• Re: Happy "Dennis the Menace" Day

    From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed Mar 12 21:44:27 2025
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    In article <vqsu2t$uv$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    74 years ago today, a new comic strip named "Dennis the Menace," about
    a mischievous child, first appeared in American newspapers.

    On the same day, a new comic strip, also named "Dennis the Menace,"
    also about a mischievous child, first appeared in British newspapers.

    The two comic strips have nothing to do with each other. It's just a >remarkable coincidence.

    What are the odds? And is this evidence that we're living in a
    simulation? In a poorly programmed simulation?

    Well, you can shave a tiny bit off the odds as that was a Monday, a typical
    day for a strip debut.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 12 21:24:45 2025
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    74 years ago today, a new comic strip named "Dennis the Menace," about
    a mischievous child, first appeared in American newspapers.

    On the same day, a new comic strip, also named "Dennis the Menace,"
    also about a mischievous child, first appeared in British newspapers.

    The two comic strips have nothing to do with each other. It's just a remarkable coincidence.

    What are the odds? And is this evidence that we're living in a
    simulation? In a poorly programmed simulation?
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Don_from_AZ@21:1/5 to ted@loft.tnolan.com on Wed Mar 12 20:44:46 2025
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    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

    In article <vqsu2t$uv$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    74 years ago today, a new comic strip named "Dennis the Menace," about
    a mischievous child, first appeared in American newspapers.

    On the same day, a new comic strip, also named "Dennis the Menace,"
    also about a mischievous child, first appeared in British newspapers.

    The two comic strips have nothing to do with each other. It's just a >>remarkable coincidence.

    What are the odds? And is this evidence that we're living in a
    simulation? In a poorly programmed simulation?

    Well, you can shave a tiny bit off the odds as that was a Monday, a typical day for a strip debut.
    And a tiny bit more off the odds, since if somebody wanted to write
    about a child who was a "menace" it would be obvious to call him
    "Dennis" for the rhyme.
    --
    -Don_from_AZ-

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Mar 13 07:56:43 2025
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    On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 21:24:45 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    74 years ago today, a new comic strip named "Dennis the Menace," about a mischievous child, first appeared in American newspapers.

    On the same day, a new comic strip, also named "Dennis the Menace," also about a mischievous child, first appeared in British newspapers.

    The two comic strips have nothing to do with each other. It's just a remarkable coincidence.

    What are the odds? And is this evidence that we're living in a
    simulation? In a poorly programmed simulation?

    I've come to the conclusion that there is a lot in publishing
    that's not coincidental. For example the comics' creators may
    have worked without knowledge of the other, but did their editors?
    Publishers? I'd want to interview the creators to find out /exactly/
    how they settled on the name of their character. Another instance
    of the "special relationship" between Britain and the U.S.?

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 13:04:00 2025
    In article <vqujf0$38ems$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:


    That reminds me of another coincidence -- or plagiarism. At about the
    same time, Tom Lehrer released the song "Poisoning Pigeons in the
    Park," and the German songwriter George Kreisler released "Tauben
    vergiften im Park," which translates as "poisoning pigeons in the
    park." The songs present the same idea of celebrating spring by
    poisoning pigeons, and they're even somewhat similar musically.
    Lehrer and Kreisler accused each other of plagiarism, but nothing was
    ever proven in court.

    For that matter, am I the only one who thinks the Lehrer sounds like the
    Piaf song L´Accordeoniste?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoCq1sTnpv8&ab_channel=mariemauriceI

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Mar 13 08:35:44 2025
    On 3/12/25 5:24 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    74 years ago today, a new comic strip named "Dennis the Menace," about
    a mischievous child, first appeared in American newspapers.

    On the same day, a new comic strip, also named "Dennis the Menace,"
    also about a mischievous child, first appeared in British newspapers.

    The two comic strips have nothing to do with each other. It's just a remarkable coincidence.

    What are the odds? And is this evidence that we're living in a
    simulation? In a poorly programmed simulation?

    That reminds me of another coincidence -- or plagiarism. At about the
    same time, Tom Lehrer released the song "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park,"
    and the German songwriter George Kreisler released "Tauben vergiften im
    Park," which translates as "poisoning pigeons in the park." The songs
    present the same idea of celebrating spring by poisoning pigeons, and
    they're even somewhat similar musically. Lehrer and Kreisler accused
    each other of plagiarism, but nothing was ever proven in court.

    Kreisler wrote another song, "Die Hand," which tells the same story,
    down to the details, as Lehrer's "I Hold Your Hand in Mine."

    As far as I know, Georg Kreisler was unrelated to either the famous
    violinist Fritz Kreisler or the American auto maker.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Mar 13 13:15:00 2025
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    In article <memo.20250313130438.9928B@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>, prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    But Dennis in the UK appeared in a weekly comic called The Beano -
    it's
    still going.

    And, according to Wikipedia, the first issue containing Dennis was dated
    17th March but went on sale on the 12th.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Mar 13 12:36:55 2025
    On 3/13/25 9:04 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <vqujf0$38ems$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:


    That reminds me of another coincidence -- or plagiarism. At about the
    same time, Tom Lehrer released the song "Poisoning Pigeons in the
    Park," and the German songwriter George Kreisler released "Tauben
    vergiften im Park," which translates as "poisoning pigeons in the
    park." The songs present the same idea of celebrating spring by
    poisoning pigeons, and they're even somewhat similar musically.
    Lehrer and Kreisler accused each other of plagiarism, but nothing was
    ever proven in court.

    For that matter, am I the only one who thinks the Lehrer sounds like the
    Piaf song L´Accordeoniste?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoCq1sTnpv8&ab_channel=mariemauriceI

    A little, but it's commonly used waltz tropes.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Tim Merrigan@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Mar 13 17:57:08 2025
    On 3/13/2025 6:04 AM, Paul Dormer wrote:
    In article <vqujf0$38ems$1@dont-email.me>, garym@mcgath.com (Gary McGath) wrote:


    That reminds me of another coincidence -- or plagiarism. At about the
    same time, Tom Lehrer released the song "Poisoning Pigeons in the
    Park," and the German songwriter George Kreisler released "Tauben
    vergiften im Park," which translates as "poisoning pigeons in the
    park." The songs present the same idea of celebrating spring by
    poisoning pigeons, and they're even somewhat similar musically.
    Lehrer and Kreisler accused each other of plagiarism, but nothing was
    ever proven in court.

    For that matter, am I the only one who thinks the Lehrer sounds like the
    Piaf song L´Accordeoniste?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoCq1sTnpv8&ab_channel=mariemauriceI

    I think there's an English language song to that tune, besides Lehrer's

    --

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    Tim Merrigan

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid on Fri Mar 14 00:22:43 2025
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    Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
    ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
    Well, you can shave a tiny bit off the odds as that was a Monday, a
    typical day for a strip debut.

    Why should Monday be the most typical day on both sides of the Atlantic?

    And a tiny bit more off the odds, since if somebody wanted to write
    about a child who was a "menace" it would be obvious to call him
    "Dennis" for the rhyme.

    True. I checked the OED to see when "menace" first appeared. It was
    in 1300 with essentially the modern meaning.

    I then checked Wikipedia's Dennis disambiguation page. The earliest
    person with a first name of Dennis it listed was from 1750.

    What about daily comic strips with recurring characters? Those seem
    to have begun in 1894. So that's when all three elements first came
    together. About 48,000 days ago. Or about 7000 Mondays. So for the
    two strips to begin on the same Monday had about a 1 in 7000 chance.

    Of course if it wasn't the same Monday, only one of them would have
    survived, as the other would have successfully sued for trademark
    infringement. So there is some selection bias.

    Similarly, the fact that life has thrived on Earth for long enough to
    develop intelligence says nothing about the likelihood that it has
    happened anywhere else. It only proves that it's physically possible.
    We could be alone in the universe.

    Another similar coincidence is the two similarly-themed TV sitcoms
    about monstrous or supernatural families, The Addams Family and The
    Munsters. They began just six days apart, so neither could have been
    at all based on or inspired by the other. (TAF was based on a comic
    strip, and TM was based on Universal's monsters.)

    If you're wondering about the similar shows Bewitched and I Dream of
    Jeannie, the latter started a year after the former, so was probably
    inspired by it. Similarly with Lost in Space and Star Trek.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu Mar 13 21:17:15 2025
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    On 3/13/25 8:22 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    Another similar coincidence is the two similarly-themed TV sitcoms
    about monstrous or supernatural families, The Addams Family and The
    Munsters. They began just six days apart, so neither could have been
    at all based on or inspired by the other. (TAF was based on a comic
    strip, and TM was based on Universal's monsters.)

    _The Munsters_ was inspired by the Addams characters, but by Charles
    Addams' cartoons rather than the TV show that was directly based on
    them. Allan Burns, creator of _The Munsters_, said, "We sort of stole
    the idea from Charles Addams and his New Yorker cartoons."


    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Fri Mar 14 11:23:00 2025
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    In article <vqv9o0$3na1u$1@dont-email.me>, petertrei@gmail.com
    (Cryptoengineer) wrote:


    Its normal for periodicals to carry the date they should be removed
    from
    the dealer, rather than the date they arrived.

    I don't think that's the case in the UK.

    For instance, New Scientist has a cover date of Saturday. I received the latest issue yesterday, The cover date is the 15th. It will still be on display in news agents for most of next week.

    I've heard American visitors asking why old magazines are still on
    display. I remember when I started reading Analog back in the late
    sixties, early seventies, before I subscribed. Railway station
    bookstalls were a good place to find it. On one occasion, as I was
    paying at the counter the assistant said they'd actually got it in early
    this month. What she meant was that the month on the cover was actually
    the current month on the calendar.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Fri Mar 14 08:46:55 2025
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    On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <vqv9o0$3na1u$1@dont-email.me>, petertrei@gmail.com >(Cryptoengineer) wrote:


    Its normal for periodicals to carry the date they should be removed
    from
    the dealer, rather than the date they arrived.

    I don't think that's the case in the UK.

    For instance, New Scientist has a cover date of Saturday. I received the >latest issue yesterday, The cover date is the 15th. It will still be on >display in news agents for most of next week.

    I've heard American visitors asking why old magazines are still on
    display. I remember when I started reading Analog back in the late
    sixties, early seventies, before I subscribed. Railway station
    bookstalls were a good place to find it. On one occasion, as I was
    paying at the counter the assistant said they'd actually got it in early
    this month. What she meant was that the month on the cover was actually
    the current month on the calendar.

    IIRC, at least one publisher of one of the magazines I subscribed to
    at the time stated that, if the cover date wasn't a month or two later
    than the month the issue was published, people would not buy it
    because it was "old".

    Currently, that applies to the two military history magazines
    (possibly because they are sold in retail stores as well as by
    subscription), but the two that apparently are subscription-only (and
    would, no doubt, prefer to drop their print copies for their
    website/PDF versions) use the current month (or months in the case of
    the bimonthly one) or come at the end of the month before the date on
    the cover.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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