tariffs, immigration, a war (Ukraine) full of imagery
resembling World War II. So it goes. The parsimonious interpretation
of all this is that the nation has been rented out to some sort of
theatrical production.
It's a septical spectacle (so to speak) to witness the Anglosphere desperately cling to its glorious past. Last week theatrocratical [1]
Trump took the cake with Zelensky, no? What would Plato say?
Followup:
When the West weaponizes drama it becomes political theater. In answer
to the question rhetorical regarding rule of a democracy by drama (a theatrocracy, in other words), Plato says:
Exposure to dramatic poetry nurtures and waters the passions
instead of drying them up; it sets them up as rulers in us
when they ought to be subjects. ...
The tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other
imitators, he is thrice removed from the king and the truth. ...
Imitative art is far removed from truth and leads the soul
away from the rational to the emotional.
Philip K Dick's stories commonly contain counterfeit reality. AI's
aggressive avatars in THE GOLDEN AGE by Wright remind me of the
screaming salesmen in SALES PITCH by Dick:
When they noticed Phaethon staring (perhaps they had
registers to note his eye movements and pupil dilation
(such information was, after all, in the public domain)
they folded and swooped, clamoring, pressing around him,
squawking, urging him to try, just once, free trial offer,
their profferred stimulants and additions, false memories,
compositions, and thought schemes. They swarmed like angry
sea gulls or hungry children from some historical drama.
The music was, if anything, worse. A group from the Red
Manorial School on one hillside in the distance were having
a combination scream-feast, Bacchanalia, and composition-
symphony analogue. Emancipated partials of the Psycho-asymmetric
Insulae-Composition were on the other hillside, having a noise
duel. Their experimental 36-and 108-tone scale music, subsonic
and hypersonic, trembled in Phaethon’s teeth. They made no effort
to muffle the sound for the sake of those who did not share their
extensive ear/auditory lobe modifications, their peculiar
subjective time-scale alterations, or their even more peculiar
aesthetic theories. Why should they? Every civilized person was
assumed to have access to some sort of sense-filter to allow them
to block or to tolerate the noise.
Note.
[1] Think theatrocracy not theocracy.
Danke,
Don wrote:
It's a septical spectacle (so to speak) to witness the Anglosphere
desperately cling to its glorious past. Last week theatrocratical [1]
Trump took the cake with Zelensky, no? What would Plato say?
Note.You are using an idiosyncratic definition.
[1] Think theatrocracy not theocracy.
" government by the people assembled in their theater (as in the
Athenian democracy) "
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theatrocracy
Not very Trumpian. Dramatocracy might do.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences,
despite a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would
not recommend.
Was that felony conviction ever recognized as wrongful?
Of course, you could still have other types of life-long
consequences, like PTSD and physical health consequences.
On 3/8/2025 12:56 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.
My former USMC son got the smallpox vaccination from a Navy Corpsman
before his second trip to Iraq in 2007. All 1,500+ men in the Marine >Battalion got the smallpox vaccination.
In article <vt9ruj$9tn4$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/8/2025 12:56 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.
My former USMC son got the smallpox vaccination from a Navy Corpsman
before his second trip to Iraq in 2007. All 1,500+ men in the Marine
Battalion got the smallpox vaccination.
Yeah, there was some fear that someone in Iraq may have been
harboring a few vials of v. major in a freezer somewhere.
Not sure that was a reasonable fear, though. That's on the
list of "non nuclear things you could do that might very well
get you glassed simultaneously by everyone who has nukes" list.
On 23/04/25 12:15, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
In article <vt9ruj$9tn4$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/8/2025 12:56 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.
My former USMC son got the smallpox vaccination from a Navy Corpsman
before his second trip to Iraq in 2007. All 1,500+ men in the Marine
Battalion got the smallpox vaccination.
Yeah, there was some fear that someone in Iraq may have been
harboring a few vials of v. major in a freezer somewhere.
Not sure that was a reasonable fear, though. That's on the
list of "non nuclear things you could do that might very well
get you glassed simultaneously by everyone who has nukes" list.
My memory is a bit cloudy on this but weren't there serious health
issues for a significant percentage of the US military in Iraq because
of an excess of compulsory vaccinations?
issues for a significant percentage of the US military in Iraq because
of an excess of compulsory vaccinations?
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