• Dexter: Original Sin season 1 (spoilers)

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 17 17:07:14 2025
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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set
    in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with
    Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation
    whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?

    It's been close to two decades since Dexter. We saw, in Dexter's
    recollection, his "birth in blood" -- his mother's -- by himself, but
    he's forgotten his older brother. In Dexter season 1, the Ice Truck
    Killer was Brian, trying to get Dexter's attention.

    I had completely forgotten Brian too.

    At times, we see yet another backstory, Brian committing crimes, going
    after people who "wronged him", backstory within that backstory.

    LaGuerta (Christina Milian brilliantly emulating Lauren Velez)
    investigates a series of murders that she complains are too low profile;
    she gets Harry assigned to her cases to appease her.

    Dexter, having a nose for serial killers (and having read ahead in the
    scripts) spot a pattern even though there's no pattern; all of
    LaGuerta's cases are linked, AND it turns out these are Brian's crimes.
    Harry, in files of a dead psychiatrist (which you'd think would have
    been a higher profile investigation) outside Miami Metro, learns that
    Brian was a patient, then spotted Brian at photos taken of gawkers at
    crime scenes.

    He tries to hide it from LaGuerta by... leaving the file on top in the
    vehicle, knowing LaGuerta will look inside.

    Brian's killings are left unresolved at the end of the season.

    Earlier in the season, Harry disgraces himself by blowing a high-profile
    case, confronted at trial during cross examination about failure to
    obtain a search warrant (I think but I've forgotten). In real life, there
    would have been a separate evidentiary hearing or at least a hearing on
    a suppression motion during trial, but it would NOT have been in front
    of the jury.

    As I generally disliked Grey's Anatomy, especially Dr. McDreary, I've
    only liked a few Patrick Dempsey performances. I liked him on the
    British series Devils (playing, heh, Harry Morgan), and I liked him in
    this as the police captain revealed to be the child kidnapper/torturer
    and murderer. Dexter spots him, well, there's blood evidence. Harry
    won't believe Dexter as this is his best friend. Turns out he went after
    other children to hide that the target was his own son, whom he
    kidnapped and tortured to spite his ex-wife after a bad divorce. Father
    of the year, he ain't.

    Deb (Molly Brown, making the character her own as she gets several
    emotional scenes she does well that Jennifer Carpeter never got) goes
    through an incredibly fast maturing. Her mother Doris has just died, she
    loses a boy and breaks up with her best friend as she then dates him,
    she tries to get Dexter to date a high-school girl (utterly ridiculous
    that Harry wouldn't put a stop to it), and suddenly coming down with
    daddy issues, dates a wealthy man. He's apparently a drug trafficker
    (and I've got to believe his off-screen father is a major gangster)
    and, worse still, about to get married.

    She beats up a girl, loses then regains a volleyball scholarship
    (because REASONS), and then suddenly decides to become a police officer
    after a non-pep talk from LaGuerta.

    Harry, as played by Christian Slater, is a very different character than
    the character played in the backstory in the original series by James
    Remar.

    The timelines between the two series are twisted. In Harry's backstory
    in the original series, we see him raising Dexter as a teenager in the
    years BEFORE this series is set.

    Now we get into the massive retcon.

    Over the seasons of the original, the viewer came to realize that "inner Dexter" was a false narrator, and Harry was a manipulative bastard.

    Dexter had killed some pets in the backstory of the original story;
    Harry decided that Dexter was incorrigible and a potential psychotic
    murderer, having been "born in blood".

    What we saw was Harry giving Dexter "The Code" to "properly" channel his aggressions, but Harry felt weak as certain criminal were beyond the
    reach of law. He decided to train his own son in vengeance.

    Dexter claimed he made no human connections and wasn't empathetic, but
    the audience saw a character who had normal emotions, deeply repressed.

    In the original, Dexter didn't start out as a serial killer whose worst impulses were in control. Instead, we came to realize that Harry's
    manipulation of Dexter encouraged his worst impulses, brought them to
    the forefront, then channeled them.

    In this series, Harry has second thoughts about having given Dexter "The
    Code". Harry isn't feeling vengeful, and he tries to prevent Dexter from
    making his first kill.

    Dexter, instead, manipulates Harry, gets him to approve the kill while
    Harry is literally weak from his first major heart attack, and their
    encounter with a nurse who treats patients with serious disease with
    murder.

    Later murders committed by Dexter? Not at Harry's direction. In fact,
    once Capt. Spencer's guilt is established, Harry admits that Dexter's
    instincts were spot on.

    Therefore, at no point during this series did we see Dexter killing on
    Harry's instructions, which is a massive retcon.

    I liked Slater's performance despite the huge changes.

    The series was entertaining.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Feb 17 13:47:57 2025
    On 2025-02-17 12:07 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set
    in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with
    Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation
    whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?

    You're not trying to say that Harry is the father of Brian or Dexter are
    you? Because I distinctly remember a scene where Harry drops Laura off
    at her home and meets both Brian and Dexter, apparently for the first
    time. Or did you see something that made you believe Harry and Laura had
    been intimate previously and that Harry had fathered both boys?

    It's been close to two decades since Dexter. We saw, in Dexter's recollection, his "birth in blood" -- his mother's -- by himself, but
    he's forgotten his older brother. In Dexter season 1, the Ice Truck
    Killer was Brian, trying to get Dexter's attention.

    Season 1? I thought we met Brian in Season 2. I could be wrong!

    I had completely forgotten Brian too.

    At times, we see yet another backstory, Brian committing crimes, going
    after people who "wronged him", backstory within that backstory.

    LaGuerta (Christina Milian brilliantly emulating Lauren Velez)
    investigates a series of murders that she complains are too low profile;
    she gets Harry assigned to her cases to appease her.

    Dexter, having a nose for serial killers (and having read ahead in the scripts) spot a pattern even though there's no pattern; all of
    LaGuerta's cases are linked, AND it turns out these are Brian's crimes. Harry, in files of a dead psychiatrist (which you'd think would have
    been a higher profile investigation) outside Miami Metro, learns that
    Brian was a patient, then spotted Brian at photos taken of gawkers at
    crime scenes.

    He tries to hide it from LaGuerta by... leaving the file on top in the vehicle, knowing LaGuerta will look inside.

    Brian's killings are left unresolved at the end of the season.

    Earlier in the season, Harry disgraces himself by blowing a high-profile case, confronted at trial during cross examination about failure to
    obtain a search warrant (I think but I've forgotten). In real life, there would have been a separate evidentiary hearing or at least a hearing on
    a suppression motion during trial, but it would NOT have been in front
    of the jury.

    As I generally disliked Grey's Anatomy, especially Dr. McDreary, I've
    only liked a few Patrick Dempsey performances. I liked him on the
    British series Devils (playing, heh, Harry Morgan), and I liked him in
    this as the police captain revealed to be the child kidnapper/torturer
    and murderer. Dexter spots him, well, there's blood evidence. Harry
    won't believe Dexter as this is his best friend. Turns out he went after other children to hide that the target was his own son, whom he
    kidnapped and tortured to spite his ex-wife after a bad divorce. Father
    of the year, he ain't.

    In the final episode, we see that he has serious doubts about being the
    father of his son, implying that his wife's affair was a long-standing
    one. Killing the boy seems to be his ultimate revenge on his wife's
    betrayal.

    Deb (Molly Brown, making the character her own as she gets several
    emotional scenes she does well that Jennifer Carpeter never got) goes
    through an incredibly fast maturing. Her mother Doris has just died, she loses a boy and breaks up with her best friend as she then dates him,
    she tries to get Dexter to date a high-school girl (utterly ridiculous
    that Harry wouldn't put a stop to it), and suddenly coming down with
    daddy issues, dates a wealthy man. He's apparently a drug trafficker
    (and I've got to believe his off-screen father is a major gangster)
    and, worse still, about to get married.

    She beats up a girl, loses then regains a volleyball scholarship
    (because REASONS), and then suddenly decides to become a police officer
    after a non-pep talk from LaGuerta.

    Harry, as played by Christian Slater, is a very different character than
    the character played in the backstory in the original series by James
    Remar.

    The timelines between the two series are twisted. In Harry's backstory
    in the original series, we see him raising Dexter as a teenager in the
    years BEFORE this series is set.

    Now we get into the massive retcon.

    Over the seasons of the original, the viewer came to realize that "inner Dexter" was a false narrator, and Harry was a manipulative bastard.

    Dexter had killed some pets in the backstory of the original story;
    Harry decided that Dexter was incorrigible and a potential psychotic murderer, having been "born in blood".

    What we saw was Harry giving Dexter "The Code" to "properly" channel his aggressions, but Harry felt weak as certain criminal were beyond the
    reach of law. He decided to train his own son in vengeance.

    Dexter claimed he made no human connections and wasn't empathetic, but
    the audience saw a character who had normal emotions, deeply repressed.

    In the prequel, we also saw that Dexter saved Nicky at the risk of
    exposure - Nicky might well have recognized Dexter from the police
    station but they staged things such that Nicky was mostly unconscious
    during Dexter's rescue - even though he must have had a huge hunger for
    killing the murderous captain.

    In the original, Dexter didn't start out as a serial killer whose worst impulses were in control. Instead, we came to realize that Harry's manipulation of Dexter encouraged his worst impulses, brought them to
    the forefront, then channeled them.

    The original series is distant enough that my memory is somewhat hazy
    now. I truly don't remember Harry actually encouraging Dexter to kill
    anyone specific. In the prequel though, Harry specifically green-lighted
    the killing of the nurse and, I think, some others.

    In this series, Harry has second thoughts about having given Dexter "The Code". Harry isn't feeling vengeful, and he tries to prevent Dexter from making his first kill.

    Dexter, instead, manipulates Harry, gets him to approve the kill while
    Harry is literally weak from his first major heart attack, and their encounter with a nurse who treats patients with serious disease with
    murder.

    Later murders committed by Dexter? Not at Harry's direction. In fact,
    once Capt. Spencer's guilt is established, Harry admits that Dexter's instincts were spot on.

    Therefore, at no point during this series did we see Dexter killing on Harry's instructions, which is a massive retcon.

    I liked Slater's performance despite the huge changes.

    The series was entertaining.

    I watched this prequel as it aired and agree that it was worth my time.
    The one major question I still have about it is whether this prequel is
    over now or might we expect more seasons of Original Sin? I'm not clear
    if this is a "one-season-and-done" like 1883 or something meant to be
    ongoing.

    I know that there is another Dexter series, called Dexter: Resurrection, starting in a few months with some of the original cast back, especially Michael C. Hall. I'm curious whether we can expect *both* to be ongoing.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Feb 17 19:47:36 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-17 12:07 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set
    in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with >>Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation >>whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?

    You're not trying to say that Harry is the father of Brian or Dexter are
    you? . . .

    I clearly said Harry had an affair with Laura Moser, who had two sons.

    . . .

    In the final episode, we see that he has serious doubts about being the >father of his son, implying that his wife's affair was a long-standing
    one. Killing the boy seems to be his ultimate revenge on his wife's
    betrayal.

    If the boy had another father, then he justified violence against him in
    his own mind because he wasn't the natural father.

    Regardless, if he had reason to believe that when he wasn't acting on
    anger and resentment toward his wife, he'd have had a test done. Blood
    testing, even without DNA testing that wouldn't have been available at
    the time, could have ruled him out as the boy's father. A police
    detective would have known that.

    I assume he didn't have reason to believe it at all.

    . . .

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  • From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Feb 17 15:45:19 2025
    On 2/17/25 9:07 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set
    in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with
    Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation
    whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?
    [snip]

    The series was entertaining.

    They like it enough on Reddit that they want a season #2. They didn't
    want that with the sequel series.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Tue Feb 18 01:41:13 2025
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/17/25 9:07 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set
    in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with >>Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation >>whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?
    [snip]

    The series was entertaining.

    They like it enough on Reddit that they want a season #2. They didn't
    want that with the sequel series.

    That was poorly done.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Mon Feb 17 23:22:39 2025
    On 2025-02-17 6:45 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 2/17/25 9:07 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set
    in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with
    Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation
    whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?
    [snip]

    The series was entertaining.

    They like it enough on Reddit that they want a season #2. They didn't
    want that with the sequel series.


    Interesting. But they haven't seen Dexter: Resurrection yet so they
    might yet come to want more of Resurrection.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Feb 17 23:20:56 2025
    On 2025-02-17 2:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-17 12:07 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set >>> in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with
    Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation
    whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?

    You're not trying to say that Harry is the father of Brian or Dexter are
    you? . . .

    I clearly said Harry had an affair with Laura Moser, who had two sons.

    Yes you did but you might have had a different perception of how long
    the affair had been going on and whether it might have been long enough
    for Harry to father one or both of her sons.

    . . .

    In the final episode, we see that he has serious doubts about being the
    father of his son, implying that his wife's affair was a long-standing
    one. Killing the boy seems to be his ultimate revenge on his wife's
    betrayal.

    If the boy had another father, then he justified violence against him in
    his own mind because he wasn't the natural father.

    Regardless, if he had reason to believe that when he wasn't acting on
    anger and resentment toward his wife, he'd have had a test done. Blood testing, even without DNA testing that wouldn't have been available at
    the time, could have ruled him out as the boy's father. A police
    detective would have known that.

    Agreed. A simple blood test would have been sufficient to prove/disprove paternity and the captain would have known it.

    I assume he didn't have reason to believe it at all.


    Was Spencer so emotional that he would have forgotten that a blood test
    might put his mind at ease over Nicky's paternity? It seems dubious but
    not impossible.

    . . .


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Feb 18 04:37:58 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-17 2:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-17 12:07 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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    . . .

    In the final episode, we see that he has serious doubts about being the >>>father of his son, implying that his wife's affair was a long-standing >>>one. Killing the boy seems to be his ultimate revenge on his wife's >>>betrayal.

    If the boy had another father, then he justified violence against him in >>his own mind because he wasn't the natural father.

    Regardless, if he had reason to believe that when he wasn't acting on
    anger and resentment toward his wife, he'd have had a test done. Blood >>testing, even without DNA testing that wouldn't have been available at
    the time, could have ruled him out as the boy's father. A police
    detective would have known that.

    Agreed. A simple blood test would have been sufficient to prove/disprove >paternity and the captain would have known it.

    I assume he didn't have reason to believe it at all.

    Was Spencer so emotional that he would have forgotten that a blood test
    might put his mind at ease over Nicky's paternity? It seems dubious but
    not impossible.

    The emotional onslaught came on suddenly. Then Dexter and another
    detective sort of agreed it was possible for someone to flip out
    unexpectedly. It was a script weakness.

    . . .

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Feb 17 23:25:22 2025
    On 2025-02-17 8:41 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/17/25 9:07 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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    This is largely continuing story with only a few killers of the week.

    The whole series is backstroy to the original series, with "present" set >>> in 1991, plus backstory within backstory telling of Harry's affair with
    Laura Moser, in which she has a five year old son Brian, and three year
    old Dexter. Harry, Dexter's father, had an affair with Laura, whom he
    made a C.I. to take down a drug trafficker with... no preparation
    whatsoever. How might this possibly go wrong?
    [snip]

    The series was entertaining.

    They like it enough on Reddit that they want a season #2. They didn't
    want that with the sequel series.

    That was poorly done.

    Oh, you mean the sequel series where Dexter was Jim something in New
    York state. Yeah, that was not anything I particularly wanted to see
    more of either. But it looks like we're getting it anyway since both
    Dexter and his son will be in Dexter: Resurrection.

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