• [OT] Bass fires fire chief

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 13:37:16 2025
    I was interested to see that LA mayor Karen Bass has (finally) fired the
    chief of the LA Fire Department.

    https://www.castanet.net/news/World/534600/LA-mayor-dismisses-fire-chief-over-response-to-most-destructive-wildfire-in-city-history-last-month

    There would appear to be ample justification for this firing. I'm
    disappointed to see that Bass is still the mayor of LA though. I thought
    there was a move to force her out too?

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Feb 22 19:36:38 2025
    In <vpd7sa$3am0$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    I've also read that a great deal of firefighting vehicles and apparatus
    were out of repair. Was that the fault of the fire chief or the mayor's >office?

    Part, emphasis on "part", of the problem is the DRAMATIC increase
    in costs of repairs and of replacements. Now it's clearly a top
    level management (including the Mayor) as to budget priorities,
    but what used to be an annoyance is now a critically high line item

    https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/did-a-private-equity-fire-truck-roll

    My guess is this is buck passing.

    ain't no disagreement here....
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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Sat Feb 22 14:48:08 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 19:17:30 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I was interested to see that LA mayor Karen Bass has (finally) fired the >>chief of the LA Fire Department.

    https://www.castanet.net/news/World/534600/LA-mayor-dismisses-fire-chief-over-response-to-most-destructive-wildfire-in-city-history-last-month

    There would appear to be ample justification for this firing. I'm >>disappointed to see that Bass is still the mayor of LA though. I thought >>there was a move to force her out too?

    Given the cuts in the firefighting budget, was there a plan to
    pre-deploy men and equipment during fire season that the mayor's office >overrode?

    I've also read that a great deal of firefighting vehicles and apparatus
    were out of repair. Was that the fault of the fire chief or the mayor's >office?

    My guess is this is buck passing.

    Agreed. Based on the few reports I've seen it seems like there was no reasonable justification given for the firing (asking for an immediate
    after action report just a few weeks after the fires) so it does feel
    more like a way to avoid blame. It does sound like there are pathways
    for the fire chief to fight the removal if she wishes which may bring
    to light whether the firing was reasonable or just buck passing.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sat Feb 22 19:17:30 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I was interested to see that LA mayor Karen Bass has (finally) fired the >chief of the LA Fire Department.

    https://www.castanet.net/news/World/534600/LA-mayor-dismisses-fire-chief-over-response-to-most-destructive-wildfire-in-city-history-last-month

    There would appear to be ample justification for this firing. I'm >disappointed to see that Bass is still the mayor of LA though. I thought >there was a move to force her out too?

    Given the cuts in the firefighting budget, was there a plan to
    pre-deploy men and equipment during fire season that the mayor's office overrode?

    I've also read that a great deal of firefighting vehicles and apparatus
    were out of repair. Was that the fault of the fire chief or the mayor's
    office?

    My guess is this is buck passing.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Sat Feb 22 20:27:16 2025
    danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I've also read that a great deal of firefighting vehicles and apparatus >>were out of repair. Was that the fault of the fire chief or the mayor's >>office?

    Part, emphasis on "part", of the problem is the DRAMATIC increase
    in costs of repairs and of replacements. Now it's clearly a top
    level management (including the Mayor) as to budget priorities,
    but what used to be an annoyance is now a critically high line item

    https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/did-a-private-equity-fire-truck-roll

    Sherman Anti-Trust Act got repealed when I wasn't looking?

    This is outrageous.

    My guess is this is buck passing.

    ain't no disagreement here....

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 20:31:41 2025
    On Feb 22, 2025 at 10:37:16 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I was interested to see that LA mayor Karen Bass has (finally) fired the chief of the LA Fire Department.

    While the firing was definitely warranted, it takes a lot of gall for Bass to be the one who fired her, when Bass's own incompetency dwarfs Crowley's.


    https://www.castanet.net/news/World/534600/LA-mayor-dismisses-fire-chief-over-response-to-most-destructive-wildfire-in-city-history-last-month

    There would appear to be ample justification for this firing. I'm disappointed to see that Bass is still the mayor of LA though. I thought there was a move to force her out too?

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 17:57:55 2025
    On 2025-02-22 3:31 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Feb 22, 2025 at 10:37:16 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I was interested to see that LA mayor Karen Bass has (finally) fired the
    chief of the LA Fire Department.

    While the firing was definitely warranted, it takes a lot of gall for Bass to be the one who fired her, when Bass's own incompetency dwarfs Crowley's.


    https://www.castanet.net/news/World/534600/LA-mayor-dismisses-fire-chief-over-response-to-most-destructive-wildfire-in-city-history-last-month

    There would appear to be ample justification for this firing. I'm
    disappointed to see that Bass is still the mayor of LA though. I thought
    there was a move to force her out too?



    Did an initiative to sack Bass ever get going? If it did, what is the
    plan? Obviously, they haven't actually sacked her yet but it would be
    nice to know it might still happen.

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    Rhino

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Feb 22 15:24:58 2025
    On 2/22/2025 11:17 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I was interested to see that LA mayor Karen Bass has (finally) fired the
    chief of the LA Fire Department.

    https://www.castanet.net/news/World/534600/LA-mayor-dismisses-fire-chief-over-response-to-most-destructive-wildfire-in-city-history-last-month

    There would appear to be ample justification for this firing. I'm
    disappointed to see that Bass is still the mayor of LA though. I thought
    there was a move to force her out too?

    Given the cuts in the firefighting budget, was there a plan to
    pre-deploy men and equipment during fire season that the mayor's office overrode?

    I've also read that a great deal of firefighting vehicles and apparatus
    were out of repair. Was that the fault of the fire chief or the mayor's office?

    My guess is this is buck passing.

    Makers of firefighting equipment have been raising prices significantly
    over the last some years. So a lot of agencies are unable to replace
    equipment that is aging out. Which means more of it is out for attempts
    to repair it.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 23:57:18 2025
    On Feb 22, 2025 at 3:24:58 PM PST, "Dimensional Traveler" <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 2/22/2025 11:17 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I was interested to see that LA mayor Karen Bass has (finally) fired the >>> chief of the LA Fire Department.


    https://www.castanet.net/news/World/534600/LA-mayor-dismisses-fire-chief-over-response-to-most-destructive-wildfire-in-city-history-last-month

    There would appear to be ample justification for this firing. I'm
    disappointed to see that Bass is still the mayor of LA though. I thought >>> there was a move to force her out too?

    Given the cuts in the firefighting budget, was there a plan to
    pre-deploy men and equipment during fire season that the mayor's office
    overrode?

    I've also read that a great deal of firefighting vehicles and apparatus
    were out of repair. Was that the fault of the fire chief or the mayor's
    office?

    My guess is this is buck passing.

    Makers of firefighting equipment have been raising prices significantly
    over the last some years. So a lot of agencies are unable to replace equipment that is aging out. Which means more of it is out for attempts
    to repair it.

    Except in L.A., they've been cutting the budget of the fire department for years so they can pay for 'progressive' nonsense, like lawyers for illegal aliens, and billions for 'homeless outreach'.

    Los Angeles only has half the fire department it needs. The National Fire Institute, which sets standards for municipal fire departments nationwide,
    sets the standard for fire staffing for a municipality at a minimum of 1.8 firefighters for every 1000 residents. Los Angeles has 0.9. Exactly half of what a city this size needs. We're also 62 fire stations short of what is recommended. Not two or five or ten. Sixty-fucking-two. But never fear! We've met and *exceeded* our quota of DEI executives, so that's reassuring.

    In the 1960s the population of L.A. was about 2 million. Now we have close to
    5 million and we have less fire stations and less firefighters now than we did in the 60s. I mean, who can look at that fact and not say that's frakking
    nuts? Decades of L.A. government officials stealing from the fire budget whenever they wanted to fund some hippy-dippy 'progressive' nonsense that they didn't have the money for.

    The city spends more money on the vagrants (who start the fires) than it does on the folks who fight the fires. Vagrants account for 60% of the fire responses in Los Angeles per year (14,000 fires) and the city throws more
    money at them than they do for the fire department.

    As are so many of California's problems, the fire situation in Los Angeles is entirely one of the government's making.

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