• tRUMP MINI ME VANCE SCANDAL: Texts/Emails Reveal Closet Liebrul JD Vanc

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    Used the term "LOVE" in signing off, were they love
    letters?

    JD Vance, an Unlikely Friendship and Why It Ended
    His political views differed from a transgender
    classmate’s, but they forged a bond that lasted a
    decade — until Mr. Vance seemed to pivot, politically
    and personally.



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    By Stephanie Saul
    Stephanie Saul, who covers education, reviewed about
    90 emails and text messages spanning between 2014 and
    2017.
    July 27, 2024, 5:01 a.m. ET
    When his book, “Hillbilly Elegy,” was published in
    2016, JD Vance sent an email apologizing to a close
    friend from his Yale Law School days. The friend
    identified as transgender, but Mr. Vance referred to
    them in the book as a lesbian.
    “Hey Sofes, here’s an excerpt from my book,” Mr.
    Vance wrote to his friend, Sofia Nelson. “I send this
    to you not just to brag, but because I’m sure if you
    read it you’ll notice reference to ‘an extremely
    progressive lesbian.’”
    “I recognize now that this may not accurately reflect
    how you think of yourself, and for that I am really
    sorry,” he wrote. “I hope you’re not offended, but if
    you are, I’m sorry! Love you, JD.”
    Nelson wrote back the same day, calling Mr. Vance
    “buddy” and thanking him for “being sweet,” adding,
    “If you had written gender queer radical pragmatist,
    nobody would know what you mean.” Nelson asked for an
    autographed copy, then signed off with, “Love,
    Sofia.”
    That exchange is from a series of emails between two
    friends, part of a close-knit group of 16 students
    who remained together throughout their first law
    school semester in the fall of 2010. As now-Senator
    Vance seeks the vice presidency, Nelson has shared
    about 90 of their emails and text messages, primarily
    from 2014 through 2017, with The New York Times.
    Image
    A portrait of Sofia Nelson in a suit and tie outside
    a courthouse.
    Sofia Nelson, a former law school classmate of Mr.
    Vance, is now a public defender in
    Detroit.Credit...Sylvia Jarrus for The New York Times
    The emails, in which Mr. Vance criticizes former
    President Donald J. Trump both for “racism” and as a
    “morally reprehensible human being,” add to an
    already-existing body of evidence showing Mr. Vance’s
    ideological pivot from Never Trumper to Mr. Trump’s
    running mate.
    And they reflect a young man quite different from the
    hard-right culture warrior of today who back then
    brought homemade baked goods to his friend after
    Nelson underwent transition-related surgery. The
    visit cemented their bond.
    “The content of the conversation was,” Nelson said in
    an interview with The New York Times, “‘I don’t
    understand what you’re doing, but I support you.’ And
    that meant a lot to me at the time, because I think
    that was the foundation of our friendship.”
    Image
    A screenshot of an email from Mr. Vance to Nelson in
    2016.
    The political views of the two were sharply
    divergent, but their friendship would continue for a
    decade, strengthened by their shared Midwestern roots
    — Nelson grew up in Western Michigan and Mr. Vance in
    Ohio — and cynical views of Ivy League elitism.
    Nelson, a Tufts University graduate, had received a
    prestigious Truman scholarship for law school,
    indicating a desire to work in public service.
    At times, they exchanged messages infrequently. At
    other times, they would have energetic back-and-
    forths several times a week. And their talks
    reflected the history playing out around them —
    protests against police violence in Ferguson, Mo.,
    the massacre of Black churchgoers in Charleston,
    S.C., and the 2016 campaign between Mr. Trump and
    Hillary Clinton. Their conversations were notable not
    only for Mr. Vance’s harsh comments about Mr. Trump,
    but also for the tenderness and thoughtful tone in
    the messages.
    They provide what may be a textbook example of
    respectful discourse, revealing a cultural
    willingness by Mr. Vance to accept Nelson’s gender
    identity, which sharply differs from the anti-
    L.G.B.T.Q. sentiments evident at the Republican
    National Convention.
    Nelson, now a public defender in Detroit, said they
    visited each other’s homes, talked on Zoom during the
    pandemic and exchanged long emails discussing a range
    of subjects, from the minutiae of daily life to
    weighty discussions of current events and public
    policy issues. Nelson attended Mr. Vance’s wedding in
    Kentucky in 2014. They pondered doing a podcast
    together — he suggested they call it “The Lunatic
    Fringe.”
    But Nelson and Mr. Vance had a falling out in 2021,
    when Mr. Vance said publicly he supported an Arkansas
    ban on gender-affirming care for minors, leading to a
    bitter exchange that deeply hurt Nelson.
    “He achieved great success and became very rich by
    being a Never Trumper who explained the white working
    class to the liberal elite,” Nelson said, referring
    to Mr. Vance’s successful 2016 book. “Now he’s
    amassing even more power by expressing the exact
    opposite.”
    Now, Nelson, who opposes the Trump/Vance ticket,
    hopes the emails inform the opinion of voters about
    Mr. Vance.
    Responding to a request for comment on the emails,
    Luke Schroeder, a spokesman for the Vance campaign,
    issued a statement:
    “It’s unfortunate this individual chose to leak
    decade-old private conversations between friends to
    The New York Times. Senator Vance values his
    friendships with individuals across the political
    spectrum. He has been open about the fact that some
    of his views from a decade ago began to change after
    becoming a dad and starting a family, and he has
    thoroughly explained why he changed his mind on
    President Trump. Despite their disagreements, Senator
    Vance cares for Sofia and wishes Sofia the very
    best.”
    Charting His Own Path
    In 2014, they were both near the beginning of their
    careers, about a year out of law school.
    Mr. Vance shared that he was planning to buy a house
    in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Usha, whom he
    also met at Yale.
    The Vances could afford a house in Washington’s
    highly priced market partly because Mr. Vance was
    starting a job in Big Law. “Blech,” he wrote then,
    indicating his distaste for a career he had already
    decided against. He would remain with the white-shoe
    firm Sidley Austin for less than two years.
    In the same exchange, Mr. Vance also wrote about his
    wife’s interviews with justices of the Supreme Court,
    where she was seeking a clerkship. Mr. Vance worried
    that her seeming politically neutral, or lack of
    “ideological chops,” could harm her chances.
    “Scalia and Kagan moved very quickly,” Mr. Vance
    wrote, referring to Antonin Scalia, the conservative
    justice who died in 2016, and Elena Kagan, one of the
    court’s current three liberal justices, “but she was
    just not going to work out for Scalia.”
    Nelson wrote back, “His homophobic screeds are hard
    to believe in 2014.”
    “He’s become a very shrill old man,” Mr. Vance
    responded. “I used to really like him, and I used to
    believe all of his stuff about judicial minimalism
    was sincere. Now I see it as a political charade.”
    Ms. Vance would end up clerking for Chief Justice
    John G. Roberts Jr.
    Image
    A Gothis spire at Yale University.
    Mr. Vance and Nelson were part of a close-knit group
    of 16 students who remained together throughout their
    first semester at Yale Law School in the fall of
    2010.Credit...Christopher Capozziello for The New
    York Times
    On Cops, Body Cams and Pride Day
    Like their conversations, Mr. Vance could be
    surprising.
    In October 2014, in the wake of the killing of
    Michael Brown, an 18-year-old Black man, by a white
    police officer in Ferguson, Nelson raised the idea of
    requiring that police officers wear body cameras.
    “I hate the police,” Mr. Vance said in his response.
    “Given the number of negative experiences I’ve had in
    the past few years, I can’t imagine what a Black guy
    goes through.”
    Image
    A screenshot of an email from Mr. Vance to Nelson.
    Around the same time, the written conversation turned
    to a much-discussed essay by Ta-Nehisi Coates in The
    Atlantic making the case for reparations. Mr. Vance
    offered that whatever problems he had with
    reparations, generally, “I have at least been
    convinced of the virtue of compensating modern
    victims who’ve suffered redlining or denial of
    federal benefits.”
    By next summer, after a shooting at the Emanuel
    A.M.E. Church in Charleston, the two were again
    discussing race. Mr. Vance said he didn’t understand
    why people “can’t see the connection between this
    person murdering innocent people and the fact that
    the Confederate flag — by democratic will — still
    flies” at the South Carolina Statehouse. “I’m not
    sure how to wrap my head around it.” (The flag was
    removed from the Statehouse in Columbia a month
    later.)
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    “I think you’re my only liberal friend with whom I
    talk openly about politics on a deeper sense,” Mr.
    Vance wrote.
    In June 2015, Mr. Vance also revealed to Nelson that
    Jeb Bush’s presidential campaign had offered him a
    job as senior domestic policy adviser, then reneged,
    after discovering a negative piece he had written
    about George W. Bush’s economic policies. (The New
    York Times reached out to several former advisers to
    Jeb Bush’s campaign, who could not confirm that there
    was a job offer.)
    Mr. Vance wrote to Nelson that he was looking forward
    to getting together for a longer conversation with
    “some bourbon and puppy dogs by my side.”
    In 2015, Mr. Vance moved to California for a new
    career in the tech industry, one he launched, he
    suggested, after the Bush episode.
    “It’s possible to view this entire extended foray
    into the California tech scene as a wound-licking
    exercise after my brief encounter with American
    politics,” he wrote.
    Living in the Bay Area at the time, on June 28 that
    year, he wished Nelson “Happy Pride,” adding, “I’m
    thinking of braving the crowds in S.F. just to people
    watch.”
    After attending the Pride Day parade, he wrote, “It
    felt more like a frat party than I expected. But
    still nice to see a lot of happy people.”
    Opposing Trump
    By 2015, Mr. Trump’s rise had begun. Mr. Vance’s Yale
    friends, including Nelson, were not surprised that
    Mr. Vance, whom they regarded as a moderate
    Republican, was opposed to Mr. Trump’s candidacy.
    Mr. Vance was rooting against Mr. Trump but also said
    he could not bring himself to vote for Mrs. Clinton.
    He vowed to cast his ballot for a third-party
    candidate.
    In December 2015, in emails analyzing the campaign,
    he wrote that Mr. Trump’s appeal was misunderstood.
    “If you look at the polling, the issue where Trump
    gets the most support is on the economy,” Mr. Vance
    wrote. “If the response of the media, and the elites
    of both right and left, are to just say ‘look at
    those dumb racists supporting Trump,’ then they’re
    never going to learn the most important lesson of
    Trump’s candidacy.”
    And he said that he himself saw something in Mr.
    Trump.
    Mr. Vance wrote that he found it exhilarating that
    the media and Wall Street seemed powerless against
    Mr. Trump, also suggesting that he partly understood
    the Trump appeal.
    “If he would just tone down the racism, I would
    literally be his biggest supporter,” he wrote.
    Image
    A screenshot of an email from JD Vance to Sofia
    Nelson on Dec. 9, 2015.
    The next day, on Dec. 9, 2015, the two would again
    talk race, Mr. Trump and Muslims.
    Nelson wrote that a Muslim friend had said that women
    wearing hijabs no longer felt safe doing simple
    things like going to the grocery store.
    Mr. Vance responded, referring to Mr. Trump as a
    demagogue.
    “I’m obviously outraged at Trump’s rhetoric, and I
    worry most of all about how welcome Muslim citizens
    feel in their own country,” he wrote. “And there have
    always been demagogues willing to exploit the people
    who believe crazy shit. What seems different to me is
    that the Republican Party offers nothing that’s as
    attractive as the demagogue.”
    Image
    Mr. Vance, wearing a gray blazer, autographs a book
    next to a man.
    Mr. Vance autographing a copy of his book “Hillbilly
    Elegy” after a campaign event in Ohio in
    2022.Credit...Brian Kaiser for The New York Times
    By 2016, he was touring the country promoting
    “Hillbilly Elegy,” part memoir and part commentary on
    the alienation of the white working class, many of
    whom supported Mr. Trump’s election. “To Sofia, a
    good friend, a fellow Midwesterner, and, despite
    being a Godless liberal, a great person,” he would
    inscribe in Nelson’s copy.
    In September 2016, he shared a piece on implicit bias
    that he wrote for The New York Times following Mrs.
    Clinton’s ill-fated “basket of deplorables” comment,
    thanking Nelson in the email for helping inform his
    thinking in developing the essay.
    “The more white people feel like voting for Trump,
    the more Black people will suffer. I really believe
    that,” he wrote.
    Not only had Mr. Vance been critical of Mr. Trump for
    racism, but he also said, “I’ve been very critical of
    other Repubs for the L.G.B.T.Q. issue, especially
    Rick Perry,” referring to the former Texas governor.
    In another email a month later, he called Mr. Trump a
    “disaster,” using a vulgarity, and added, “He’s just
    a bad man.”
    Image
    An inscription from Mr. Vance to Nelson in their copy
    of “Hillbilly Elegy”: “To Sofia, a good friend, a
    fellow Midwesterner, and, despite being a Godless
    liberal, a great person.”
    And then, to the amazement of many Americans, Mr.
    Trump won.
    Nelson sent Mr. Vance a copy of an article in The
    Onion, a satirical news site, that suggested liberals
    were clueless about the country they lived in.
    “This is funny. Thank you!” Mr. Vance wrote back.
    “My zany prediction: in 20 years H.R.C. and Paul Ryan
    will be part of the same party,” he continued, using
    an abbreviation for Mrs. Clinton. “And you and I will
    be on the other side.”
    In January 2017, he expressed more sober concern.
    “I’m deeply pessimistic right now,” he wrote. “I’ve
    been thinking a lot about the civil rights movement
    and legislation in the 1960s, and I wonder if our
    society is healthy enough to accomplish anything of
    that scale (or even close to it).”
    A Political Career Beckons, and a Friendship Unravels
    By 2017, Mr. Vance was planning a move back to Ohio.
    According to Nelson, Mitch McConnell, the Senate
    Republican leader, had reached out and encouraged him
    to run as a Republican for Senator Sherrod Brown’s
    seat.
    He kicked the tires of a race as an anti-Trump
    candidate against a formidable Democratic incumbent
    and took a pass.
    It would be four years later that he would run, this
    time seeking Mr. Trump’s support, and win the open
    Ohio seat that would put him in position to be Mr.
    Trump’s running mate.
    Nelson communicated with the Vances over Zoom early
    in the pandemic, after their move back to Ohio. Their
    email correspondence had died down, and Nelson had
    noted a shift in the tone of Mr. Vance’s social media
    postings. In April 2021, one particularly stood out.
    On Twitter, Mr. Vance had come out in support of an
    Arkansas measure banning gender-transitioning care
    for minors. The bill was ultimately adopted over a
    veto by Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who had declared it an
    overreach, before it was overturned by a court
    ruling.
    Image
    A screenshot of text messages between Nelson, in
    blue, and Mr. Vance in April 2021.
    “Do you support the AR legislation criminalizing
    providing medical care to trans kids?” Nelson texted
    him in April 2021.
    “I do. I recognize this is awkward but I’ll always be
    honest with you,” Mr. Vance responded. “I think the
    trans thing with kids is so unstudied that it amounts
    to a form of experimentation.”
    Nelson wrote back that his position “deeply saddens
    me.”
    “I know I can’t change your mind but the political
    voice you have become seems so far from the man I got
    to know in law school,” wrote Nelson, later
    explaining their position “as a trans person who
    accessed needed health care so I could live a full
    life.”
    “I have a 1:30,” Mr. Vance wrote. “I will always love
    you, but I really do think the left’s cultural
    progressivism is making it harder for normal people
    to live their lives.”
    It had been a friendship of the special type forged
    in young adulthood, before the accumulation of life
    responsibilities and fateful decisions already made.
    Now, it was over.

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