• Re: MT VOID, 08/08/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 6, Whole Number 2392

    From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Sun Aug 10 10:58:12 2025
    On 8/10/25 9:07 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    TOPIC: Tsundoku

    Today's magic word is "tsundoku": "the phenomenon of acquiring
    reading materials but letting them pile up in one's home without
    reading them. The term is also used to refer to unread books on a
    bookshelf meant for reading later." [-Wikipedia]

    Adding this word to my vocabulary.

    This film also has the "fake ending" one sometimes see, where
    everything seems resolved but in fact there is yet another threat
    or twist. This is usually about twenty minutes from the end, and
    we first noticed it in POLTERGEIST. On our second viewing, when
    the "fake ending" came along, several audience members got up to
    leave (presumably to beat the rush out of the parking lot). We
    were torn between not wanting to give away anything to the people
    remaining, and wanting to yell at them, "Come back, you
    morons--you're missing the best part!"

    Haydn used that trick in his 90th symphony. It comes to what seems like
    a typical emphatic ending, pauses for four measures during which the
    audience will doubtless start applauding, and then resumes quietly in
    the "wrong" key, building to the real ending a minute and a half later.

    By that logic, as someone somewhere between atheist and agnostic,
    I should be afraid of death.  I'm not. I first faced my real
    chance of death a bit over twenty-five years ago and found it
    didn't bother me at all. (The situation was prepping for bypass
    surgery. Not all who undergo it survive.  My vastly bigger fear
    was surviving with brain damage, which can also happen.)

    As I understand the terms, you can't really be "between" atheist and
    agnostic. To be atheistic means not to believe in a god. To be agnostic
    means to think the question of a deity's existence can't be resolved. An agnostic can believe that there's a god in spite of that lack of
    evidence, or not.

    The main point is that being atheistic doesn't require affirmatively
    believing in the non-existence of a god. Someone who has never been
    exposed to the idea of gods and hasn't come up with it independently
    would be an atheist.

    Personally, I don't fear death (the state of being dead), but I do fear
    dying (the process).



    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Dorothy J Heydt@21:1/5 to garym@mcgath.com on Sun Aug 10 19:24:14 2025
    In article <107ac24$1vbbm$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    By that logic, as someone somewhere between atheist and agnostic,
    I should be afraid of death.  I'm not. I first faced my real
    chance of death a bit over twenty-five years ago and found it
    didn't bother me at all. (The situation was prepping for bypass
    surgery. Not all who undergo it survive.  My vastly bigger fear
    was surviving with brain damage, which can also happen.)

    As I understand the terms, you can't really be "between" atheist and >agnostic. To be atheistic means not to believe in a god. To be agnostic
    means to think the question of a deity's existence can't be resolved. An >agnostic can believe that there's a god in spite of that lack of
    evidence, or not.

    The main point is that being atheistic doesn't require affirmatively >believing in the non-existence of a god. Someone who has never been
    exposed to the idea of gods and hasn't come up with it independently
    would be an atheist.

    Personally, I don't fear death (the state of being dead), but I do fear
    dying (the process).

    [Hal Heydt]

    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    As for death... In the specific instance, I would never have
    experienced dying.

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  • From Jay Morris@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Sun Aug 10 16:37:28 2025
    On 8/10/2025 8:07 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    UNEARTHLY STRANGER (1963): UNEARTHLY STRANGER was made by Anglo
    Amalgamated, who also made THE MIND BENDERS (another of Mark's
    "forgotten science fiction films") and the "Carry On" films.

    The film is told in flashback, and there is an odd continuity
    problem which makes one think the framing sequence was added later
    by someone who did not read the script very closely. (In the
    opening, the character who is the skeptic in the main part of the
    film talks about how he believed and the other character was the
    skeptic.)

    (Also, the claim is that the aliens don't blink, except they do.)

    The only time I noticed any blinking was at the dinner table and I think
    Julia was playing upon the line "Thank you Kindly Sir she said" and John follows up with "as she waved her wooden leg aloft". This was evidently
    a saying at the time.


    Once again we have a shot of a spiral staircase shot off
    kilter--this is a real favorite of directors.

    Released theatrically April 1964.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057623/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/unearthly-stranger>
    It's at Internet Archives. I enjoyed it, https://archive.org/details/unearthly-stranger

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 10 19:58:56 2025
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    Perhaps it makes you actually a god, but you don't know it yet?
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Dorothy J Heydt on Sun Aug 10 20:20:00 2025
    On 8/10/25 3:24 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <107ac24$1vbbm$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:

    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    Both. You say you don't know whether the question can be resolved.
    That's the agnostic position. You also say your default position is that
    god(s) do not exist. That's the atheist position. The two aren't
    mutually exclusive.

    As for death... In the specific instance, I would never have
    experienced dying.

    Sounds to me like the best way to die, given that we have to.

    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

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  • From Tim Illingworth@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Aug 10 21:47:00 2025
    On 8/10/2025 7:58 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    Perhaps it makes you actually a god, but you don't know it yet?
    --scott


    You are Emperor Claudius and I claim my 5 million sesterces.

    Tim

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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Evelyn C. Leeper on Mon Aug 11 16:42:00 2025
    In article <107a5ib$1scd5$1@dont-email.me>,
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    [RUMOURS] is on Sky Cinema in the UK this week, and I've long been
    a Maddin fan, so I'm going to record it. [-pd]

    Nowhere as weird as his other films.

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