On 6/16/25 2:21 AM, Jerry Brown wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 13:22:48 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
<snip>
Disney, however, takes great works and ruins them. That's my objection. >>> Whoever decided to tack a happy ending on to Hunchback of Notre Dame
deserves
to be thrown in the catacombs.
20,00 Leagues Under the Sea is a bit of an oddity in that Nemo is much
nastier than in the book, and the ending was changed so that Nemo died
despite surviving until "The Mysterious Island" book-wise. Imagine
that nowadays, where the norm is to leave an opening for sequels.
Book-wise the time line is a mess. 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA takes
place from 1866 to 1868, after the American Civil War, while THE
MYSTERIOUS ISLAND starts during the American Civil War in 1865 and goes
to 1869. During that time, Nemo does not seem to be gone from the
island for any extended period of time.
On 6/16/25 8:41 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
On 6/16/25 2:21 AM, Jerry Brown wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 13:22:48 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
<snip>
Disney, however, takes great works and ruins them. That's my objection. >>>> Whoever decided to tack a happy ending on to Hunchback of Notre Dame
deserves
to be thrown in the catacombs.
20,00 Leagues Under the Sea is a bit of an oddity in that Nemo is much
nastier than in the book, and the ending was changed so that Nemo died
despite surviving until "The Mysterious Island" book-wise. Imagine
that nowadays, where the norm is to leave an opening for sequels.
Book-wise the time line is a mess. 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA takes
place from 1866 to 1868, after the American Civil War, while THE
MYSTERIOUS ISLAND starts during the American Civil War in 1865 and goes
to 1869. During that time, Nemo does not seem to be gone from the
island for any extended period of time.
My recollection is that in the book _20,000 Leagues_, Nemo appears to
die at the end, but he's brought back for _Mysterious Island_. It's been
a long time since I've read either, though, so I might be wrong.
My recollection is that in the book _20,000 Leagues_, Nemo appears to
die at the end, but he's brought back for _Mysterious Island_. It's been
a long time since I've read either, though, so I might be wrong.
My memory of the book is that Aronnax, etc escaped in a detachable pod
while Nemo and the crew were busy battling a storm, but it was about
40 years ago that I read it.
Maybe time for a reread.
On 6/16/25 11:29 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Oh, and that my father had to point out that the "20,000 leagues" were
a horizontal measurement, not a vertical one. I was quite young at the
time.
I had to point this out to someone (an adult) on a panel at Philcon 2005.
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 12:46:16 -0400, "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/16/25 11:29 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
<snippo, topic is /20,000 Leagues Under the Sea/.
Oh, and that my father had to point out that the "20,000 leagues" were
a horizontal measurement, not a vertical one. I was quite young at the
time.
I had to point this out to someone (an adult) on a panel at Philcon 2005.
In my (our?) defense, the Nautilus /is/ a submarine and submerging is
what it does. But the horizontal interpretation is correct.
Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
My memory of the book is that Aronnax, etc escaped in a detachable pod >>while Nemo and the crew were busy battling a storm, but it was about
40 years ago that I read it.
Maybe time for a reread.
If you are reading in translation, let me suggest that the recent translation >is MUCH better than the old version we grew up with.
--scott
I looked for it on Kindle and there are several recent editions. Who
is the translator of the better version, please?
Would the same be the case for Journey to the Centre of the Earth and
the Moon books?
On 6/17/2025 8:14 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 12:46:16 -0400, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
<evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/16/25 11:29 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
<snippo, topic is /20,000 Leagues Under the Sea/.
In my (our?) defense, the Nautilus /is/ a submarine and submerging isOh, and that my father had to point out that the "20,000 leagues" were >>>> a horizontal measurement, not a vertical one. I was quite young at the >>>> time.
I had to point this out to someone (an adult) on a panel at Philcon 2005. >>
what it does. But the horizontal interpretation is correct.
OTOH, 20,000 leagues is approximately 10 times the diameter of the Earth.
Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
I looked for it on Kindle and there are several recent editions. Who
is the translator of the better version, please?
There are several new translations. Coward's and Butcher's are apparently >both good and people argue about which one is better. But everyone
agrees that the old Mercier translation is awful.
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