• Re: Gene Hackman, wife and dog found dead in their home in New Mexico

    From Robin Miller@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Feb 27 13:11:54 2025
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.



    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do so
    by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious-police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had not
    been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of a
    home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

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  • From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to Robin Miller on Thu Feb 27 10:41:02 2025
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:

    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>> that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do so
    by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had not
    been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of a
    home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed herself
    (and a dog)?!...

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  • From Robin Miller@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Thu Feb 27 13:53:37 2025
    Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:

    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his
    legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do
    so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious-
    police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had
    not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications
    of a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the
    cops do believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require
    a thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found
    the front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies
    observed a healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy
    dog near the deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from
    the deceased female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being
    moved, the pill bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the
    female, the male decedent being located in a separate room of the
    residence, and no obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed herself
    (and a dog)?!...




    Or that it was a family suicide--or worse case, that he was ready to go
    and took his wife and dog with him.

    --Robin

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Robin Miller on Thu Feb 27 19:01:00 2025
    Robin Miller <robin.miller@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>>that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.

    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do so
    by his doctor.

    I wonder if the doctor was wrong about medical necessity given his long
    life.

    But here are some startling new developments:

    "Suspicious Enough": Gene Hackman & Wife's Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious-police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman's death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner's
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on Hackman's property reported the decomposed bodies
    in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had not been
    seen for a few weeks, sources say.

    There are no indications of a home invasion or anything like that,
    sources tell me, but the cops do believe more is going on than first
    assumed. . . .

    "Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a >thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the >deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak," the document adds.

    From the search warrant application:

    https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/hackman-affidavit.pdf

    Deputy Thomas advised the female decedent showed obvious signs of
    death, body decomposition, bloating in her face and mumification
    in both hands and feet.

    I don't see how she could mummify her own hands.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Thu Feb 27 16:52:58 2025
    On 2/27/2025 1:41 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:

    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his
    legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do
    so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious-
    police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had
    not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications
    of a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the
    cops do believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require
    a thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found
    the front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies
    observed a healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy
    dog near the deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from
    the deceased female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being
    moved, the pill bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the
    female, the male decedent being located in a separate room of the
    residence, and no obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed herself
    (and a dog)?!...

    Why, then, would pills be scattered? And, being scattered, might we
    suppose that their taste appealed to only the one dog?



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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Fri Feb 28 10:48:27 2025
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>>> that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do
    so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had
    not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of
    a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a
    thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the
    deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Feb 28 11:11:00 2025
    On 2025-02-27 21:52:58 +0000, moviePig said:
    On 2/27/2025 1:41 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>>>> that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>>> final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>>> It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.

    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do
    so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar
    winner’s home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one
    of their dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had
    not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of
    a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a
    thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the
    deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Why, then, would pills be scattered? And, being scattered, might we
    suppose that their taste appealed to only the one dog?

    Dogs do have different tastes and personalities. One might well eat the
    pills while another wouldn't.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 27 18:24:50 2025
    On 2/27/2025 6:14 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>>>>> that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>>>> final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>>>> It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do
    so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; >>>> Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s >>>> home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had
    not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of >>>> a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do >>>> believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the >>>> two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a >>>> thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the >>>> front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the >>>> deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door
    was standing open

    I can't fit all those circumstances into any reasonable scenario.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Feb 27 16:14:47 2025
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>>>> that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>>> final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>>> It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do
    so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s >>> home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had
    not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of
    a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a
    thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the
    deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door
    was standing open



    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Thu Feb 27 17:35:27 2025
    On 2/27/2025 7:15 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 2/27/25 4:32 AM, shawn wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 06:52:38 -0500, Robin Miller
    <robin.miller@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/actor-gene-hackman-wife-betsy-092903724.html >>>

    Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, were found >>> dead in their home in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office >>> told CNN. He was 95.

    Damn, I know the guy wasn't performing any more but still.

    Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to be >>> foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Denise
    Womack-Avila told CNN Thursday morning.

    Deputies responded to a welfare check request at the home around 1:45
    p.m. Wednesday and found Hackman, Arakawa and a dog deceased,
    Womack-Avila said. An investigation is ongoing, police said.

    I wonder if they suffered from carbon monoxide poisoning? That would
    explain all three dying from what otherwise sounds like a non-violent
    death.

    That's my thought too - the only way the dog also dies under "non-foul
    play" circumstances is something like CO poisoning.

    But he made it to 95. (His wife only made it to her 60s.)

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    Two other dogs in the house were just fine.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 28 16:38:47 2025
    On 2025-02-27 23:14:47 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>>>>> that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>>>> final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>>>> It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.

    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do
    so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; >>>> Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s >>>> home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their
    dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had
    not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of >>>> a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do >>>> believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the >>>> two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a >>>> thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the >>>> front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a
    healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the >>>> deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill
    bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male
    decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door
    was standing open

    It says the front door was open, but the outside dog might have been in
    a fenced in area out the back. :-)

    But I did misread about the second live dog inside the house.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Feb 28 16:40:15 2025
    On 2025-02-28 03:38:47 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2025-02-27 23:14:47 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>>>>> final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>>>>> It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.

    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; >>>>> Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe >>>>> police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s >>>>> home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of >>>>> a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do >>>>> believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the >>>>> two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a >>>>> thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the >>>>> front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the >>>>> deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door
    was standing open

    It says the front door was open, but the outside dog might have been in
    a fenced in area out the back. :-)

    Or, maybe the front door was open, but internal doors were shut.


    But I did misread about the second live dog inside the house.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Robin Miller@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Feb 27 23:43:44 2025
    Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-02-28 03:38:47 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2025-02-27 23:14:47 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for
    his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years
    after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any
    scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he >>>>>>> had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.

    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By
    Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious-
    police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe
    police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar
    winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the
    decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no
    indications of
    a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the
    cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death >>>>>> of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to
    require a
    thorough search and investigation because the reporting party
    found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog
    near the
    deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased >>>>>> female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no >>>>>> obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the
    door
    was standing open

    It says the front door was open, but the outside dog might have been
    in a fenced in area out the back.  :-)

    Or, maybe the front door was open, but internal doors were shut.


    But I did misread about the second live dog inside the house.




    Now this article quotes the maintenance worker who called 911 and told
    the operator that the house was locked up:

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/entertainment/gene-hackman-betsy-arakawa-harrowing-183926752.html

    As the dispatcher paused to call for the paramedics, the caller began crying while repeatedly saying, “Damn.”

    However, the man didn’t seem to have a personal connection to Hackman, 95, and Arakawa, 64, as he could not tell the dispatcher any personal details about them.

    “[It’s] a female and a male probably. I don’t know, sir. Just send somebody up here really quick,” he said.

    The caller said he had “no idea” if the two were “awake” or “breathing” because he “was not inside the house” with them.

    “[The house] is closed. It’s locked. I can’t go in,” he said. “But I see that she is lying down on the floor from the window.”

    He insisted they were not “awake” or “alert” and saw no signs of movement.

    “No, dude, they’re not moving!” he said while growing increasingly concerned. “Just send somebody out here really quick!”


    As usual when something has just happened, the facts are unclear. But it
    does sound as though they may have been dead for a while.

    --Robin

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Thu Feb 27 17:49:27 2025
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Feb 28 08:42:52 2025
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2025 6:14 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>>>>> final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>>>>> It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; >>>>> Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe >>>>> police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s >>>>> home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of >>>>> a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do >>>>> believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the >>>>> two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a >>>>> thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the >>>>> front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the >>>>> deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased
    female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no
    obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door
    was standing open

    I can't fit all those circumstances into any reasonable scenario.




    Nope

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 28 12:38:04 2025
    On 2/28/2025 10:42 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2025 6:14 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his >>>>>>> final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts. >>>>>>> It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; >>>>>> Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe >>>>>> police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s >>>>>> home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of >>>>>> a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do >>>>>> believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the >>>>>> two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a >>>>>> thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the >>>>>> front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the >>>>>> deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased >>>>>> female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no >>>>>> obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door >>> was standing open

    I can't fit all those circumstances into any reasonable scenario.


    Maybe PETA killed the dog. Or Instacart.

    Maybe someone read the pill bottle and misapplied 'expiration date'...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Robin Miller on Sat Mar 1 11:57:59 2025
    On 2025-02-27 11:52:38 +0000, Robin Miller said:

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/actor-gene-hackman-wife-betsy-092903724.html


    Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, were
    found dead in their home in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office told CNN. He was 95.

    Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to
    be foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Denise Womack-Avila told CNN Thursday morning.

    Deputies responded to a welfare check request at the home around 1:45
    p.m. Wednesday and found Hackman, Arakawa and a dog deceased,
    Womack-Avila said. An investigation is ongoing, police said.

    It was not carbon monoxide poisoning and Gene Hackman's pacemaker
    recorded its last event on February 17, so that is likely the day he
    died. The final toxicology and autopsy reports "could be a month or
    three months or longer". <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-wife-test-negative-carbon-monoxide-pacemaker-stopped-1236323847/>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Feb 28 15:40:32 2025
    On 2/28/25 2:57 PM, Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-02-27 11:52:38 +0000, Robin Miller said:

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/actor-gene-hackman-wife-betsy-092903724.html


    Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, were
    found dead in their home in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s
    Office told CNN. He was 95.

    Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to
    be foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Denise
    Womack-Avila told CNN Thursday morning.

    Deputies responded to a welfare check request at the home around 1:45
    p.m. Wednesday and found Hackman, Arakawa and a dog deceased, Womack-
    Avila said. An investigation is ongoing, police said.

    It was not carbon monoxide poisoning and Gene Hackman's pacemaker
    recorded its last event on February 17, so that is likely the day he
    died. The final toxicology and autopsy reports "could be a month or
    three months or longer". <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-wife-test-negative- carbon-monoxide-pacemaker-stopped-1236323847/>

    Love the specificity!

    "We should get the report back next month... Or maybe 3 months from now!!"

    [roll]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Fri Feb 28 18:57:35 2025
    On 2/28/2025 6:40 PM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
    On 2/28/25 2:57 PM, Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-02-27 11:52:38 +0000, Robin Miller said:

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/actor-gene-hackman-wife-betsy-092903724.html >>>

    Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, were
    found dead in their home in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s
    Office told CNN. He was 95.

    Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to
    be foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Denise
    Womack-Avila told CNN Thursday morning.

    Deputies responded to a welfare check request at the home around 1:45
    p.m. Wednesday and found Hackman, Arakawa and a dog deceased, Womack-
    Avila said. An investigation is ongoing, police said.

    It was not carbon monoxide poisoning and Gene Hackman's pacemaker
    recorded its last event on February 17, so that is likely the day he
    died. The final toxicology and autopsy reports "could be a month or
    three months or longer".
    <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-wife-test-negative-
    carbon-monoxide-pacemaker-stopped-1236323847/>

    Love the specificity!

    "We should get the report back next month... Or maybe 3 months from now!!"

    [roll]

    Depends on whether it's released on Amazon or Netflix.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Feb 28 17:42:50 2025
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 10:42 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2025 6:14 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops; >>>>>>> Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe >>>>>>> police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>>>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of >>>>>>> a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do >>>>>>> believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the >>>>>>> two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a >>>>>>> thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the >>>>>>> front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the >>>>>>> deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased >>>>>>> female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no >>>>>>> obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed
    herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door >>>> was standing open

    I can't fit all those circumstances into any reasonable scenario.


    Maybe PETA killed the dog. Or Instacart.

    Maybe someone read the pill bottle and misapplied 'expiration date'...


    Both PETA and Instacart are known for going to peoples homes and killing
    their dogs



    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Ian J. Ball on Sat Mar 1 01:49:59 2025
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/28/25 2:57 PM, Your Name wrote:

    . . .

    It was not carbon monoxide poisoning and Gene Hackman's pacemaker
    recorded its last event on February 17, so that is likely the day he
    died. The final toxicology and autopsy reports "could be a month or
    three months or longer". >>https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-wife-test-negative-carbon-monoxide-pacemaker-stopped-1236323847/

    Love the specificity!

    "We should get the report back next month... Or maybe 3 months from now!!"

    [roll]

    I don't understand how on tv they get tox screens back after the next commercial break. We have the technology!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 28 20:52:14 2025
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 17:42:50 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 10:42 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2025 6:14 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>>>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe >>>>>>>> police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>>>>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of
    a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a
    thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the
    deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased >>>>>>>> female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no >>>>>>>> obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed >>>>>>> herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door >>>>> was standing open

    I can't fit all those circumstances into any reasonable scenario.


    Maybe PETA killed the dog. Or Instacart.

    Maybe someone read the pill bottle and misapplied 'expiration date'...


    Both PETA and Instacart are known for going to peoples homes and killing >their dogs

    Sadly the latest I heard made it sound like one of the dogs was in a
    cage and may have died from dehydration after Hackman and his wife
    died.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Robin Miller@21:1/5 to shawn on Fri Feb 28 21:05:13 2025
    shawn wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 17:42:50 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 10:42 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2025 6:14 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>>>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe >>>>>>>>> police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>>>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed
    bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>>>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of
    a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a
    thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>>>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the
    deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased >>>>>>>>> female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>>>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>>>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no >>>>>>>>> obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed >>>>>>>> herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some >>>>>>> themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive >>>>>>> (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door
    was standing open

    I can't fit all those circumstances into any reasonable scenario.


    Maybe PETA killed the dog. Or Instacart.

    Maybe someone read the pill bottle and misapplied 'expiration date'...


    Both PETA and Instacart are known for going to peoples homes and killing
    their dogs

    Sadly the latest I heard made it sound like one of the dogs was in a
    cage and may have died from dehydration after Hackman and his wife
    died.



    That's horrible.

    --Robin

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  • From Robin Miller@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Feb 28 21:12:18 2025
    Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 11:52:38 +0000, Robin Miller said:

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/actor-gene-hackman-wife-betsy-092903724.html


    Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, were
    found dead in their home in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s
    Office told CNN. He was 95.

    Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to
    be foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Denise
    Womack-Avila told CNN Thursday morning.

    Deputies responded to a welfare check request at the home around 1:45
    p.m. Wednesday and found Hackman, Arakawa and a dog deceased,
    Womack-Avila said. An investigation is ongoing, police said.

    It was not carbon monoxide poisoning and Gene Hackman's pacemaker
    recorded its last event on February 17, so that is likely the day he
    died. The final toxicology and autopsy reports "could be a month or
    three months or longer". <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-wife-test-negative-carbon-monoxide-pacemaker-stopped-1236323847/>





    The articles I've read suggest that they both died where they dropped,
    in different rooms. That would have to be poisoning of some kind. If it
    had been a joint suicide they would have been together. So what could
    have killed them like that, and is there any way it could have been
    accidental?

    --Robin

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 28 22:09:16 2025
    On 2/28/2025 7:42 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 10:42 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2025 6:14 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 18:41:02 +0000, Ian J. Ball said:
    On 2/27/25 10:11 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    [Gene Hackman]

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy
    that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had >>>>>>>>> done throughout his long career.

    More like he wasn't working due to circumstances.


    Deadline says he retired for health reasons after being advised to do >>>>>>>> so by his doctor.

    But here are some startling new developments:


    “Suspicious Enough”: Gene Hackman & Wife’s Deaths Probed By Cops;
    Scattered Pills Found, No Gas Leak

    https://deadline.com/2025/02/gene-hackman-death-suspicious- police-1236303855/

    Gene Hackman‘s death has raised enough suspicion among the Santa Fe >>>>>>>> police that they have obtained a search warrant for the Oscar winner’s
    home after the nonagenarian, his wife Betsy Arakawa and one of their >>>>>>>> dogs were found dead last night.

    Two men who worked on the Hackman’s property reported the decomposed >>>>>>>> bodies in the home on Wednesday. The 30-year long married couple had >>>>>>>> not been seen for a few weeks, sources say. There are no indications of
    a home invasion or anything like that, sources tell me, but the cops do
    believe more in going on than first assumed.

    “Affiant believes that the circumstances surrounding the death of the
    two deceased individuals to be suspicious enough in nature to require a
    thorough search and investigation because the reporting party found the
    front door of the residence unsecured and opened, deputies observed a >>>>>>>> healthy dog running loose on the property, another healthy dog near the
    deceased female, a deceased dog laying 10-15 feet from the deceased >>>>>>>> female in a closet of the bathroom, the heater being moved, the pill >>>>>>>> bottle being opened and pills scattered next to the female, the male >>>>>>>> decedent being located in a separate room of the residence, and no >>>>>>>> obvious signs of a gas leak,” the document adds.


    --Robin

    So, one read of that is that he died (naturally), and she killed >>>>>>> herself (and a dog)?!...

    Perhaps she simply dropped the pill bottle and the dogs ate some
    themselves. That would explain why the dog outside is still alive
    (assuming al the dorrs were shut).

    The article said the people that found them called it in because the door >>>>> was standing open

    I can't fit all those circumstances into any reasonable scenario.


    Maybe PETA killed the dog. Or Instacart.

    Maybe someone read the pill bottle and misapplied 'expiration date'...


    Both PETA and Instacart are known for going to peoples homes and killing their dogs

    I know. I got your joke and tried to make one, too. (The new
    information about the dogs makes that a bit harder, though.)

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Robin Miller on Fri Feb 28 22:13:33 2025
    On 2/28/2025 9:12 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-02-27 11:52:38 +0000, Robin Miller said:

    https://news.yahoo.com/news/actor-gene-hackman-wife-betsy-092903724.html >>>

    Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, were
    found dead in their home in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s
    Office told CNN. He was 95.

    Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to
    be foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Denise
    Womack-Avila told CNN Thursday morning.

    Deputies responded to a welfare check request at the home around 1:45
    p.m. Wednesday and found Hackman, Arakawa and a dog deceased, Womack-
    Avila said. An investigation is ongoing, police said.

    It was not carbon monoxide poisoning and Gene Hackman's pacemaker
    recorded its last event on February 17, so that is likely the day he
    died. The final toxicology and autopsy reports "could be a month or
    three months or longer".
    <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-wife-test-negative-
    carbon-monoxide-pacemaker-stopped-1236323847/>




    The articles I've read suggest that they both died where they dropped,
    in different rooms. That would have to be poisoning of some kind. If it
    had been a joint suicide they would have been together. So what could
    have killed them like that, and is there any way it could have been accidental?

    You'd have to account for the spilled pills. At a stretch, maybe they
    got the dosage wrong and were trying to reexamine the label...

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan Smithee on Sun Mar 2 10:22:20 2025
    On 2025-03-01 12:23:49 +0000, Alan Smithee said:
    On 2025-02-28 11:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    You'd have to account for the spilled pills. At a stretch, maybe they
    got the dosage wrong and were trying to reexamine the label...

    A police report said their front door was both unlocked and open.
    Very strange...

    But reportedly the person who phoned the police said the doors were
    locked and he couldn't get in to check on the people he saw on the
    floor through a window.

    The problem is that the news media always rushes to be "first" rather
    than actually being accurate, so is often full of misinformation. :-\

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  • From Alan Smithee@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sat Mar 1 08:23:49 2025
    On 2025-02-28 11:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    You'd have to account for the spilled pills. At a stretch, maybe they
    got the dosage wrong and were trying to reexamine the label...


    A police report said their front door was both unlocked and open.
    Very strange...

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Sun Mar 2 22:09:06 2025
    ahk@chinet.com wrote:
    Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:

    I do wish he hadn't totally retired, but it's likely best for his legacy >>that he did.

    He didn't retire. I recall an interview he gave several years after his
    final movie in which he complained he wasn't being offered any scripts.
    It's not like he was unwilling to play supporting roles, which he had
    done throughout his long career.

    What about him saying he was having trouble memorizing scripts and
    retiring do you not understand?

    [Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]

    --
    Don't jump!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to robin.miller@invalid.invalid on Sun Mar 2 22:05:56 2025
    robin.miller@invalid.invalid wrote:

    Their cause of death has not been confirmed but it is not believed to be
    foul play, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Denise
    Womack-Avila told CNN Thursday morning.

    Barring some sort of suicide pact, it sounds like carbon monoxide
    poisoning from a bad space heater.

    --
    Not a joke! Don't jump!

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 8 12:29:30 2025
    Gene Hackman Died of Heart Disease and Alzheimer'sa Week After
    Betsy Arakawa; Wife's Cause of Death Determined to Be Hantavirus
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Gene Hackman likely died about a week after his wife, Betsy Arakawa,
    died due to hantavirus, a medical examiner announced Friday.

    Hackman died of cardiovascular disease, with Alzheimer's disease as
    a significant contributing factor, said Heather Jarrell, the chief
    medical examiner for the New Mexico Office of the Medical
    Investigator.

    Arakawa likely died about a week earlier, on Feb. 11, of hantavirus,
    a potentially fatal virus transmitted by mice. Both deaths fall
    under natural causes, which can include heart disease, stroke,
    cancer, respiratory failure, infections and age-related
    complications.

    Hackman, 95, and Arakawa, 65, were found dead on Feb. 26.
    Authorities said at the time they did not suspect foul play.

    At a news conference on Friday, Santa Fe Sheriff Adan Mendoza said
    that surveillance cameras showed that Arakawa did errands on
    Feb. 11, visiting Sprouts market and a CVS pharmacy. She also
    corresponded with a massage therapist by email that day.

    Her car entered the gated subdivision where the couple lived around
    5:15 p.m. No activity or communications were found after that date.

    Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's disease, as well as severe heart
    disease and a history of heart attacks, Jarrell said. He tested
    negative for hantavirus.

    Erin Phipps, the state public health veterinarian, said at the press
    conference that hantavirus infections are very rare. She said that
    out of 136 infections in the state over the last 50 years, 42% were
    fatal. The virus is typically transmitted through rodent excrement.

    Phipps said there were signs of rodent entry in some of the
    buildings on the property, though the risk in the main house was
    "low."

    Hackman's pacemaker registered cardiac activity on Feb. 17. On
    Feb. 18, the pacemaker picked up an abnormal rhythm, which was the
    last recording, suggesting that he died that day.

    Authorities announced last week that the autopsy found that both
    bodies tested negative for carbon monoxide. The New Mexico Gas
    Company also thoroughly checked the home and found no significant
    leaks.

    According to a search warrant affidavit, Arakawa was found dead on
    the bathroom floor. Pills were scattered on the countertop. At the
    press conference, Jarrell said the pills are thyroid medication that
    was being taken as prescribed.

    Hackman was found in a mud room, off the kitchen. It appeared that
    both had fallen to the floor. A dead dog was also found in a closet
    near Arakawa's body, while two other healthy dogs were roaming the
    property. A necropsy on the dog is still pending.

    A maintenance worker called the authorities after finding the door
    left ajar, and deputies went inside and discovered the bodies.

    The deaths were considered "suspicious enough" to warrant further
    investigation. Detectives recovered two cell phones, a monthly
    planner, and some medications during a search of the property.

    Hackman starred in such films as "The French Connection," "The
    Conversation," and "The Royal Tenenbaums." He had lived in Santa Fe
    since the late 1980s, and served on the board of the Georgia
    O'Keeffe Museum. He won Academy Awards for his roles in "The French
    Connection" and "Unforgiven," and retired from acting about 20 years
    ago.

    Arakawa was a former classical pianist who married Hackman in 1991.
    She owned Pandora's, a home furnishings store in Santa Fe, with a
    friend.



    <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-cause-of-death-died-week-after-wife-1236331489/>

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  • From Robin Miller@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Mar 7 20:20:50 2025
    Your Name wrote:


       Gene Hackman Died of Heart Disease and Alzheimer's a Week After
       Betsy Arakawa; Wife's Cause of Death Determined to Be Hantavirus
       ----------------------------------------------------------------
       Gene Hackman likely died about a week after his wife, Betsy Arakawa,
       died due to hantavirus, a medical examiner announced Friday.

       Hackman died of cardiovascular disease, with Alzheimer's disease as
       a significant contributing factor, said Heather Jarrell, the chief
       medical examiner for the New Mexico Office of the Medical
       Investigator.

       Arakawa likely died about a week earlier, on Feb. 11, of hantavirus,
       a potentially fatal virus transmitted by mice. Both deaths fall
       under natural causes, which can include heart disease, stroke,
       cancer, respiratory failure, infections and age-related
       complications.

       Hackman, 95, and Arakawa, 65, were found dead on Feb. 26.
       Authorities said at the time they did not suspect foul play.

       At a news conference on Friday, Santa Fe Sheriff Adan Mendoza said
       that surveillance cameras showed that Arakawa did errands on
       Feb. 11, visiting Sprouts market and a CVS pharmacy. She also
       corresponded with a massage therapist by email that day.

       Her car entered the gated subdivision where the couple lived around
       5:15 p.m. No activity or communications were found after that date.

       Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's disease, as well as severe heart
       disease and a history of heart attacks, Jarrell said. He tested
       negative for hantavirus.

       Erin Phipps, the state public health veterinarian, said at the press
       conference that hantavirus infections are very rare. She said that
       out of 136 infections in the state over the last 50 years, 42% were
       fatal. The virus is typically transmitted through rodent excrement.

       Phipps said there were signs of rodent entry in some of the
       buildings on the property, though the risk in the main house was
       "low."

       Hackman's pacemaker registered cardiac activity on Feb. 17. On
       Feb. 18, the pacemaker picked up an abnormal rhythm, which was the
       last recording, suggesting that he died that day.

       Authorities announced last week that the autopsy found that both
       bodies tested negative for carbon monoxide. The New Mexico Gas
       Company also thoroughly checked the home and found no significant
       leaks.

       According to a search warrant affidavit, Arakawa was found dead on
       the bathroom floor. Pills were scattered on the countertop. At the
       press conference, Jarrell said the pills are thyroid medication that
       was being taken as prescribed.

       Hackman was found in a mud room, off the kitchen. It appeared that
       both had fallen to the floor. A dead dog was also found in a closet
       near Arakawa's body, while two other healthy dogs were roaming the
       property. A necropsy on the dog is still pending.

       A maintenance worker called the authorities after finding the door
       left ajar, and deputies went inside and discovered the bodies.

       The deaths were considered "suspicious enough" to warrant further
       investigation. Detectives recovered two cell phones, a monthly
       planner, and some medications during a search of the property.

       Hackman starred in such films as "The French Connection," "The
       Conversation," and "The Royal Tenenbaums." He had lived in Santa Fe
       since the late 1980s, and served on the board of the Georgia
       O'Keeffe Museum. He won Academy Awards for his roles in "The French
       Connection" and "Unforgiven," and retired from acting about 20 years
       ago.

       Arakawa was a former classical pianist who married Hackman in 1991.
       She owned Pandora's, a home furnishings store in Santa Fe, with a
       friend.


    <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-cause-of-death-died-week-after-wife-1236331489/>







    So his wife had been dead on the floor for a week but Hackman, due to
    his "advanced Alzheimer's disease," didn't realize what had
    happened--and so went about his life, such as it was?

    And she didn't seek medical treatment for her condition?

    How horrible.

    --Robin

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Robin Miller on Sat Mar 8 16:00:08 2025
    On 2025-03-08 01:20:50 +0000, Robin Miller said:
    Your Name wrote:


    Gene Hackman Died of Heart Disease and Alzheimer'sa Week After
    Betsy Arakawa; Wife's Cause of Death Determined to Be Hantavirus
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Gene Hackman likely died about a week after his wife, Betsy Arakawa,
    died due to hantavirus, a medical examiner announced Friday.

    Hackman died of cardiovascular disease, with Alzheimer's disease as
    a significant contributing factor, said Heather Jarrell, the chief
    medical examiner for the New Mexico Office of the Medical
    Investigator.

    Arakawa likely died about a week earlier, on Feb. 11, of hantavirus,
    a potentially fatal virus transmitted by mice. Both deaths fall
    under natural causes, which can include heart disease, stroke,
    cancer, respiratory failure, infections and age-related
    complications.

    Hackman, 95, and Arakawa, 65, were found dead on Feb. 26.
    Authorities said at the time they did not suspect foul play.

    At a news conference on Friday, Santa Fe Sheriff Adan Mendoza said
    that surveillance cameras showed that Arakawa did errands on
    Feb. 11, visiting Sprouts market and a CVS pharmacy. She also
    corresponded with a massage therapist by email that day.

    Her car entered the gated subdivision where the couple lived around
    5:15 p.m. No activity or communications were found after that date.

    Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's disease, as well as severe heart
    disease and a history of heart attacks, Jarrell said. He tested
    negative for hantavirus.

    Erin Phipps, the state public health veterinarian, said at the press
    conference that hantavirus infections are very rare. She said that
    out of 136 infections in the state over the last 50 years, 42% were
    fatal. The virus is typically transmitted through rodent excrement.

    Phipps said there were signs of rodent entry in some of the
    buildings on the property, though the risk in the main house was
    "low."

    Hackman's pacemaker registered cardiac activity on Feb. 17. On
    Feb. 18, the pacemaker picked up an abnormal rhythm, which was the
    last recording, suggesting that he died that day.

    Authorities announced last week that the autopsy found that both
    bodies tested negative for carbon monoxide. The New Mexico Gas
    Company also thoroughly checked the home and found no significant
    leaks.

    According to a search warrant affidavit, Arakawa was found dead on
    the bathroom floor. Pills were scattered on the countertop. At the
    press conference, Jarrell said the pills are thyroid medication that
    was being taken as prescribed.

    Hackman was found in a mud room, off the kitchen. It appeared that
    both had fallen to the floor. A dead dog was also found in a closet
    near Arakawa's body, while two other healthy dogs were roaming the
    property. A necropsy on the dog is still pending.

    A maintenance worker called the authorities after finding the door
    left ajar, and deputies went inside and discovered the bodies.

    The deaths were considered "suspicious enough" to warrant further
    investigation. Detectives recovered two cell phones, a monthly
    planner, and some medications during a search of the property.

    Hackman starred in such films as "The French Connection," "The
    Conversation," and "The Royal Tenenbaums." He had lived in Santa Fe
    since the late 1980s, and served on the board of the Georgia
    O'Keeffe Museum. He won Academy Awards for his roles in "The French
    Connection" and "Unforgiven," and retired from acting about 20 years
    ago.

    Arakawa was a former classical pianist who married Hackman in 1991.
    She owned Pandora's, a home furnishings store in Santa Fe, with a
    friend.


    <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-cause-of-death-died-week-after-wife-1236331489/>


    So his wife had been dead on the floor for a week but Hackman, due to
    his "advanced Alzheimer's disease," didn't realize what had
    happened--and so went about his life, such as it was?

    And she didn't seek medical treatment for her condition?

    How horrible.

    --Robin

    She may not have thought it was just a cold / flu. It says above that
    she visited a pharmacy, so maybe she was getting some sort of cold /
    flu medicine.

    "Early symptoms, such as fever, dry cough, body aches,
    headaches, diarrhea and abdominal pain, are similar
    to many other viral illnesses."

    Once it became more serious, she may not have been able to call for
    help, and Gene may not have understood what was happening.

    "Symptoms include coughing, shortness of breath and
    fluid in the lungs. The fatal, rapidly progressive
    pulmonary illness can come on very quickly, in hours.
    That, itself, can become fatal on a very short
    timeline,"

    :-(

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Robin Miller on Sat Mar 8 11:59:36 2025
    On 3/7/2025 8:20 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
    Your Name wrote:


        Gene Hackman Died of Heart Disease and Alzheimer's a Week After
        Betsy Arakawa; Wife's Cause of Death Determined to Be Hantavirus
        ----------------------------------------------------------------
        Gene Hackman likely died about a week after his wife, Betsy Arakawa, >>     died due to hantavirus, a medical examiner announced Friday.

        Hackman died of cardiovascular disease, with Alzheimer's disease as >>     a significant contributing factor, said Heather Jarrell, the chief
        medical examiner for the New Mexico Office of the Medical
        Investigator.

        Arakawa likely died about a week earlier, on Feb. 11, of hantavirus, >>     a potentially fatal virus transmitted by mice. Both deaths fall
        under natural causes, which can include heart disease, stroke,
        cancer, respiratory failure, infections and age-related
        complications.

        Hackman, 95, and Arakawa, 65, were found dead on Feb. 26.
        Authorities said at the time they did not suspect foul play.

        At a news conference on Friday, Santa Fe Sheriff Adan Mendoza said
        that surveillance cameras showed that Arakawa did errands on
        Feb. 11, visiting Sprouts market and a CVS pharmacy. She also
        corresponded with a massage therapist by email that day.

        Her car entered the gated subdivision where the couple lived around >>     5:15 p.m. No activity or communications were found after that date. >>
        Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's disease, as well as severe heart
        disease and a history of heart attacks, Jarrell said. He tested
        negative for hantavirus.

        Erin Phipps, the state public health veterinarian, said at the press >>     conference that hantavirus infections are very rare. She said that
        out of 136 infections in the state over the last 50 years, 42% were >>     fatal. The virus is typically transmitted through rodent excrement. >>
        Phipps said there were signs of rodent entry in some of the
        buildings on the property, though the risk in the main house was
        "low."

        Hackman's pacemaker registered cardiac activity on Feb. 17. On
        Feb. 18, the pacemaker picked up an abnormal rhythm, which was the
        last recording, suggesting that he died that day.

        Authorities announced last week that the autopsy found that both
        bodies tested negative for carbon monoxide. The New Mexico Gas
        Company also thoroughly checked the home and found no significant
        leaks.

        According to a search warrant affidavit, Arakawa was found dead on
        the bathroom floor. Pills were scattered on the countertop. At the
        press conference, Jarrell said the pills are thyroid medication that >>     was being taken as prescribed.

        Hackman was found in a mud room, off the kitchen. It appeared that
        both had fallen to the floor. A dead dog was also found in a closet >>     near Arakawa's body, while two other healthy dogs were roaming the
        property. A necropsy on the dog is still pending.

        A maintenance worker called the authorities after finding the door
        left ajar, and deputies went inside and discovered the bodies.

        The deaths were considered "suspicious enough" to warrant further
        investigation. Detectives recovered two cell phones, a monthly
        planner, and some medications during a search of the property.

        Hackman starred in such films as "The French Connection," "The
        Conversation," and "The Royal Tenenbaums." He had lived in Santa Fe >>     since the late 1980s, and served on the board of the Georgia
        O'Keeffe Museum. He won Academy Awards for his roles in "The French >>     Connection" and "Unforgiven," and retired from acting about 20 years >>     ago.

        Arakawa was a former classical pianist who married Hackman in 1991. >>     She owned Pandora's, a home furnishings store in Santa Fe, with a
        friend.


    <https://variety.com/2025/film/news/gene-hackman-cause-of-death-died-
    week-after-wife-1236331489/>






    So his wife had been dead on the floor for a week but Hackman, due to
    his "advanced Alzheimer's disease," didn't realize what had happened--
    and so went about his life, such as it was?

    And she didn't seek medical treatment for her condition?

    How horrible.

    Not sure we can infer a degree of suffering for either of them.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Mon Mar 10 16:36:13 2025
    In article <vqfvgq$3pg1k$1@dont-email.me>, YourName@YourISP.com wrote:

    Gene Hackman Died of Heart Disease and Alzheimer'sa Week After
    Betsy Arakawa; Wife's Cause of Death Determined to Be Hantavirus

    What a shitty way to die. :-(

    --
    Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'd
    have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to nobody@nowhere.com on Mon Mar 10 16:39:01 2025
    In article <vqht1o$7s9i$1@dont-email.me>, nobody@nowhere.com wrote:
    On 3/7/2025 8:20 PM, Robin Miller wrote:

    So his wife had been dead on the floor for a week but Hackman, due to
    his "advanced Alzheimer's disease," didn't realize what had happened--
    and so went about his life, such as it was?

    And she didn't seek medical treatment for her condition?

    How horrible.

    Not sure we can infer a degree of suffering for either of them.

    TROLL-O-METER

    5* 6* *7
    4* *8
    3* *9
    2* *10
    1* | *stuporous
    0* -*- *catatonic
    * |\ *comatose
    * \ *clinical death
    * \ *biological death
    * _\/ *demonic apparition
    * * *damned for all eternity

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 1 02:30:21 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:52:58 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Why, then, would pills be scattered? And, being scattered, might we
    suppose that their taste appealed to only the one dog?

    Was the other dog in a kennel? Or otherwise unable to join the others?

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