A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
with the headline:
  QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 17:01:46 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER >>>>> HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same
line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?
On 3/2/2025 10:59 AM, suzeeq wrote:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER >>>>>> HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same
line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*. >>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?
Yes, because by accepting our aid, he cedes any claim to human dignity.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 07:59:32 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*. >>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelenskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?
Of course not. Trump planned that attack as an attempt to both
appease Putin and to possibly see Zelensky give in. Though anyone that
had been paying attention would have known that such an attempt to
bully Zelensky would fail.
Hell, we know it was planned given the press was there. Not the
typical American press, but yet the Russian press made it in. It may
have been planned to give Trump a reason to refuse to give the Ukraine
any further aid. Though given the response from Europe the plan to
make Ukraine give in to Russia's demands may have failed.
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>fourth, with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>>>TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both >>>>contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>>going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>>relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's >>giving you a ton of money.
Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?
suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*. >>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?
Trump despises Zelenskyy. Events that were precursor to Trump's first impeachment, Trump demanded that Ukraine trump up evidence versus Biden
that Biden was somehow complicit with the corrupt Ukraine oligarchs,
instead of trying to twist a corrupt Ukrainian administration into prosecuting corrupt oligarchs as a condition of receiving American aid.
This was while Biden was Obama's vice president
At the time, Trump was supporting the Russian line on Ukraine and needed something to use against Biden in the 2020 election. Trump didn't care
that it would have been almost entirely fictional.
I was noticing that certain American newspapers are using the Russian transliteration "-sky" instead of the Ukrainian "-skyy", a bit ironic
given centuries of Ukrainian objection to having had their language suppressed as part of incorporation into Catherine the Great's empire
and as a Soviet republic.
Hell, I saw this in C-SPAN's graphics as well, a news organization that
is supposed to be entirely neutral.
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video
is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just
in case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
On 3/2/2025 9:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 17:01:46 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as >>> the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.
I expect an explanation for a stark departure from wide consensus.
Got *that*?
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
On 2025-03-02 12:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/2/2025 9:41 AM, NoBody wrote:In your progressive mind, only one reaction is correct and therefore acceptable. That is abundantly clear. You don't seem to understand the concept that in a democracy, a variety of views may exist and be freely expressed EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 17:01:46 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth, >>>> with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.
I expect an explanation for a stark departure from wide consensus.
Got *that*?
"Inside every leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out."
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the
person who's giving you a ton of money.
I have seen Zelenskyy speak on many occasions and he ALWAYS expresses
his thanks for the aid various countries have given him. You've got a
funny idea of rude if you think sticking up for himself was rudeness.
On 2025-03-01 10:55 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile,
places it fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same
line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway,
just in case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.
On 3/2/2025 3:37 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-02 12:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/2/2025 9:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
In your progressive mind, only one reaction is correct and thereforeA quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth, >>>>> with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.
I expect an explanation for a stark departure from wide consensus.
Got *that*?
acceptable. That is abundantly clear. You don't seem to understand the
concept that in a democracy, a variety of views may exist and be freely
expressed EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.
"Inside every leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out."
My original post offers no comment on the various views expressed,
noting only that Fox alone seems to downplay the story's significance.
I was noticing that certain American newspapers are using the Russian transliteration "-sky" instead of the Ukrainian "-skyy"
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?
On Mar 2, 2025 at 10:17:23 AM PST, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
I was noticing that certain American newspapers are using the Russian >>transliteration "-sky" instead of the Ukrainian "-skyy"
Since both are just Latin-alphabet phonetic approximations, how is either >distinctly Russian or Ukrainian or one more authoritative than the other?
This is reminiscent of the debate back in the 80s over how to spell Muammar >Qaddafi's name in the English language. There were about a dozen variations >going around: Khaddafi, Quadafi, etc. Since his actual name was Arabic, all >the English-language versions were just phonetic approximations of it and none >of them were the "correct" version.
On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*. >>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*. >>>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's >>>> giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.
No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.
On 3/2/2025 3:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:Let's hope so.
On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in >>>> and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>>>>> relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*. >>>>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's >>>>> giving you a ton of money.
him to be thankful for that?
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech" >>> in Germany last week.
No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.
On 2025-03-01 10:55 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile,
places it fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same
line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway,
just in case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.
And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.
On Mar 2, 2025 at 3:39:20 PM PST, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2025 3:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:Let's hope so.
On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in >>>>> and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect >>>>> him to be thankful for that?
wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both >>>>>>>> contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise... >>>>>>>>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>>>>>> relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>>>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's >>>>>> giving you a ton of money.
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to >>>> be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech" >>>> in Germany last week.
No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by >>> Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.
+1
On 3/2/25 12:25 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 10:55 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile,
places it fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same
line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway,
just in case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.
And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.
Brett Baier has always been a straight shooter.
That said, I wonder how much longer he'll be at Fox - people who aren't
Trump bootlickers haven't done well at Fox lately, which is a real shame.
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.
No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 16:28:34 -0800, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/2/25 12:25 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 10:55 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile,
places it fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER >>>>>> HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same
line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended >>>>> video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, >>>>> just in case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.
And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet >>> you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.
Brett Baier has always been a straight shooter.
That said, I wonder how much longer he'll be at Fox - people who aren't
Trump bootlickers haven't done well at Fox lately, which is a real shame.
That's typically been my way of choosing who to watch. Whether on Fox
News, CNN or MSNBC I look for those that try to stick to the facts
without filling up time with loads of opinions. It's why I only
watched MORNING JOE back when things got serious like with 2008
housing crisis. Otherwise it's maybe watch for ten to fifteen minutes
to get the sense of what is happening before they start repeating
themselves over and over again.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 23:51:18 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Mar 2, 2025 at 3:39:20 PM PST, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2025 3:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:Let's hope so.
On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in >>>>>> and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect >>>>>> him to be thankful for that?
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise... >>>>>>>>>>
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both >>>>>>>>> contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>>>>>>> relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to >>>>> be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech" >>>>> in Germany last week.
No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have >>>> learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by >>>> Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the >>>> 2028 presidential primary season.
+1
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then.
Other than Bernie Sanders I can't think of anyone that is outside the
two parties that could make a run for the Presidency.
On Mar 2, 2025 at 7:52:29 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 23:51:18 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Mar 2, 2025 at 3:39:20 PM PST, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2025 3:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:Let's hope so.
On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in >>>>>>> and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect >>>>>>> him to be thankful for that?
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise... >>>>>>>>>>>
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both >>>>>>>>>> contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>>>>>>>> relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs. >>>>>>>>>
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to >>>>>> be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.
No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have >>>>> learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180 >>>>> degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed >>>>> successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the >>>>> 2028 presidential primary season.
+1
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then.
She is far too polarizing. The Democrats would be insane to nominate her.
Other than Bernie Sanders I can't think of anyone that is outside the
two parties that could make a run for the Presidency.
But... but... what about Governor HairGel?
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 07:59:32 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped inA quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting >>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>> fourth, with the headline:It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take >>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it? >>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED >>>>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.) >>>>>>
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line. >>>>>
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett >>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at >>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing >>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is >>>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in >>>>> case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*. >>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above) >>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?
Of course not. Trump planned that attack
Of course not. Trump planned that attack
Mar 2, 2025 at 7:52:29 PM PST, shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican >>candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then.
She is far too polarizing. The Democrats would be insane to nominate her.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 23:51:18 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:
On Mar 2, 2025 at 3:39:20 PM PST, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
On 3/2/2025 3:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:Let's hope so.
On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in >>>>>> and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect >>>>>> him to be thankful for that?
On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it >>>>>>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise... >>>>>>>>>>
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both >>>>>>>>> contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>>>>>>> relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to >>>>> be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech" >>>>> in Germany last week.
No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have >>>> learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by >>>> Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the >>>> 2028 presidential primary season.
+1
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
Other than Bernie Sanders I can't think of anyone that is outside the
two parties that could make a run for the Presidency.
I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
Thanks for making Rhino's point.
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
On Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican >>candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10
seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate
happens to be>"
Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:16:54 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote: >>Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican >>>candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he >>>will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a >>>run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10 >>seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate
happens to be>"
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've
been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or
Trump. I expect she would either continue to stay in the House or run
for the Senate when the position next becomes available. She may end
up running for President eventually but that likely won't happen for
at least a decade.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:16:54 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10
seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate
happens to be>"
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've
been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or
Trump. I expect she would either continue to stay in the House or run
for the Senate when the position next becomes available. She may end
up running for President eventually but that likely won't happen for
at least a decade.
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:16:54 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote: >>>Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican >>>>candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely >>>>to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the >>>>only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is >>>>Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he >>>>will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a >>>>run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step >>>>up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10 >>>seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate
happens to be>"
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've
been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or >>Trump. I expect she would either continue to stay in the House or run
for the Senate when the position next becomes available. She may end
up running for President eventually but that likely won't happen for
at least a decade.
A decade? You pick up way too much baggage in the House. Why do you
think Obama ran for president in 2008 when he had just been elected
Senator?
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC. . . .
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:57:51 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:16:54 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote: >>>>Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican >>>>>candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely >>>>>to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity >>>>>to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the >>>>>only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is >>>>>Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he >>>>>will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a >>>>>run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step >>>>>up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the >>>>right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to >>>>be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10 >>>>seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate >>>>happens to be>"
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've >>>been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or >>>Trump. I expect she would either continue to stay in the House or run
for the Senate when the position next becomes available. She may end
up running for President eventually but that likely won't happen for
at least a decade.
A decade? You pick up way too much baggage in the House. Why do you
think Obama ran for president in 2008 when he had just been elected >>Senator?
I don't know as it seemed to work for Biden.
Though he did go through
a VP run. The best option seems to be some time as a Governor, but I
don't see AOC making that jump.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:16:54 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10
seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate
happens to be>"
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've
been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or
Trump.
On Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10
seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate
happens to be>"
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 01:16:54 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:52:29 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely >>>> to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a >>>> run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.
I heard an analyst earlier today saying that Sanders wasn't running
for President in 2028 (he knows he's too old to do so) but for the
right to anoint his chosen candidate which the commentator expected to
be AOC.
Can you imagine the attack ads that would be run against her
containing nothing but 25 seconds of her film clips followed by 5-10
seconds of "Do you want this? Vote for <whoever the GOP candidate
happens to be>"
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've
been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or
Trump.
Oh, come on. She’s not even better than Harris or Carter (in his current >condition).
On Sun, 02 Mar 2025 16:06:10 -0500, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
wrote:
Zelensky has gone through far worse than what he's gone through withI watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a >>>relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with >>>-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
Thanks for making Rhino's point.
Trump recently.
Trump would have to go MUCH further to outdo Justin Trudeau who led a >standing ovation (in Zelensky's presence) in the Canadian Parliament
for an 85+ year old veteran of a WW2 Ukrainian SS division. (Yup - I
cannot make this up!)
Which doesn't prove that Trudeau's a Nazi - just that he's a complete
idiot woefully uninformed about things he thinks he knows about but
clearly doesn't.
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've
been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or
Trump. I expect she would either continue to stay in the House or run
for the Senate when the position next becomes available. She may end
up running for President eventually but that likely won't happen for
at least a decade.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 05:03:59 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
I don't see AOC running for President in 2028, but based on what I've
been seeing of her in the past year she's better than either Biden or
Trump. I expect she would either continue to stay in the House or run
for the Senate when the position next becomes available. She may end
up running for President eventually but that likely won't happen for
at least a decade.
The hell of it is that last November if it was a straight run off
between Trump or Biden/Harris at least in terms of international
policy that didn't amount to the United States saying "whatever you
want the answer is yes" to various foreign despots then Trump really
WAS the best candidate.
That said, it says something totally dysfunctional about the United
States that the nomination systems are set up in such a way either of
them can rise to the top. I understand Biden was a past Veep but a
system where he can stay in power well past his "best by" date is dysfunctional and I say that knowing even Churchill left office in
much the same way in his last term. (Not that I'm suggesting any
portion of Biden's career comes close to matching WSC 1940-45)
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