The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a >$50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to >assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be >tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now >Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives >called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva. >The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just >as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove >them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they >conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before >them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and >they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here >before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern >California, then so are white people.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a
$50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to
assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be
tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now >> Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives
called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva.
The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just
as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove
them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they
conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before >> them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and >> they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here
before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
California, then so are white people.
What the Tongva did was acceptible as at their self celebratory
ceremonies, they too gave a land acknowledgement.
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva. The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they
conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern California, then so are white people.
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in
a $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to >assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to
be tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now >Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a
$50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to
assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be
tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now >>> Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives
called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva.
The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just
as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove
them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they
conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before >>> them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here >>> before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
California, then so are white people.
What the Tongva did was acceptible as at their self celebratory
ceremonies, they too gave a land acknowledgement.
LOL!
"And now, before we present the award for best rain dance in a comedy or musical, we take a moment to remember the Hokan, who we slaughtered so that we could live on this beautiful land."
2025-03-04 06:31:08 +0000, BTR1701 said:
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a
white lady in a $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land >>>>acknowledgements" to assuage their white guilt over having built a >>>>civilization on what used to be tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that
is now Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association
of natives called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of
years before the Tongva. The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, >>>>and took this land from them. Just as hundreds of years later, the >>>>European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove them off, and took this >>>>land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, >>>>and they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who
were here before them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the >>>>first, and they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, >>>>who were here before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern >>>>California, then so are white people.
What the Tongva did was acceptible as at their self celebratory >>>ceremonies, they too gave a land acknowledgement.
LOL!
"And now, before we present the award for best rain dance in a comedy or >>musical, we take a moment to remember the Hokan, who we slaughtered so that >>we could live on this beautiful land."
You can get riled up over some of the most trivial things.
Why not start your own Hokan Appreciation Society if you feel this
strongly about the issue.
On 2025-03-04 06:31:08 +0000, BTR1701 said:
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady >>>> in a
$50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to >>>> assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used >>>> to be
tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now
Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of >>>> natives
called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the >>>> Tongva.
The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. >>>> Just
as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, >>>> drove
them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and >>>> they
conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before
them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here >>>> before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern >>>> California, then so are white people.
What the Tongva did was acceptible as at their self celebratory
ceremonies, they too gave a land acknowledgement.
LOL!
"And now, before we present the award for best rain dance in a comedy or
musical, we take a moment to remember the Hokan, who we slaughtered so that >> we could live on this beautiful land."
You can get riled up over some of the most trivial things.
On 2025-03-04 06:31:08 +0000, BTR1701 said:
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a
$50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to >>>> assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be
tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now
Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives
called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva.
The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just
as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove
them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they
conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before >>>> them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here >>>> before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern >>>> California, then so are white people.
What the Tongva did was acceptible as at their self celebratory
ceremonies, they too gave a land acknowledgement.
LOL!
"And now, before we present the award for best rain dance in a comedy or
musical, we take a moment to remember the Hokan, who we slaughtered so that >> we could live on this beautiful land."
You can get riled up over some of the most trivial things.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in >> a
$50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to
assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to >> be
tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now >> Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of
natives
called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the
Tongva.
The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them.
Just
as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva,
drove
them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and >> they
conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before >> them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here >> before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
California, then so are white people.
Well, you’ve missed an important step in the process. If the Hokan were first, then they were raised on site from the mud by their magic juju gods, unrelated to mankind. Presumably this is true of the Tongva as well. Just different mud and maybe different gods in a different location. That’s what it takes to be indigenous.
The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be tribal territory.
She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva. The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove them off, and took this land from them.
To sum up:
The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they
conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before them.
White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here before them.
So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern California, then so are white people.
Well, you’ve missed an important step in the process. If the Hokan were >first, then they were raised on site from the mud by their magic juju gods, >unrelated to mankind. Presumably this is true of the Tongva as well. Just >different mud and maybe different gods in a different location. That’s what >it takes to be indigenous.
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 03:02:51 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
Well, you’ve missed an important step in the process. If the Hokan were
first, then they were raised on site from the mud by their magic juju gods, >>unrelated to mankind. Presumably this is true of the Tongva as well. Just >>different mud and maybe different gods in a different location. That’s what
it takes to be indigenous.
This is what most native tribes in our area are claiming - any talk of
a land bridge is racist you know?
On Thu, 03 Apr 2025 11:23:06 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 03:02:51 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:
Well, you’ve missed an important step in the process. If the Hokan were
first, then they were raised on site from the mud by their magic juju gods, >>> unrelated to mankind. Presumably this is true of the Tongva as well. Just >>> different mud and maybe different gods in a different location. That’s what
it takes to be indigenous.
This is what most native tribes in our area are claiming - any talk of
a land bridge is racist you know?
If they were made of mud then why don't they dissolve in the rain?
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