• What do Palestinians see on TV?

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 12 16:14:37 2025
    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that
    instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic there,
    as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Wed Mar 12 18:20:12 2025
    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:
    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic there,
    as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Mar 12 22:24:22 2025
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the
    Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that
    instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic there,
    as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in Arabic and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to nobody@nowhere.com on Wed Mar 12 22:12:29 2025
    In article <vqt1at$2r5g3$1@dont-email.me>, nobody@nowhere.com wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the
    Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that
    instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic there,
    as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    That WAS the USAID version of Sesame Street!

    --
    Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'd
    have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 12 22:28:48 2025
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the
    Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that
    instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic there, >>> as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in Arabic and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Mar 12 23:08:21 2025
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

      Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the >>>>   Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that >>>>   instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic
    there,
      as we see in this video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
      Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in
    Arabic
    and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.


    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them - or
    so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling *toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the
    opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect you
    actually approve of that somehow.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 03:54:33 2025
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the >>>> Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that >>>> instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic there, >>>> as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in Arabic
    and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so there wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 07:25:32 2025
    On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:16:22 -0000 (UTC), Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    In article <vqti76$24vi0$6@dont-email.me>, wrote:
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

      Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the >>>>>   Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that >>>>>   instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic
    there,
      as we see in this video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
      Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in
    Arabic and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them - or
    so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling >*toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the
    opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect you >actually approve of that somehow.

    Moviepog is only taking that position because it opposes Trump's.
    Nothing more, nothing less.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 10:58:54 2025
    On 3/12/2025 11:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

      Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the >>>>>   Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that >>>>>   instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic
    there,
      as we see in this video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
      Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in
    Arabic
    and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.


    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them - or
    so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling *toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the
    opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect you actually approve of that somehow.

    By our lights anyway, yes, ANY television would be better. But that
    moral superiority may not suffice to get them to watch.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to NoBody on Thu Mar 13 11:02:26 2025
    On 3/13/2025 7:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:16:22 -0000 (UTC), Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    In article <vqti76$24vi0$6@dont-email.me>, wrote:
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

      Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the >>>>>>   Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that >>>>>>   instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic >>>>>> there,
      as we see in this video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
      Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in
    Arabic and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them - or
    so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling
    *toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the
    opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect you
    actually approve of that somehow.

    Moviepog is only taking that position because it opposes Trump's.
    Nothing more, nothing less.

    Well, *something* less. I don't know that Trump *has* a position...

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 11:06:39 2025
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in the >>>>> Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that >>>>> instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic there,
    as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have in Arabic
    and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so there wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be exactly
    suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do better.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 12:04:49 2025
    On 2025-03-13 10:58 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

      Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in >>>>>> the
      Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out that >>>>>>   instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular topic >>>>>> there,
      as we see in this video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
      Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have
    in Arabic
    and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.


    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them - or
    so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling
    *toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the
    opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect you
    actually approve of that somehow.

    By our lights anyway, yes, ANY television would be better.  But that
    moral superiority may not suffice to get them to watch.



    Given the choice between teaching their kids to count or tell time and
    learning to hate Jews, I'm sure the latter is more attractive to the
    leaders of the Palestinian demographic.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 13:01:27 2025
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered >>>>>> in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out >>>>>> that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular
    topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
        Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'. >>>>   Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have
    in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time, or countless other things that we (or our children) learned from those same
    shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than
    superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in peace
    with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews and
    simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations to hate
    is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it was to
    Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as if
    that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count or tell
    time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago. It's like you're
    looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-programming in place for fear
    that the kids won't learn to hate Jews if the hateful shows aren't aired
    any more.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 17:09:26 2025
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered >>>>>>> in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out >>>>>>> that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>> topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'. >>>>>   Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have >>>>> in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids. >>>
    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so there >>> wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be exactly
    suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time, or countless other things that we (or our children) learned from those same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than
    superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in peace
    with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews and
    simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations to hate
    is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it was to Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as if
    that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count or tell
    time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.

    I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the clocks in the examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so many of the GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 14:13:10 2025
    On 2025-03-13 1:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered >>>>>>>> in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out
    that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>>> topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have >>>>>> in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids. >>>>
    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be exactly >>> suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time, or
    countless other things that we (or our children) learned from those same
    shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than
    superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in peace
    with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews and
    simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations to hate
    is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it was to
    Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as if
    that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count or tell
    time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.

    I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the clocks in the examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so many of the GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.



    In the back of my mind, I've wondered for years if telling time was
    something they still taught in schools but I told myself that they
    *couldn't* stop that because everyone needed to be able to tell time.
    Given the millions of analog clocks and watches still in use, I thought
    they had MUST still be teaching how to read those too. Apparently, I was
    wrong, at least in some jurisdictions....

    Now you've got me wondering if velcro closures mean that kids don't
    learn to tie their own shoes any more.

    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the
    last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst
    people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 18:22:50 2025
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 11:13:10 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 1:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered
    in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out
    that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>>>> topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have
    in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be exactly
    suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time, or
    countless other things that we (or our children) learned from those same >>> shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than
    superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in peace >>> with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews and
    simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations to hate >>> is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it was to >>> Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as if
    that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count or tell >>> time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.

    I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the clocks in the
    examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so many of >> the
    GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.



    In the back of my mind, I've wondered for years if telling time was
    something they still taught in schools but I told myself that they
    *couldn't* stop that because everyone needed to be able to tell time.
    Given the millions of analog clocks and watches still in use, I thought
    they had MUST still be teaching how to read those too. Apparently, I was wrong, at least in some jurisdictions....

    Now you've got me wondering if velcro closures mean that kids don't
    learn to tie their own shoes any more.

    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the
    last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 18:30:55 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 10:58 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>:
    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in >>>>>>>the Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out >>>>>>>that instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>>topic there, as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have
    in Arabic and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them - or
    so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling >>>*toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the >>>opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect you >>>actually approve of that somehow.

    By our lights anyway, yes, ANY television would be better. But that
    moral superiority may not suffice to get them to watch.

    Given the choice between teaching their kids to count or tell time and >learning to hate Jews, I'm sure the latter is more attractive to the
    leaders of the Palestinian demographic.

    If "A" murders a Jew in Haifa, and "B" murders a Jew in Tel Aviv, how
    many fewer Jews are there in the world?

    This episode of Radicalized Arab Sesame Street is sponsored by the
    letter "T" for terrorist.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 15:09:11 2025
    On 2025-03-13 2:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 11:13:10 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 1:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered
    in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out
    that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular
    topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have
    in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be exactly
    suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do better. >>>>>


    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time, or >>>> countless other things that we (or our children) learned from those same >>>> shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than
    superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in peace >>>> with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews and >>>> simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations to hate >>>> is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it was to >>>> Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as if >>>> that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count or tell >>>> time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.

    I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the clocks in the
    examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so many of >>> the
    GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.



    In the back of my mind, I've wondered for years if telling time was
    something they still taught in schools but I told myself that they
    *couldn't* stop that because everyone needed to be able to tell time.
    Given the millions of analog clocks and watches still in use, I thought
    they had MUST still be teaching how to read those too. Apparently, I was
    wrong, at least in some jurisdictions....

    Now you've got me wondering if velcro closures mean that kids don't
    learn to tie their own shoes any more.

    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the
    last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst
    people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.



    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders
    are ready to give the order.

    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Mar 13 19:01:08 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the clocks in the >examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so many of the >GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.

    Will you please stop calling the hour hand the "little hand"? It's
    length challenged!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 19:39:21 2025
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 11:30:55 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 10:58 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>: >>>>>>> On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

    Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered in >>>>>>>> the Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out >>>>>>>> that instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>>> topic there, as we see in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]

    Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'.

    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have >>>>>> in Arabic and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them - or >>>> so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling
    *toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the
    opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect you >>>> actually approve of that somehow.

    By our lights anyway, yes, ANY television would be better. But that
    moral superiority may not suffice to get them to watch.

    Given the choice between teaching their kids to count or tell time and
    learning to hate Jews, I'm sure the latter is more attractive to the
    leaders of the Palestinian demographic.

    If "A" murders a Jew in Haifa, and "B" murders a Jew in Tel Aviv, how
    many fewer Jews are there in the world?

    This episode of Radicalized Arab Sesame Street is sponsored by the
    letter "T" for terrorist.

    If one group of Hamas freedom fighters hijacks a plane that leaves New York to Chicago at 500 MPH and another group hijacks a plane that leaves Chicago to
    New York at 420 MPH, at what point will the crash into each other, sending the Hamas martyrs to paradise and the infidels raining down across the
    countryside?

    BONUS: If the Hamas martyrs are carrying an aerosol bioweapon with them that has an R-naught value of 8, how many infidels on the ground will be infected and die in agony as their insides become their outsides, given a surrounding population of 47,000.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 15:59:53 2025
    On 3/13/2025 12:04 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 10:58 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:08 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-12 10:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

      Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered >>>>>>> in the
      Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns out >>>>>>> that
      instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular
    topic there,
      as we see in this video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
      Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

    Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame Street'. >>>>>
    Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already have
    in Arabic
    and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids. >>>>

    The undubbed versions still appeal to OUR kids when they see them -
    or so I hear.

    Besides, wouldn't pretty much ANY television be better than what they
    get thanks to UNRWA? They're literally getting shows that are telling
    *toddlers* how to hate Jews and urging them to KILL Jews when the
    opportunity presents itself.

    Then again, knowing your infinite ability to rationalize, I expect
    you actually approve of that somehow.

    By our lights anyway, yes, ANY television would be better.  But that
    moral superiority may not suffice to get them to watch.

    Given the choice between teaching their kids to count or tell time and learning to hate Jews, I'm sure the latter is more attractive to the
    leaders of the Palestinian demographic.

    The approach may be one of subtle indoctrination ...e.g., a casual
    display of non-chattel females, or of tolerance in general.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 16:08:48 2025
    On 3/13/2025 1:01 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is offered >>>>>>> in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns >>>>>>> out that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>> topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
        Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame
    Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already
    have in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so
    there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be
    exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do
    better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time, or countless other things that we (or our children) learned from those same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than
    superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in peace
    with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews and
    simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations to hate
    is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it was to Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    Yes, overtly impolitic material won't get aired. But it's Sesame Street.


    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as if
    that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count or tell
    time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago. It's like you're
    looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-programming in place for fear
    that the kids won't learn to hate Jews if the hateful shows aren't aired
    any more.

    I assume that TV production-values have noticeably advanced in 40 years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Mar 13 16:20:07 2025
    On 3/13/2025 3:01 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the clocks in the >> examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so many of the
    GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.

    Will you please stop calling the hour hand the "little hand"? It's
    length challenged!

    Well, I call the other hand "minute"...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 20:55:40 2025
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    /
    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the >>>> last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so >>>> far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst >>>> people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders
    are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?

    These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in Los
    Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher prohibited cell phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but because she didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.

    https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq

    As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the flag of the Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is dumped haphazardly on some furniture in the background.

    Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely "Fuck the Police" posters.

    https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h

    This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months ago, I stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band director hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely struck me that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the walls of the classrooms than there were American flags.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 16:18:49 2025
    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 2:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 11:13:10 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 1:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:
      On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
        On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

        On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
        wrote:
          On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

            Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is >>>>>>>>>>> offered
        in the
            Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It >>>>>>>>>>> turns out
        that
            instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a >>>>>>>>>>> regular
        topic there,
            as we see in this video:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes]
            Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

          Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of >>>>>>>>>> 'Sesame Street'.
          Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we >>>>>>>>> already have
        in Arabic
          and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

        I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to >>>>>>>> Gazan kids.

        Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are
    puppets, so there
        wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.
        I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to >>>>>> be exactly
        suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do
    better.

      Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell
    time, or
      countless other things that we (or our children) learned from
    those same
      shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than >>>>>   superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in >>>>> peace
      with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews and >>>>>   simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations
    to hate
      is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it
    was to
      Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

      You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old,
    as if
      that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count
    or tell
      time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.
      I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the
    clocks in the
      examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so
    many of
    the
      GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.

    In the back of my mind, I've wondered for years if telling time was
    something they still taught in schools but I told myself that they
    *couldn't* stop that because everyone needed to be able to tell time.
    Given the millions of analog clocks and watches still in use, I thought
    they had MUST still be teaching how to read those too. Apparently, I was >>> wrong, at least in some jurisdictions....

    Now you've got me wondering if velcro closures mean that kids don't
    learn to tie their own shoes any more.

    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the
    last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst
    people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.



    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders
    are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 17:03:20 2025
    On 2025-03-13 4:18 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 2:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 11:13:10 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 1:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:
      On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
        On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

        On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
        wrote:
          On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

            Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming >>>>>>>>>>>> is offered
        in the
            Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It >>>>>>>>>>>> turns out
        that
            instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a >>>>>>>>>>>> regular
        topic there,
            as we see in this video:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 >>>>>>>>>>>> minutes]
            Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

          Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of >>>>>>>>>>> 'Sesame Street'.
          Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we >>>>>>>>>> already have
        in Arabic
          and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

        I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to >>>>>>>>> Gazan kids.

        Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are >>>>>>>> puppets, so there
        wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.
        I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to >>>>>>> be exactly
        suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do >>>>>>> better.

      Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell
    time, or
      countless other things that we (or our children) learned from
    those same
      shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more than >>>>>>   superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live
    in peace
      with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews >>>>>> and
      simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations >>>>>> to hate
      is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it >>>>>> was to
      Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

      You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, >>>>>> as if
      that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count >>>>>> or tell
      time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.
      I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the
    clocks in the
      examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because so >>>>> many of
    the
      GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.

    In the back of my mind, I've wondered for years if telling time was
    something they still taught in schools but I told myself that they
    *couldn't* stop that because everyone needed to be able to tell time.
    Given the millions of analog clocks and watches still in use, I thought >>>> they had MUST still be teaching how to read those too. Apparently, I
    was
    wrong, at least in some jurisdictions....

    Now you've got me wondering if velcro closures mean that kids don't
    learn to tie their own shoes any more.,

    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the >>>> last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so >>>> far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst >>>> people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.



    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders
    are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?


    Unfortunately, I didn't take a photo the last time an elementary school
    teacher entered my bus wearing a keffiyeh. But I suppose you'd have some "innocent explanation" - like "fashion choice" - for that anyway.



    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 17:12:50 2025
    On 3/13/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 4:18 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 2:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 11:13:10 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 1:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:
      On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
        On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

        On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
        wrote:
          On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

            Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming >>>>>>>>>>>>> is offered
        in the
            Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? >>>>>>>>>>>>> It turns out
        that
            instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular
        topic there,
            as we see in this video:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 >>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes]
            Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

          Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Sesame Street'.
          Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we >>>>>>>>>>> already have
        in Arabic
          and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

        I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to >>>>>>>>>> Gazan kids.

        Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are >>>>>>>>> puppets, so there
        wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.
        I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen >>>>>>>> to be exactly
        suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do >>>>>>>> better.

      Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell >>>>>>> time, or
      countless other things that we (or our children) learned from >>>>>>> those same
      shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more >>>>>>> than
      superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live >>>>>>> in peace
      with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the
    Jews and
      simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest
    generations to hate
      is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as >>>>>>> it was to
      Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

      You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are
    old, as if
      that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or
    count or tell
      time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.
      I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the
    clocks in the
      examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because
    so many of
    the
      GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.

    In the back of my mind, I've wondered for years if telling time was
    something they still taught in schools but I told myself that they
    *couldn't* stop that because everyone needed to be able to tell time. >>>>> Given the millions of analog clocks and watches still in use, I
    thought
    they had MUST still be teaching how to read those too. Apparently,
    I was
    wrong, at least in some jurisdictions....

    Now you've got me wondering if velcro closures mean that kids don't
    learn to tie their own shoes any more.,

    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the >>>>> last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been
    discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the
    worst
    people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.



    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their
    leaders are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?


    Unfortunately, I didn't take a photo the last time an elementary school teacher entered my bus wearing a keffiyeh. But I suppose you'd have some "innocent explanation" - like "fashion choice" - for that anyway.

    How reliably was that a statement advocating nihilistic uprising?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 17:16:30 2025
    On 3/13/2025 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    /
    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the >>>>> last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so >>>>> far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst >>>>> people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders >>> are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?

    These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in Los Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher prohibited cell phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but because she didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.

    https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq

    As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the flag of the Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is dumped haphazardly on some furniture in the background.

    Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely "Fuck the Police" posters.

    https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h

    This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months ago, I stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band director hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely struck me that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the walls of the classrooms than there were American flags.

    You think the high school was being indoctrinated by Russians, in
    anticipation of grass-roots revolution?

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 17:22:45 2025
    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    /
    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the >>>>> last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so >>>>> far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst >>>>> people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders >>> are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?

    These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in Los Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher prohibited cell phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but because she didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.

    https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq

    As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the flag of the Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is dumped haphazardly on some furniture in the background.

    Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely "Fuck the Police" posters.

    https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h

    This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months ago, I stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band director hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely struck me that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the walls of the classrooms than there were American flags.


    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:

    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-school-teacher-in-california-admits-communist


    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 13 17:23:59 2025
    On 3/13/2025 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    /
    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the >>>>> last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so >>>>> far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst >>>>> people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders >>> are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?

    These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in Los Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher prohibited cell phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but because she didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.

    https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq

    As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the flag of the Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is dumped haphazardly on some furniture in the background.

    Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely "Fuck the Police" posters.

    https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h

    This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months ago, I stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band director hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely struck me that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the walls of the classrooms than there were American flags.

    Fwiw, Google Images returns ample instances of BLM flags mounted in
    classrooms, but almost none of Palestinian or Soviet flags ...which is
    about what I would've expected.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 17:31:36 2025
    On 2025-03-13 4:08 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 1:01 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is
    offered in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns >>>>>>>> out that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>>> topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video.

      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame
    Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already
    have in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan kids. >>>>
    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so
    there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be
    exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do
    better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time, or
    countless other things that we (or our children) learned from those
    same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more
    than superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live in
    peace with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the Jews
    and simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations
    to hate is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as
    it was to Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    Yes, overtly impolitic material won't get aired. But it's Sesame Street.


    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as if
    that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count or
    tell time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago. It's like
    you're looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-programming in place
    for fear that the kids won't learn to hate Jews if the hateful shows
    aren't aired any more.

    I assume that TV production-values have noticeably advanced in 40 years.


    So you're going to continue this ultra-feeble rationalization for not
    showing older programs on the grounds that Palestinian children would be offended at not seeing the programs in glorious 8K and have to settle
    with the older standards? THAT is the compelling reason not to show
    Sesame Street in Gaza or the West Bank?

    You're beyond ridiculous!

    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 17:28:03 2025
    On 2025-03-13 5:12 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 4:18 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 2:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 11:13:10 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 1:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 10:01:27 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:
      On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
        On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

        On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com>
        wrote:
          On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

            Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is offered
        in the
            Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It turns out
        that
            instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular
        topic there,
            as we see in this video:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes]
            Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> video.

          Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Sesame Street'.
          Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we >>>>>>>>>>>> already have
        in Arabic
          and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars. >>>>>>>>>>>
        I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal >>>>>>>>>>> to Gazan kids.

        Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are >>>>>>>>>> puppets, so there
        wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.
        I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen >>>>>>>>> to be exactly
        suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do >>>>>>>>> better.

      Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell >>>>>>>> time, or
      countless other things that we (or our children) learned from >>>>>>>> those same
      shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street more >>>>>>>> than
      superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to live >>>>>>>> in peace
      with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on the >>>>>>>> Jews and
      simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest
    generations to hate
      is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as >>>>>>>> it was to
      Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

      You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are >>>>>>>> old, as if
      that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or
    count or tell
      time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.
      I recently read that a testing center had to take down all the >>>>>>> clocks in the
      examination rooms and replace them with digital clocks because >>>>>>> so many of
    the
      GenZers can't tell time on a traditional clock anymore.

    In the back of my mind, I've wondered for years if telling time was >>>>>> something they still taught in schools but I told myself that they >>>>>> *couldn't* stop that because everyone needed to be able to tell time. >>>>>> Given the millions of analog clocks and watches still in use, I
    thought
    they had MUST still be teaching how to read those too. Apparently, >>>>>> I was
    wrong, at least in some jurisdictions....

    Now you've got me wondering if velcro closures mean that kids don't >>>>>> learn to tie their own shoes any more.,

    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in >>>>>> the
    last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been
    discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the
    worst
    people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.



    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their
    leaders are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?


    Unfortunately, I didn't take a photo the last time an elementary
    school teacher entered my bus wearing a keffiyeh. But I suppose you'd
    have some "innocent explanation" - like "fashion choice" - for that
    anyway.

    How reliably was that a statement advocating nihilistic uprising?



    See my post about Gabriel Gipe for something closer to what you want. Or BTR1701's post about LA teachers. I'm sure you'll find some way to
    rationalize dismissing these examples anyway; you always do.

    I noticed that you completely ignored the videos about Palestinians
    beating their wives that started this thread, other than changing the
    subject to TV for Palestinian kids. I guess that means you've realized
    it would be a little awkward to actually DEFEND wife-beating although I
    feel sure you could do it.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 17:44:46 2025
    On 3/13/2025 5:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 4:08 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 1:01 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is >>>>>>>>> offered in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns >>>>>>>>> out that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>>>> topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame >>>>>>>> Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already >>>>>>> have in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan
    kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, so
    there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be
    exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do
    better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time,
    or countless other things that we (or our children) learned from
    those same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street
    more than superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to
    live in peace with their neighbours: they blame all their problems on
    the Jews and simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest
    generations to hate is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of
    their ideas as it was to Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    Yes, overtly impolitic material won't get aired. But it's Sesame Street.


    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as
    if that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count
    or tell time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago. It's like
    you're looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-programming in place
    for fear that the kids won't learn to hate Jews if the hateful shows
    aren't aired any more.

    I assume that TV production-values have noticeably advanced in 40 years.


    So you're going to continue this ultra-feeble rationalization for not
    showing older programs on the grounds that Palestinian children would be offended at not seeing the programs in glorious 8K and have to settle
    with the older standards? THAT is the compelling reason not to show
    Sesame Street in Gaza or the West Bank?

    You're beyond ridiculous!

    No, I'm saying (and thanks for asking) there might be worthwhile purpose
    to gussying up the Sesame Street repertoire. But you keep pedaling.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 18:54:16 2025
    On 2025-03-13 5:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 5:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 4:08 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 1:01 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is >>>>>>>>>> offered in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It turns >>>>>>>>>> out that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a regular >>>>>>>>>> topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame >>>>>>>>> Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already >>>>>>>> have in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan >>>>>>> kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets,
    so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be
    exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do
    better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time,
    or countless other things that we (or our children) learned from
    those same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame Street
    more than superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't WANT to
    live in peace with their neighbours: they blame all their problems
    on the Jews and simply want to exterminate them. Teaching the newest
    generations to hate is fundamental to them and the perpetuation of
    their ideas as it was to Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    Yes, overtly impolitic material won't get aired. But it's Sesame Street. >>>

    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as
    if that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count
    or tell time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago. It's
    like you're looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-programming in
    place for fear that the kids won't learn to hate Jews if the hateful
    shows aren't aired any more.

    I assume that TV production-values have noticeably advanced in 40 years. >>>

    So you're going to continue this ultra-feeble rationalization for not
    showing older programs on the grounds that Palestinian children would
    be offended at not seeing the programs in glorious 8K and have to
    settle with the older standards? THAT is the compelling reason not to
    show Sesame Street in Gaza or the West Bank?

    You're beyond ridiculous!

    No, I'm saying (and thanks for asking) there might be worthwhile purpose
    to gussying up the Sesame Street repertoire.  But you keep pedaling.



    What compelling reason to "gussy up" those shows could there possibly be
    other than refilling the coffers of whatever Democratic operatives get
    most of the money from any of these initiatives?

    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Mar 13 22:35:46 2025
    On 3/13/2025 6:54 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 5:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 5:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 4:08 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 1:01 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is >>>>>>>>>>> offered in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It >>>>>>>>>>> turns out that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a >>>>>>>>>>> regular topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame >>>>>>>>>> Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we already >>>>>>>>> have in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to Gazan >>>>>>>> kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, >>>>>>> so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be
    exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could do >>>>>> better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time,
    or countless other things that we (or our children) learned from
    those same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame
    Street more than superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't
    WANT to live in peace with their neighbours: they blame all their
    problems on the Jews and simply want to exterminate them. Teaching
    the newest generations to hate is fundamental to them and the
    perpetuation of their ideas as it was to Hitler or the various
    Communist dictators.

    Yes, overtly impolitic material won't get aired. But it's Sesame
    Street.


    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, as
    if that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or count
    or tell time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago. It's
    like you're looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-programming
    in place for fear that the kids won't learn to hate Jews if the
    hateful shows aren't aired any more.

    I assume that TV production-values have noticeably advanced in 40
    years.


    So you're going to continue this ultra-feeble rationalization for not
    showing older programs on the grounds that Palestinian children would
    be offended at not seeing the programs in glorious 8K and have to
    settle with the older standards? THAT is the compelling reason not to
    show Sesame Street in Gaza or the West Bank?

    You're beyond ridiculous!

    No, I'm saying (and thanks for asking) there might be worthwhile
    purpose to gussying up the Sesame Street repertoire.  But you keep
    pedaling.



    What compelling reason to "gussy up" those shows could there possibly be other than refilling the coffers of whatever Democratic operatives get
    most of the money from any of these initiatives?

    To offer a product that Gazan kids and parents find attractive?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 14 02:47:20 2025
    [snip]
    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell time,
    or countless other things that we (or our children) learned from
    those same shows.
    ======

    Don't forget... **** SMOKING ****


    --
    _____________________________________________________
    Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
    dannyb@panix.com
    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Mar 13 23:30:17 2025
    On 2025-03-13 10:35 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 6:54 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 5:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 5:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 4:08 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 1:01 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is >>>>>>>>>>>> offered in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It >>>>>>>>>>>> turns out that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a >>>>>>>>>>>> regular topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of 'Sesame >>>>>>>>>>> Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we
    already have in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to
    Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are puppets, >>>>>>>> so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be >>>>>>> exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could
    do better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell
    time, or countless other things that we (or our children) learned
    from those same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like Sesame >>>>>> Street more than superhero cartoons. But Palestinian leaders don't >>>>>> WANT to live in peace with their neighbours: they blame all their
    problems on the Jews and simply want to exterminate them. Teaching >>>>>> the newest generations to hate is fundamental to them and the
    perpetuation of their ideas as it was to Hitler or the various
    Communist dictators.

    Yes, overtly impolitic material won't get aired. But it's Sesame
    Street.


    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old,
    as if that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or
    count or tell time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago.
    It's like you're looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-
    programming in place for fear that the kids won't learn to hate
    Jews if the hateful shows aren't aired any more.

    I assume that TV production-values have noticeably advanced in 40
    years.


    So you're going to continue this ultra-feeble rationalization for
    not showing older programs on the grounds that Palestinian children
    would be offended at not seeing the programs in glorious 8K and have
    to settle with the older standards? THAT is the compelling reason
    not to show Sesame Street in Gaza or the West Bank?

    You're beyond ridiculous!

    No, I'm saying (and thanks for asking) there might be worthwhile
    purpose to gussying up the Sesame Street repertoire.  But you keep
    pedaling.



    What compelling reason to "gussy up" those shows could there possibly
    be other than refilling the coffers of whatever Democratic operatives
    get most of the money from any of these initiatives?

    To offer a product that Gazan kids and parents find attractive?


    So you're staying with the theory that giving them anything but glorious
    8K is offensive to the Palestinians and that's the sole reason for
    spending (probably) big money to make "attractive" editions of the
    educational shows?

    What a joke you are!

    And should USAID also remake those wife-beating videos with the latest
    tech so that adult men don't have to suffer poor production values either?

    Also, remind me why foreigners should pay to produce these programs when
    many countries have poured hundreds of millions into Gaza to make their
    lives better but Hamas diverted the money into making tunnels to store
    their weapons (and eventually hostages) and launch their rockets - and
    to let their top people live as billionaires in Qatar?


    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Fri Mar 14 12:30:25 2025
    On 3/13/2025 11:30 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 10:35 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 6:54 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 5:44 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 5:31 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 4:08 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/13/2025 1:01 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-03-13 11:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 3/12/2025 11:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 12, 2025 at 7:28:48 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 3/12/2025 6:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 12, 2025 at 3:20:12 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/12/2025 4:14 PM, Rhino wrote:

        Have you ever wondered what kind of TV programming is >>>>>>>>>>>>> offered in the
        Palestinian enclaves like Gaza and the West Bank? It >>>>>>>>>>>>> turns out that
        instruction on how and when to beat your wife is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular topic there,
        as we see in this video:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYhwtn5wcI [11 minutes] >>>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes, even misogyny has rules, as we see in this video. >>>>>>>>>>>>
      Perhaps this why USAID finances foreign versions of >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Sesame Street'.
      Instead of just over-dubbing the 40 years of shows we >>>>>>>>>>> already have in Arabic
      and saving the taxpayers millions of dollars.

    I don't know that dubbed 40-year-old shows would appeal to >>>>>>>>>> Gazan kids.

    Why not? At least 90% of the characters on the show are
    puppets, so there
    wouldn't even be lip-synching issues.

    I suppose it's possible that those dubbed old shows happen to be >>>>>>>> exactly suited to today's Gazan kids, but I'm guessing we could >>>>>>>> do better.



    Those 40 year old shows could teach them to read, count, tell
    time, or countless other things that we (or our children) learned >>>>>>> from those same shows. Of course I'm speaking of shows like
    Sesame Street more than superhero cartoons. But Palestinian
    leaders don't WANT to live in peace with their neighbours: they
    blame all their problems on the Jews and simply want to
    exterminate them. Teaching the newest generations to hate is
    fundamental to them and the perpetuation of their ideas as it was >>>>>>> to Hitler or the various Communist dictators.

    Yes, overtly impolitic material won't get aired. But it's Sesame
    Street.


    You use the incredibly lame "argument" that those shows are old, >>>>>>> as if that invalidates their message, as if learning to read, or >>>>>>> count or tell time isn't just as relevant as it was 40 years ago. >>>>>>> It's like you're looking for *any* excuse to keep the hate-
    programming in place for fear that the kids won't learn to hate
    Jews if the hateful shows aren't aired any more.

    I assume that TV production-values have noticeably advanced in 40
    years.


    So you're going to continue this ultra-feeble rationalization for
    not showing older programs on the grounds that Palestinian children
    would be offended at not seeing the programs in glorious 8K and
    have to settle with the older standards? THAT is the compelling
    reason not to show Sesame Street in Gaza or the West Bank?

    You're beyond ridiculous!

    No, I'm saying (and thanks for asking) there might be worthwhile
    purpose to gussying up the Sesame Street repertoire.  But you keep
    pedaling.



    What compelling reason to "gussy up" those shows could there possibly
    be other than refilling the coffers of whatever Democratic operatives
    get most of the money from any of these initiatives?

    To offer a product that Gazan kids and parents find attractive?


    So you're staying with the theory that giving them anything but glorious
    8K is offensive to the Palestinians and that's the sole reason for
    spending (probably) big money to make "attractive" editions of the educational shows?

    No, I'm staying with the theory that an effort to showcase 'Sesame
    Street' isn't automatically risible.

    What a joke you are!

    ...nor is it automatically a punch line.


    And should USAID also remake those wife-beating videos with the latest
    tech so that adult men don't have to suffer poor production values either?

    Umm... no? Maybe? What?


    Also, remind me why foreigners should pay to produce these programs when
    many countries have poured hundreds of millions into Gaza to make their
    lives better but Hamas diverted the money into making tunnels to store
    their weapons (and eventually hostages) and launch their rockets - and
    to let their top people live as billionaires in Qatar?

    If we're the "foreigners", we might do it to export Western values.
    Rinse, repeat...

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 20 03:39:33 2025
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    /
    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the
    last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst
    people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders >>>> are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of
    this anarchistic indoctrination?

    These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in Los
    Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher prohibited cell
    phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but because she >> didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.

    https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq

    As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the flag of >> the
    Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is dumped
    haphazardly on some furniture in the background.

    Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely "Fuck the >> Police" posters.

    https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h

    This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months ago, I >> stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band
    director
    hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely struck me >> that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the walls of >> the
    classrooms than there were American flags.

    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually getting sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-school-teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to wear body cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those classrooms. What they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls, what political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what things they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their sex lives they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good enough for teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs properly, they have nothing to fear.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 20 12:16:18 2025
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
    /
    But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school system in the
    last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been discovered so
    far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied for the worst
    people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

    And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

    Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
    revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their leaders
    are ready to give the order.

    Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible evidence of >>>> this anarchistic indoctrination?

    These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in Los >>> Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher prohibited cell
    phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but because she
    didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.

    https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq

    As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the flag of >>> the
    Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is dumped >>> haphazardly on some furniture in the background.

    Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely "Fuck the >>> Police" posters.

    https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h

    This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months ago, I >>> stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band
    director
    hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely struck me
    that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the walls of >>> the
    classrooms than there were American flags.

    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-school-teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to wear body cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those classrooms. What they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls, what political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what things they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good enough for teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear
    about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY classroom -
    should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of every child in
    the room and arguably all of the people who fund that school. The audio
    and video should be RECORDED so that parents and other stakeholders can
    review it after the fact since most of them will be busy doing other
    things during class. ALL teachers need to be accountable for what they
    teach. The teaching materials - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading
    lists - also need to be accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side
    benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. Teachers
    have far too much trust in the current system: everyone seems to give
    them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, particularly their
    unions, administrators, fellow teachers and school boards. I think
    students are often persuaded to lie to others, including their parents,
    about what happens in the classroom to cover up the teachers'
    indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll be
    better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot.

    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun Apr 20 14:06:53 2025
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been >>>>>>>> discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied >>>>>>>> for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender. >>>>>>>
        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their >>>>>> leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in
    Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the
    flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is
    dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely
    "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months
    ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band >>>> director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely
    struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the
    walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually getting >>> sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-school-
    teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to wear
    body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what
    things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their
    sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear
    about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of every child in
    the room and arguably all of the people who fund that school. The audio
    and video should be RECORDED so that parents and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them will be busy doing other
    things during class. ALL teachers need to be accountable for what they
    teach. The teaching materials - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading
    lists - also need to be accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side
    benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. Teachers
    have far too much trust in the current system: everyone seems to give
    them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, particularly their
    unions, administrators, fellow teachers and school boards. I think
    students are often persuaded to lie to others, including their parents,
    about what happens in the classroom to cover up the teachers'
    indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll be
    better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society. In theory --
    and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 14:22:01 2025
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been >>>>>>>>> discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied >>>>>>>>> for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender. >>>>>>>>
        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
    their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School
    in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the >>>>> flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is >>>>> dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely
    "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band >>>>> director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely >>>>> struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the
    walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's) >>>> public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-school-
    teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls, what >>> political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what
    things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their
    sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good enough
    for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear
    about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY classroom
    - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of every child
    in the room and arguably all of the people who fund that school. The
    audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and other
    stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them will be
    busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need to be
    accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials - textbooks,
    videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to the
    same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side
    benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone seems
    to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, particularly
    their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and school boards. I
    think students are often persuaded to lie to others, including their
    parents, about what happens in the classroom to cover up the teachers'
    indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll be
    better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In theory --
    and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as
    animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those that
    are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun Apr 20 15:13:55 2025
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been >>>>>>>>>> discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied >>>>>>>>>> for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender. >>>>>>>>>
        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School >>>>>> in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
    the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag
    is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely >>>>>> "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the >>>>>> band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the >>>>>> walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school >>>>> students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's) >>>>> public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls,
    what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what
    things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their
    sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs >>>> properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear
    about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of
    every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund that
    school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and
    other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them
    will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need to be
    accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials - textbooks,
    videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to the
    same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side
    benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and school
    boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others,
    including their parents, about what happens in the classroom to cover
    up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll be
    better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but the
    promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In theory --
    and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as
    animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those that
    are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess: You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 15:38:23 2025
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been >>>>>>>>>>> discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied >>>>>>>>>>> for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender. >>>>>>>>>>
        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School >>>>>>> in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but >>>>>>> because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag >>>>>>> is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely >>>>>>> "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the >>>>>>> band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on
    the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school >>>>>> students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his
    (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls,
    what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what
    things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of
    their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs >>>>> properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear
    about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of
    every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund that
    school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and
    other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them
    will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need to
    be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials -
    textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side
    benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to
    others, including their parents, about what happens in the classroom
    to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll
    be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot. >>>
    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST sentence
    too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...


    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why teachers SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 19:39:10 2025
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 11:06:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been >>>>>>>>> discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied >>>>>>>>> for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender. >>>>>>>>
        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when their >>>>>>> leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?

      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School in >>>>> Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and the >>>>> flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag is >>>>> dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely
    "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple months >>>>> ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the band >>>>> director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it definitely >>>>> struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the >>>>> walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.

    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually getting >>>> sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school >>>> students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's) >>>> public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:

    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-school-
    teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to wear
    body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls, what >>> political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what
    things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their
    sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good enough for >>> teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.

    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear
    about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY classroom -
    should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of every child in
    the room and arguably all of the people who fund that school. The audio
    and video should be RECORDED so that parents and other stakeholders can
    review it after the fact since most of them will be busy doing other
    things during class. ALL teachers need to be accountable for what they
    teach. The teaching materials - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading
    lists - also need to be accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side
    benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. Teachers
    have far too much trust in the current system: everyone seems to give
    them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, particularly their
    unions, administrators, fellow teachers and school boards. I think
    students are often persuaded to lie to others, including their parents,
    about what happens in the classroom to cover up the teachers'
    indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll be
    better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination

    Exactly. So when indoctrination is occurring, there needs to be a mechanism to expose it and end it.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 19:40:44 2025
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been >>>>>>>>>>> discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied >>>>>>>>>>> for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School >>>>>>> in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but >>>>>>> because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag >>>>>>> is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely >>>>>>> "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the >>>>>>> band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the >>>>>>> walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school >>>>>> students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's) >>>>>> public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls, >>>>> what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what >>>>> things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their >>>>> sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs >>>>> properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear
    about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of
    every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund that
    school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and
    other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them
    will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need to be >>>> accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials - textbooks,
    videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to the
    same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side
    benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and school >>>> boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others,
    including their parents, about what happens in the classroom to cover >>>> up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll be >>>> better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but the
    promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In theory -- >>> and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST sentence too. >>
    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers ARE
    indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender universe, the
    nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as
    animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those that
    are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess: You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical ideologues, so when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, you get people who are all black.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 16:53:03 2025
    On 2025-04-20 4:36 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
      <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
        /
          But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
      system in the
          last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>> been
      discovered so
          far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>> tied
      for the worst
          people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

          And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

          Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
          revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>>>   their leaders
          are ready to give the order.

        Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>   evidence of
        this anarchistic indoctrination?
        These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>> School
      in Los
        Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>   prohibited cell
        phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but >>>>>>>>>   because she
        didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>>     https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
        As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>>>   the flag of
      the
        Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag >>>>>>>>>   is dumped
        haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
        Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>> lovely
      "Fuck the
        Police" posters.
        https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
        This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>   months ago, I
        stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>> the
      band
      director
        hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>   definitely struck me
        that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags >>>>>>>>> on the
      walls of
      the
        classrooms than there were American flags.
      I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>>>   getting
      sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>   undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>> school
      students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
      public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>>>   captured by the journalist:


      https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>   school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

      I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>>>   wear body
      cams while on the clock, just like police do.

      They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
      classrooms. What
      they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom
    walls,
      what
      political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>> what
      things
      they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>> their
      sex lives
      they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

      If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>   enough for
      teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing
    their jobs
      properly, they have nothing to fear.


      Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>> hear
      about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
      classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the
    parents of
      every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>> that
      school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and >>>>>>   other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them >>>>>>   will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need >>>>>> to be
      accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials -
    textbooks,
      videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to the >>>>>>   same people.

      Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>>>   nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>> side
      benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are >>>>>>   discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
      Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>   seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
      particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school
      boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others,
      including their parents, about what happens in the classroom to >>>>>> cover
      up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

      Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms,
    we'll be
      better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>> rot.

      The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination,
    but the
      promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory --
      and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents.


      You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.
      I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers ARE
      indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the
      nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as >>>>   animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
      The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>   Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear.
    Those that
      are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical
    ideologues, so
    when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, you get
    people
    who are all black.

    So what's the One True Source of Truth?  Project 2025?


    It's most certainly NOT the works of Karl Marx or his followers!

    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun Apr 20 16:33:31 2025
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High
    School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but >>>>>>>> because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag >>>>>>>> is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these
    lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on >>>>>>>> the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>> getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high
    school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his
    (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom
    walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom,
    what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of
    their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their
    jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we
    hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents
    of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund
    that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents
    and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of
    them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers
    need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials
    - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a
    side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students
    are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to
    others, including their parents, about what happens in the
    classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll
    be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the
    rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 20 16:36:44 2025
    On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have been >>>>>>>>>>>> discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are tied >>>>>>>>>>>> for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High School >>>>>>>> in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but >>>>>>>> because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag >>>>>>>> is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these lovely >>>>>>>> "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project the >>>>>>>> band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on the >>>>>>>> walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>> getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high school >>>>>>> students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>> wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom walls, >>>>>> what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, what >>>>>> things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of their >>>>>> sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their jobs >>>>>> properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we hear >>>>> about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents of >>>>> every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund that >>>>> school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and >>>>> other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them >>>>> will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need to be >>>>> accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials - textbooks, >>>>> videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to the >>>>> same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>> nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a side >>>>> benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are
    discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and school >>>>> boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others,
    including their parents, about what happens in the classroom to cover >>>>> up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll be >>>>> better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the rot. >>>>
    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but the >>>> promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In theory -- >>>> and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers ARE >>> indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender universe, the >>> nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as
    animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those that >>> are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess: You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical ideologues, so when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, you get people who are all black.

    So what's the One True Source of Truth? Project 2025?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun Apr 20 17:01:09 2025
    On 4/20/2025 4:53 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 4:36 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
      <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
        /
          But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
      system in the
          last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
      discovered so
          far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied
      for the worst
          people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

          And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>
          Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>> raising
          revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>>>>   their leaders
          are ready to give the order.

        Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>   evidence of
        this anarchistic indoctrination?
        These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>> School
      in Los
        Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>>   prohibited cell
        phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting >>>>>>>>>> but
      because she
        didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>> parents.
        https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
        As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>>>>   the flag of
      the
        Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>> flag
      is dumped
        haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
        Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>> lovely
      "Fuck the
        Police" posters.
        https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
        This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>   months ago, I
        stopped by my local high school to drop off a music
    project the
      band
      director
        hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>   definitely struck me
        that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags >>>>>>>>>> on the
      walls of
      the
        classrooms than there were American flags.
      I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>>>>   getting
      sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>>   undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his >>>>>>>>> high school
      students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
      public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own
    words, as
      captured by the journalist:


      https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>   school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

      I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>>>>   wear body
      cams while on the clock, just like police do.

      They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>   classrooms. What
      they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>> walls,
      what
      political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>> what
      things
      they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>> their
      sex lives
      they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

      If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>   enough for
      teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>> their jobs
      properly, they have nothing to fear.


      Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>> hear
      about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
      classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the
    parents of
      every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>>> that
      school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and >>>>>>>   other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them >>>>>>>   will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need >>>>>>> to be
      accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials -
    textbooks,
      videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to >>>>>>> the
      same people.

      Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>>>>   nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>> side
      benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are >>>>>>>   discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>>>   Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>   seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
      particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>> school
      boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others, >>>>>>>   including their parents, about what happens in the classroom to >>>>>>> cover
      up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

      Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms,
    we'll be
      better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>>> rot.

      The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination,
    but the
      promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory --
      and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents. >>>>>>

      You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.
      I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers ARE
      indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the
      nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as >>>>>   animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
      The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>>   Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear.
    Those that
      are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical
    ideologues, so
    when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, you get
    people
    who are all black.

    So what's the One True Source of Truth?  Project 2025?

    It's most certainly NOT the works of Karl Marx or his followers!

    Let me guess: You'd prefer your kid were taught that communism is a
    Moral Evil rather than a social theory proven unworkable in humans...

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 17:02:35 2025
    On 2025-04-20 4:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>> school system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High
    School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting >>>>>>>>> but because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>> flag is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these
    lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on >>>>>>>>> the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>>> getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>> school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his
    (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>>> wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom
    walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom,
    what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of
    their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their >>>>>>> jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we
    hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents
    of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>> that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that
    parents and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since
    most of them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL
    teachers need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching
    materials - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need >>>>>> to be accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>>> nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a
    side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students
    are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>> Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to
    others, including their parents, about what happens in the
    classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll >>>>>> be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>> rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and
    be taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    I have no idea what you're babbling about. ChatGPT is most certainly NOT
    free of error: I've seen that with my own two eyes during
    demonstrations. At the very least, some of its trainers are feeding it nonsense, much like the nonsense some of our school teachers are feeding
    their students.

      > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?


    Actors do it all of the time in front of MILLIONS of inspectors (aka
    audience members). Teachers are already expected to perform in front of
    a room full of students. (Back in the day, they used to have to teach in
    front of inspectors on occasion too but I'm not sure if that still
    happens). If they're doing their jobs honestly, they have nothing to
    fear except perhaps a bit of stage fright.

    If that's the best reason you can come up with, you're not very convincing.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 21:13:30 2025
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school >>>>>>>>>>>>> system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but >>>>>>>>> because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag >>>>>>>>> is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on >>>>>>>>> the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>>> getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>> school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his
    (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>>> wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom
    walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom,
    what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of
    their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their >>>>>>> jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we
    hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>> classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents >>>>>> of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>> that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents >>>>>> and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of >>>>>> them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers
    need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials >>>>>> - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>>> nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a
    side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students >>>>>> are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>> Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to
    others, including their parents, about what happens in the
    classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll >>>>>> be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>> rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be >>>> taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 17:05:18 2025
    On 2025-04-20 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 4:53 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 4:36 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
      <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
        /
          But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
      system in the
          last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been
      discovered so
          far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are tied
      for the worst
          people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

          And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
          Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>>> raising
          revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
      their leaders
          are ready to give the order.

        Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>   evidence of
        this anarchistic indoctrination?
        These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>> School
      in Los
        Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>>>   prohibited cell
        phone use in the classroom, not because it was
    distracting but
      because she
        didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>> parents.
        https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
        As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, >>>>>>>>>>> and
      the flag of
      the
        Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>>> flag
      is dumped
        haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
        Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>> lovely
      "Fuck the
        Police" posters.
        https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
        This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>>   months ago, I
        stopped by my local high school to drop off a music >>>>>>>>>>> project the
      band
      director
        hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>   definitely struck me
        that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags >>>>>>>>>>> on the
      walls of
      the
        classrooms than there were American flags.
      I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe
    eventually
      getting
      sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly >>>>>>>>>> told an
      undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his >>>>>>>>>> high school
      students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
      public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own >>>>>>>>>> words, as
      captured by the journalist:


      https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>   school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

      I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist
    apparatchiks to
      wear body
      cams while on the clock, just like police do.

      They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>   classrooms. What
      they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>> walls,
      what
      political opinions the teacher is bringing into the
    classroom, what
      things
      they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much >>>>>>>>> of their
      sex lives
      they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

      If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>   enough for
      teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>> their jobs
      properly, they have nothing to fear.


      Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals >>>>>>>> we hear
      about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>>   classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the
    parents of
      every child in the room and arguably all of the people who
    fund that
      school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents >>>>>>>> and
      other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of >>>>>>>> them
      will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers
    need to be
      accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials -
    textbooks,
      videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible >>>>>>>> to the
      same people.

      Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda >>>>>>>> and
      nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As >>>>>>>> a side
      benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are >>>>>>>>   discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>>>>   Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>>   seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>   particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>> school
      boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others, >>>>>>>>   including their parents, about what happens in the classroom >>>>>>>> to cover
      up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

      Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>> we'll be
      better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end >>>>>>>> the rot.

      The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, >>>>>>> but the
      promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>> theory --
      and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents. >>>>>>>

      You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.
      I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers ARE
      indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the
      nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as >>>>>>   animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
      The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>>>   Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear.
    Those that
      are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>
    No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical
    ideologues, so
    when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, you
    get people
    who are all black.

    So what's the One True Source of Truth?  Project 2025?

    It's most certainly NOT the works of Karl Marx or his followers!

    Let me guess:  You'd prefer your kid were taught that communism is a
    Moral Evil rather than a social theory proven unworkable in humans...


    Hold the phone here: are you admitting that communism has been proven unworkable to your satisfaction?

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 21:14:49 2025
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 2:01:09 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 4:53 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 4:36 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
      <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
        /
          But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
      system in the
          last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
      discovered so
          far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied
      for the worst
          people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

          And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
          Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>>> raising
          revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
      their leaders
          are ready to give the order.

        Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>   evidence of
        this anarchistic indoctrination?
        These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>> School
      in Los
        Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>>>   prohibited cell
        phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting >>>>>>>>>>> but
      because she
        didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>> parents.
        https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
        As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
      the flag of
      the
        Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>>> flag
      is dumped
        haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
        Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>> lovely
      "Fuck the
        Police" posters.
        https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
        This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>>   months ago, I
        stopped by my local high school to drop off a music >>>>>>>>>>> project the
      band
      director
        hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>   definitely struck me
        that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags >>>>>>>>>>> on the
      walls of
      the
        classrooms than there were American flags.
      I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>>>>>   getting
      sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>>>   undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his >>>>>>>>>> high school
      students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
      public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own >>>>>>>>>> words, as
      captured by the journalist:


      https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>   school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

      I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>>>>>   wear body
      cams while on the clock, just like police do.

      They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>   classrooms. What
      they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>> walls,
      what
      political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>> what
      things
      they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>> their
      sex lives
      they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

      If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>   enough for
      teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>> their jobs
      properly, they have nothing to fear.


      Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>> hear
      about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>>   classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the
    parents of
      every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>>>> that
      school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and >>>>>>>>   other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them >>>>>>>>   will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need >>>>>>>> to be
      accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials -
    textbooks,
      videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to >>>>>>>> the
      same people.

      Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>>>>>   nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>>> side
      benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are >>>>>>>>   discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>>>>   Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>>   seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>   particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>> school
      boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others, >>>>>>>>   including their parents, about what happens in the classroom to >>>>>>>> cover
      up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

      Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>> we'll be
      better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>>>> rot.

      The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, >>>>>>> but the
      promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>> theory --
      and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents. >>>>>>>

      You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.
      I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers ARE
      indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the
      nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as >>>>>>   animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
      The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>>>   Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear.
    Those that
      are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>
    No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical
    ideologues, so
    when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, you get >>>> people
    who are all black.

    So what's the One True Source of Truth?  Project 2025?

    It's most certainly NOT the works of Karl Marx or his followers!

    Let me guess: You'd prefer your kid were taught that communism is a
    Moral Evil rather than a social theory proven unworkable in humans...

    Let's go with both.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 20 19:50:30 2025
    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
    system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but >>>>>>>>>> because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag >>>>>>>>>> is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>> definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on >>>>>>>>>> the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>>>> getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>>> school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>>>> wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>> classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>> walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>> what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>> their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>> enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their >>>>>>>> jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>> hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>> classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents >>>>>>> of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>>> that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents >>>>>>> and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of >>>>>>> them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers >>>>>>> need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials >>>>>>> - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be >>>>>>> accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>>>> nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>> side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students >>>>>>> are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>>> Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>> seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>> school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to
    others, including their parents, about what happens in the
    classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll >>>>>>> be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>>> rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but >>>>>> the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>> theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than >>>>>> parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers >>>>> ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be >>>>> taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>> Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those >>>>> that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>
    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.




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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun Apr 20 19:53:08 2025
    On 4/20/2025 5:02 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 4:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> school system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when >>>>>>>>>>>> their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting >>>>>>>>>> but because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, >>>>>>>>>> and the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>> flag is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on >>>>>>>>>> the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe
    eventually getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>>> school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks >>>>>>>> to wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom
    walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>> what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>> their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>> enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing
    their jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we
    hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>> classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents >>>>>>> of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who
    fund that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that >>>>>>> parents and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since >>>>>>> most of them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL
    teachers need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching >>>>>>> materials - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also
    need to be accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda
    and nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As >>>>>>> a side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which
    students are discipline problems so that they can be handled
    appropriately. Teachers have far too much trust in the current
    system: everyone seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no >>>>>>> matter what, particularly their unions, administrators, fellow
    teachers and school boards. I think students are often persuaded >>>>>>> to lie to others, including their parents, about what happens in >>>>>>> the classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms,
    we'll be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to >>>>>>> end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but >>>>>> the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and
    be taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    I have no idea what you're babbling about. ChatGPT is most certainly NOT
    free of error: I've seen that with my own two eyes during
    demonstrations. At the very least, some of its trainers are feeding it nonsense, much like the nonsense some of our school teachers are feeding their students.

       > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?


    Actors do it all of the time in front of MILLIONS of inspectors (aka
    audience members). Teachers are already expected to perform in front of
    a room full of students. (Back in the day, they used to have to teach in front of inspectors on occasion too but I'm not sure if that still
    happens). If they're doing their jobs honestly, they have nothing to
    fear except perhaps a bit of stage fright.

    If that's the best reason you can come up with, you're not very convincing.

    Actors aren't present as themselves ...which a good teacher has to be.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 20 19:57:07 2025
    On 4/20/2025 5:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 2:01:09 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 4:53 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 4:36 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
      <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
        /
          But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
      system in the
          last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have
    been
      discovered so
          far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are
    tied
      for the worst
          people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

          And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raising
          revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
      their leaders
          are ready to give the order.

        Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>>   evidence of
        this anarchistic indoctrination?
        These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>>> School
      in Los
        Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
      prohibited cell
        phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting >>>>>>>>>>>> but
      because she
        didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>>> parents.
        https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
        As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
      the flag of
      the
        Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>>>> flag
      is dumped
        haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>     Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>>> lovely
      "Fuck the
        Police" posters.
        https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
        This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
      months ago, I
        stopped by my local high school to drop off a music >>>>>>>>>>>> project the
      band
      director
        hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>>   definitely struck me
        that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags >>>>>>>>>>>> on the
      walls of
      the
        classrooms than there were American flags.
      I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
      getting
      sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
      undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his >>>>>>>>>>> high school
      students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
      public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own >>>>>>>>>>> words, as
      captured by the journalist:


      https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>>   school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

      I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
      wear body
      cams while on the clock, just like police do.

      They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>>   classrooms. What
      they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>> walls,
      what
      political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>>> what
      things
      they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>>> their
      sex lives
      they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

      If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>>   enough for
      teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>>> their jobs
      properly, they have nothing to fear.


      Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>>> hear
      about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>>>   classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the >>>>>>>>> parents of
      every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>>>>> that
      school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents and
      other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of them
      will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers need >>>>>>>>> to be
      accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials - >>>>>>>>> textbooks,
      videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to >>>>>>>>> the
      same people.

      Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
      nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>>>> side
      benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students are >>>>>>>>>   discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>>>>>   Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>>>   seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>>   particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>>> school
      boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to others, >>>>>>>>>   including their parents, about what happens in the classroom to >>>>>>>>> cover
      up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

      Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>>> we'll be
      better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>>>>> rot.

      The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, >>>>>>>> but the
      promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>>> theory --
      and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than parents. >>>>>>>>

      You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>> sentence too.
      I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers ARE
      indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the
      nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be taught - as
      animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
      The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
      Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. >>>>>>> Those that
      are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>>
    No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical
    ideologues, so
    when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, you get >>>>> people
    who are all black.

    So what's the One True Source of Truth?  Project 2025?

    It's most certainly NOT the works of Karl Marx or his followers!

    Let me guess: You'd prefer your kid were taught that communism is a
    Moral Evil rather than a social theory proven unworkable in humans...

    Let's go with both.

    They aren't fellow travelers.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 20:10:48 2025
    On 2025-04-20 7:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 5:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 2:01:09 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 4:53 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 4:36 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>   wrote:

      On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
        On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
        On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
        On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
        <no_offline_contact@example.com>
        wrote:

        On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>     <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
          On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
          /
            But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the
      school
        system in the
            last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
      been
        discovered so
            far and is convinced that Columbus and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Churchill are
      tied
        for the worst
            people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major
      contender.

            And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
            Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   raising
            revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down" when
        their leaders
            are ready to give the order.

          Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tangible
        evidence of
          this anarchistic indoctrination?
          These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>>>>   School
        in Los
          Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the >>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher
        prohibited cell
          phone use in the classroom, not because it was >>>>>>>>>>>>> distracting
      but
        because she
          didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>>>>   parents.
          https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
          As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine >>>>>>>>>>>>> flag, and
        the flag of
        the
          Password People prominently displayed, while the >>>>>>>>>>>>> American
      flag
        is dumped
          haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>>       Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>>>>   lovely
        "Fuck the
          Police" posters.
          https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
          This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A >>>>>>>>>>>>> couple
        months ago, I
          stopped by my local high school to drop off a music >>>>>>>>>>>>>   project the
        band
        director
          hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>>>     definitely struck me
          that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle >>>>>>>>>>>>> flags
      on the
        walls of
        the
          classrooms than there were American flags.
        I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe >>>>>>>>>>>> eventually
        getting
        sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly >>>>>>>>>>>> told an
        undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his >>>>>>>>>>>>   high school
        students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in >>>>>>>>>>>> his
      (Lenin's)
        public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own >>>>>>>>>>>>   words, as
        captured by the journalist:


        https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa- >>>>>>>>>>>> high-
        school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

        I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist
    apparatchiks to
        wear body
        cams while on the clock, just like police do.

        They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>>>     classrooms. What
        they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>>>   walls,
        what
        political opinions the teacher is bringing into the >>>>>>>>>>> classroom,
      what
        things
        they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how >>>>>>>>>>> much of
      their
        sex lives
        they feel compelled to share with the students, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>
        If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be >>>>>>>>>>> good
        enough for
        teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>>>>   their jobs
        properly, they have nothing to fear.


        Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other
    radicals we
      hear
        about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>>>>     classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the >>>>>>>>>>   parents of
        every child in the room and arguably all of the people who >>>>>>>>>> fund
      that
        school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that >>>>>>>>>> parents and
        other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most >>>>>>>>>> of them
        will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers >>>>>>>>>> need
      to be
        accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials - >>>>>>>>>>   textbooks,
        videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to
      the
        same people.

        Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of
    propaganda and
        nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. >>>>>>>>>> As a
      side
        benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which
    students are
        discipline problems so that they can be handled
    appropriately.
        Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: >>>>>>>>>> everyone
        seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>>>     particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers >>>>>>>>>> and
      school
        boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>>>> others,
        including their parents, about what happens in the
    classroom to
      cover
        up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

        Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>>>>   we'll be
        better able to understand what reforms are necessary to >>>>>>>>>> end the
      rot.

        The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, >>>>>>>>>   but the
        promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>>>>   theory --
        and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than >>>>>>>>> parents.


        You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>>>   sentence too.
        I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that >>>>>>>>   teachers ARE
        indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender >>>>>>>>   universe, the
        nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as
        animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
        The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and >>>>>>>> audio.
        Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. >>>>>>>>   Those that
        are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

      Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with
    ChatGPT...

      No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical
      ideologues, so
      when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers,
    you get
      people
      who are all black.

      So what's the One True Source of Truth?  Project 2025?

      It's most certainly NOT the works of Karl Marx or his followers!

    Let me guess:  You'd prefer your kid were taught that communism is a
    Moral Evil rather than a social theory proven unworkable in humans...

    Let's go with both.

    They aren't fellow travelers.


    Gabriel Gipe is! Just watch the video I cited in this thread where he
    shows off his classroom with its Communist paraphernalia and hear him
    brag about his tactics for turning his students into more like him.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 20:12:13 2025
    On 2025-04-20 7:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 5:02 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 4:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism.

        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising >>>>>>>>>>>>>     revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" >>>>>>>>>>>>> when their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the
    teacher prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting >>>>>>>>>>> but because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents. >>>>>>>>>>>   https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, >>>>>>>>>>> and the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>>> flag is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>> definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags >>>>>>>>>>> on the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe
    eventually getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>>>> school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks >>>>>>>>> to wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>> classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>> walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>> what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>> their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>> enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing
    their jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>> hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself -
    EVERY classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the >>>>>>>> parents of every child in the room and arguably all of the
    people who fund that school. The audio and video should be
    RECORDED so that parents and other stakeholders can review it
    after the fact since most of them will be busy doing other
    things during class. ALL teachers need to be accountable for
    what they teach. The teaching materials - textbooks, videos,
    handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to the same >>>>>>>> people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda >>>>>>>> and nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. >>>>>>>> As a side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which
    students are discipline problems so that they can be handled
    appropriately. Teachers have far too much trust in the current >>>>>>>> system: everyone seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no >>>>>>>> matter what, particularly their unions, administrators, fellow >>>>>>>> teachers and school boards. I think students are often persuaded >>>>>>>> to lie to others, including their parents, about what happens in >>>>>>>> the classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>
    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms,
    we'll be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to >>>>>>>> end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination,
    but the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society. >>>>>>> In theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better
    than parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-
    gender universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can
    live - and be taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and
    audio. Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to
    fear. Those that are raising radical ideologues should lose their
    jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>>
    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    I have no idea what you're babbling about. ChatGPT is most certainly
    NOT free of error: I've seen that with my own two eyes during
    demonstrations. At the very least, some of its trainers are feeding it
    nonsense, much like the nonsense some of our school teachers are
    feeding their students.

       > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?


    Actors do it all of the time in front of MILLIONS of inspectors (aka
    audience members). Teachers are already expected to perform in front
    of a room full of students. (Back in the day, they used to have to
    teach in front of inspectors on occasion too but I'm not sure if that
    still happens). If they're doing their jobs honestly, they have
    nothing to fear except perhaps a bit of stage fright.

    If that's the best reason you can come up with, you're not very
    convincing.

    Actors aren't present as themselves ...which a good teacher has to be.


    "present as themselves"? Do you even know what you're saying? This
    sounds like more of your standard fuzzification of language....

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon Apr 21 00:15:52 2025
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
    system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
    their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>>> prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and >>>>>>>>>>> the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag
    is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>> definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on >>>>>>>>>>> the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually >>>>>>>>>> getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>>>> school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as >>>>>>>>>> captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to >>>>>>>>> wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>> classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>> walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>> what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>> their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>> enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their >>>>>>>>> jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>> hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>> classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents >>>>>>>> of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund >>>>>>>> that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents >>>>>>>> and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of >>>>>>>> them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers >>>>>>>> need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials >>>>>>>> - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be >>>>>>>> accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and >>>>>>>> nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>>> side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students >>>>>>>> are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately. >>>>>>>> Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>> seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>> particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>> school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>> others, including their parents, about what happens in the
    classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>
    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll >>>>>>>> be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the >>>>>>>> rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but >>>>>>> the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>> theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than >>>>>>> parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers >>>>>> ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be >>>>>> taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>>> Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those >>>>>> that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>>
    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers and >> they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Apr 20 20:17:23 2025
    On 2025-04-20 7:50 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
      <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
        /
          But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
      system in the
          last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   been discovered so
          far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   tied for the worst
          people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   contender.

          And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
          Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>>> raising
          revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
      their leaders
          are ready to give the order.

        Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>   evidence of
        this anarchistic indoctrination?
        These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>>   School in Los
        Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher >>>>>>>>>>>   prohibited cell
        phone use in the classroom, not because it was
    distracting but
      because she
        didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>> parents.
        https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
        As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, >>>>>>>>>>> and
      the flag of
      the
        Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>>> flag
      is dumped
        haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
        Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>>   lovely "Fuck the
        Police" posters.
        https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
        This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>>   months ago, I
        stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>>>>   the band
      director
        hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>   definitely struck me
        that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on >>>>>>>>>>>   the walls of
      the
        classrooms than there were American flags.
      I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe
    eventually
      getting
      sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly >>>>>>>>>> told an
      undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>>>>   school
      students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>>   (Lenin's)
      public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own >>>>>>>>>> words, as
      captured by the journalist:


      https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>   school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

      I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist
    apparatchiks to
      wear body
      cams while on the clock, just like police do.

      They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>   classrooms. What
      they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>   walls, what
      political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>>   what things
      they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>>   their sex lives
      they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

      If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>   enough for
      teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>> their
      jobs
      properly, they have nothing to fear.


      Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>>   hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>>   classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents >>>>>>>>   of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who >>>>>>>> fund
      that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that >>>>>>>> parents
      and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of >>>>>>>>   them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers >>>>>>>>   need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching
    materials
      - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be >>>>>>>>   accessible to the same people.

      Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda >>>>>>>> and
      nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>>>   side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students >>>>>>>>   are discipline problems so that they can be handled
    appropriately.
      Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>>   seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>   particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>>   school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>>   others, including their parents, about what happens in the
      classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>
      Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>> we'll
      be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end >>>>>>>> the
      rot.

      The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but >>>>>>>   the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>>   theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than >>>>>>>   parents.


      You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
      sentence too.

      I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers >>>>>>   ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
      universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live -
    and be
      taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

      The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>>>   Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those >>>>>>   that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

      Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>>
      Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

        > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>> teachers
      SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school
    teachers and
    they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.


    So you're saying police don't have (or use) empathy? Now you're
    insulting an entire profession of people that do their best to maintain
    law and order to protect everyone - and, according to you, they do it
    without empathy.

    Try reading Joseph Wambaugh's novels. He was a police officer for 14
    years until his success as a writer basically forced him to leave the
    job. His fiction is all about police officers and is heavily informed by
    both his own experiences and those of fellow officers, all of whom he
    cites by name in his books. Many of his books depict the suicide of a
    police officer who has been haunted by things he's seen. No empathy?
    What a steaming load of bullcrap!


    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Apr 21 12:50:33 2025
    On 4/20/2025 8:12 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 7:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 5:02 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 4:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the >>>>>>>>>>>> teacher prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting >>>>>>>>>>>> but because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>>> parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, >>>>>>>>>>>> and the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American >>>>>>>>>>>> flag is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background.
      Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A >>>>>>>>>>>> couple months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music >>>>>>>>>>>> project the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags >>>>>>>>>>>> on the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe
    eventually getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an >>>>>>>>>>> undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his >>>>>>>>>>> high school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own
    words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks >>>>>>>>>> to wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>> classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>> walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>>> what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>>> their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>> enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>>> their jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>>> hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself -
    EVERY classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the >>>>>>>>> parents of every child in the room and arguably all of the
    people who fund that school. The audio and video should be
    RECORDED so that parents and other stakeholders can review it >>>>>>>>> after the fact since most of them will be busy doing other
    things during class. ALL teachers need to be accountable for >>>>>>>>> what they teach. The teaching materials - textbooks, videos, >>>>>>>>> handouts, reading lists - also need to be accessible to the
    same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda >>>>>>>>> and nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. >>>>>>>>> As a side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which >>>>>>>>> students are discipline problems so that they can be handled >>>>>>>>> appropriately. Teachers have far too much trust in the current >>>>>>>>> system: everyone seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, >>>>>>>>> no matter what, particularly their unions, administrators,
    fellow teachers and school boards. I think students are often >>>>>>>>> persuaded to lie to others, including their parents, about what >>>>>>>>> happens in the classroom to cover up the teachers'
    indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>>> we'll be better able to understand what reforms are necessary >>>>>>>>> to end the rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, >>>>>>>> but the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society. >>>>>>>> In theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better >>>>>>>> than parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen- >>>>>>> gender universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can
    live - and be taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and
    audio. Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to
    fear. Those that are raising radical ideologues should lose their >>>>>>> jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT... >>>>>>
    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    I have no idea what you're babbling about. ChatGPT is most certainly
    NOT free of error: I've seen that with my own two eyes during
    demonstrations. At the very least, some of its trainers are feeding
    it nonsense, much like the nonsense some of our school teachers are
    feeding their students.

       > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>> teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors? >>>>

    Actors do it all of the time in front of MILLIONS of inspectors (aka
    audience members). Teachers are already expected to perform in front
    of a room full of students. (Back in the day, they used to have to
    teach in front of inspectors on occasion too but I'm not sure if that
    still happens). If they're doing their jobs honestly, they have
    nothing to fear except perhaps a bit of stage fright.

    If that's the best reason you can come up with, you're not very
    convincing.

    Actors aren't present as themselves ...which a good teacher has to be.

    "present as themselves"? Do you even know what you're saying? This
    sounds like more of your standard fuzzification of language....

    An actor plays a scripted role.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 21 12:54:43 2025
    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
    system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have
    been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are
    tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
    their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
    the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag
    is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>   Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>>> months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>>>>> the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on
    the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>>>>> school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>> classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>> walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>>> what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>>> their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>> enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their
    jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>>> hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>>> classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents >>>>>>>>> of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund
    that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents
    and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of >>>>>>>>> them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers >>>>>>>>> need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials
    - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be >>>>>>>>> accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>>>> side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students >>>>>>>>> are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>>> seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>> particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>>> school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>>> others, including their parents, about what happens in the >>>>>>>>> classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>>
    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll
    be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the
    rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but >>>>>>>> the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>>> theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than >>>>>>>> parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>> sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers >>>>>>> ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender >>>>>>> universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio. >>>>>>> Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those >>>>>>> that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>> teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors? >>>
    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers and
    they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Apr 21 12:59:20 2025
    On 4/20/2025 8:17 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 7:50 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig"
      <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
        On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
        /
          But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
      system in the
          last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   been discovered so
          far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   tied for the worst
          people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   contender.

          And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raising
          revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
      their leaders
          are ready to give the order.

        Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>>   evidence of
        this anarchistic indoctrination?
        These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>>>   School in Los
        Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the >>>>>>>>>>>> teacher
      prohibited cell
        phone use in the classroom, not because it was
    distracting but
      because she
        didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>>> parents.
        https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
        As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine >>>>>>>>>>>> flag, and
      the flag of
      the
        Password People prominently displayed, while the >>>>>>>>>>>> American flag
      is dumped
        haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>     Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>>>   lovely "Fuck the
        Police" posters.
        https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
        This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple >>>>>>>>>>>>   months ago, I
        stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project >>>>>>>>>>>>   the band
      director
        hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>>   definitely struck me
        that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle >>>>>>>>>>>> flags on
      the walls of
      the
        classrooms than there were American flags.
      I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe >>>>>>>>>>> eventually
      getting
      sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly >>>>>>>>>>> told an
      undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high >>>>>>>>>>>   school
      students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>>>   (Lenin's)
      public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own >>>>>>>>>>> words, as
      captured by the journalist:


      https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>>   school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

      I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist
    apparatchiks to
      wear body
      cams while on the clock, just like police do.

      They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>>   classrooms. What
      they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>>   walls, what
      political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>>>   what things
      they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>>>   their sex lives
      they feel compelled to share with the students, etc.

      If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>>   enough for
      teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>>> their
      jobs
      properly, they have nothing to fear.


      Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>>>   hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - >>>>>>>>> EVERY
      classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the >>>>>>>>> parents
      of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who >>>>>>>>> fund
      that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that >>>>>>>>> parents
      and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since >>>>>>>>> most of
      them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers >>>>>>>>>   need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching
    materials
      - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be >>>>>>>>>   accessible to the same people.

      Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of
    propaganda and
      nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>>>>   side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which
    students
      are discipline problems so that they can be handled
    appropriately.
      Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone >>>>>>>>>   seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>>   particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>>>   school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>>>   others, including their parents, about what happens in the >>>>>>>>>   classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>>
      Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>>> we'll
      be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to >>>>>>>>> end the
      rot.

      The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, >>>>>>>> but
      the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>>>   theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than >>>>>>>>   parents.


      You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>>   sentence too.

      I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that
    teachers
      ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender >>>>>>>   universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - >>>>>>> and be
      taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

      The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and
    audio.
      Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. >>>>>>> Those
      that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

      Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with
    ChatGPT...

      Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

        > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>> teachers
      SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school
    teachers and
    they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the
    spontaneity and empathy that makes a good teacher.


    So you're saying police don't have (or use) empathy? Now you're
    insulting an entire profession of people that do their best to maintain
    law and order to protect everyone - and, according to you, they do it
    without empathy.

    Try reading Joseph Wambaugh's novels. He was a police officer for 14
    years until his success as a writer basically forced him to leave the
    job. His fiction is all about police officers and is heavily informed by
    both his own experiences and those of fellow officers, all of whom he
    cites by name in his books. Many of his books depict the suicide of a
    police officer who has been haunted by things he's seen. No empathy?
    What a steaming load of bullcrap!

    Afaik, police are subject to more rigid rules and pro/prescribed
    procedures than teachers are ...at least until nanny-cams arrive.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Apr 21 13:05:49 2025
    On 4/20/2025 8:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 7:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 5:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 2:01:09 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 4:53 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-04-20 4:36 PM, moviePig wrote:
      On 4/20/2025 3:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Apr 20, 2025 at 12:13:55 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com>
      wrote:

      On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
        On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
        On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
        On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
        On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
        <no_offline_contact@example.com>
        wrote:

        On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
          On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
          On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
          /
            But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the
      school
        system in the
            last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that have
      been
        discovered so
            far and is convinced that Columbus and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Churchill are
      tied
        for the worst
            people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major
      contender.

            And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
            Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now:
      raising
            revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down" when
        their leaders
            are ready to give the order.

          Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tangible
        evidence of
          this anarchistic indoctrination?
          These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton >>>>>>>>>>>>>> High
      School
        in Los
          Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher
        prohibited cell
          phone use in the classroom, not because it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> distracting
      but
        because she
          didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   parents.
          https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
          As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flag, and
        the flag of
        the
          Password People prominently displayed, while the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
      flag
        is dumped
          haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Other things this teacher hung on her wall include >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
      lovely
        "Fuck the
          Police" posters.
          https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
          This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple
        months ago, I
          stopped by my local high school to drop off a music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   project the
        band
        director
          hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     definitely struck me
          that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flags
      on the
        walls of
        the
          classrooms than there were American flags. >>>>>>>>>>>>>     I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe >>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually
        getting
        sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He >>>>>>>>>>>>> proudly told an
        undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his >>>>>>>>>>>>>   high school
        students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did >>>>>>>>>>>>> in his
      (Lenin's)
        public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own >>>>>>>>>>>>>   words, as
        captured by the journalist:


        https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro- >>>>>>>>>>>>> antifa- high-
        school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

        I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist >>>>>>>>>>>> apparatchiks to
        wear body
        cams while on the clock, just like police do.

        They're working for us. We should know what goes on in >>>>>>>>>>>> those
        classrooms. What
        they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the >>>>>>>>>>>> classroom
      walls,
        what
        political opinions the teacher is bringing into the >>>>>>>>>>>> classroom,
      what
        things
        they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how >>>>>>>>>>>> much of
      their
        sex lives
        they feel compelled to share with the students, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>
        If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should >>>>>>>>>>>> be good
        enough for
        teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing >>>>>>>>>>>>   their jobs
        properly, they have nothing to fear.


        Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other >>>>>>>>>>> radicals we
      hear
        about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY >>>>>>>>>>>     classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the >>>>>>>>>>>   parents of
        every child in the room and arguably all of the people >>>>>>>>>>> who fund
      that
        school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that >>>>>>>>>>> parents and
        other stakeholders can review it after the fact since >>>>>>>>>>> most of them
        will be busy doing other things during class. ALL
    teachers need
      to be
        accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials - >>>>>>>>>>>   textbooks,
        videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to
      the
        same people.

        Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of >>>>>>>>>>> propaganda and
        nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students >>>>>>>>>>> with. As a
      side
        benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which >>>>>>>>>>> students are
        discipline problems so that they can be handled
    appropriately.
        Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: >>>>>>>>>>> everyone
        seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>>>>     particularly their unions, administrators, fellow
    teachers and
      school
        boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>>>>> others,
        including their parents, about what happens in the >>>>>>>>>>> classroom to
      cover
        up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

        Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, >>>>>>>>>>>   we'll be
        better able to understand what reforms are necessary to >>>>>>>>>>> end the
      rot.

        The purpose of public education isn't tailored
    indoctrination,
      but the
        promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In >>>>>>>>>>   theory --
        and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than >>>>>>>>>> parents.


        You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>>>>   sentence too.
        I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that >>>>>>>>>   teachers ARE
        indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender >>>>>>>>>   universe, the
        nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be >>>>>>>>> taught - as
        animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
        The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video >>>>>>>>> and audio.
        Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. >>>>>>>>>   Those that
        are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs.

      Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with
    ChatGPT...

      No, because ChatGPT has been programmed by these same radical >>>>>>>   ideologues, so
      when you ask it to generate pictures of the Founding Fathers, >>>>>>> you get
      people
      who are all black.

      So what's the One True Source of Truth?  Project 2025?

      It's most certainly NOT the works of Karl Marx or his followers!

    Let me guess:  You'd prefer your kid were taught that communism is a
    Moral Evil rather than a social theory proven unworkable in humans...

    Let's go with both.

    They aren't fellow travelers.

    Gabriel Gipe is! Just watch the video I cited in this thread where he
    shows off his classroom with its Communist paraphernalia and hear him
    brag about his tactics for turning his students into more like him.

    Okay. And, of what population do you find him broadly representative?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon Apr 21 17:34:54 2025
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
    system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have
    been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are
    tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
    their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High >>>>>>>>>>>>> School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
    the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag
    is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>>   Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these >>>>>>>>>>>>> lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project
    the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on
    the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags.
    I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high
    school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his >>>>>>>>>>>> (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high- >>>>>>>>>>>> school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>>> classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>>> walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom, >>>>>>>>>>> what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of >>>>>>>>>>> their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>
    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good >>>>>>>>>>> enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their
    jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we >>>>>>>>>> hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents
    of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund
    that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents
    and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of
    them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers >>>>>>>>>> need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials
    - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be >>>>>>>>>> accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a >>>>>>>>>> side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students
    are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>>> particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and >>>>>>>>>> school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>>>> others, including their parents, about what happens in the >>>>>>>>>> classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>>>
    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll
    be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the
    rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>>> sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender >>>>>>>> universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs. >>>>>>>
    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws". >>>>>
    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>>> teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors? >>>>
    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers >>>> and
    they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity >>> and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much.

    What does that have to do with cameras?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 21 15:45:13 2025
    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
    system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have
    been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are
    tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major
    contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
    their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High
    School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
    the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag
    is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these
    lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project
    the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on
    the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high
    school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his
    (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist

    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do.

    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those >>>>>>>>>>>> classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom >>>>>>>>>>>> walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom,
    what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of
    their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their
    jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we
    hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents
    of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund
    that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents
    and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of
    them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers
    need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials
    - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a
    side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students
    are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what, >>>>>>>>>>> particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to >>>>>>>>>>> others, including their parents, about what happens in the >>>>>>>>>>> classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll
    be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the
    rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>>>> sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender >>>>>>>>> universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs. >>>>>>>>
    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws". >>>>>>
    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and
    they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity >>>> and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much.

    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with
    increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the
    same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon Apr 21 20:22:42 2025
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote:
      /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
    system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have
    been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are
    tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major
    contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
    their leaders
        are ready to give the order.

      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High
    School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
    the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag
    is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these
    lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project
    the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on
    the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high
    school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his
    (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom
    walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom,
    what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of
    their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their
    jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we
    hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents
    of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund
    that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents
    and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of
    them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers
    need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials
    - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a
    side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students
    are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to
    others, including their parents, about what happens in the >>>>>>>>>>>> classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll
    be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the
    rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST >>>>>>>>>> sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender >>>>>>>>>> universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs. >>>>>>>>>
    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and
    they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much.

    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with
    increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the
    same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho.

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject personal political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's sexuality and they'll be fine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 21 16:33:06 2025
    On 4/21/2025 4:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 3:13 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 2:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-20 2:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 12:16 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-19 11:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 13, 2025 at 2:22:45 PM PDT, "Rhino" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    On 2025-03-13 4:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Mar 13, 2025 at 1:18:49 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
      On 3/13/2025 3:09 PM, Rhino wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   /
        But I'll bet that any kid that's been through the school
    system in the
        last 20 years knows ALL 147 of the genders that have
    been discovered so
        far and is convinced that Columbus and Churchill are
    tied for the worst
        people ever with Donald Trump emerging as a major
    contender.

        And they're experts on smashing capitalism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        Yeah, that's the ultimate goal of the schools now: raising
        revolutionaries who will happily "burn it all down" when
    their leaders
        are ready to give the order. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Other than podcasts and Usenet, where can I find tangible
    evidence of
      this anarchistic indoctrination?
      These were taken by a student at Alexander Hamilton High
    School in Los
      Angeles. They were taken surreptitiously because the teacher
    prohibited cell
      phone use in the classroom, not because it was distracting but
    because she
      didn't want pictures of her classroom getting back to parents.
      https://ibb.co/R44zv3Bq
      As you can see, we have the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, and
    the flag of
    the
      Password People prominently displayed, while the American flag
    is dumped
      haphazardly on some furniture in the background. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Other things this teacher hung on her wall include these
    lovely "Fuck the
      Police" posters.
      https://ibb.co/RkZsZc7h
      This sort of thing is hardly an isolated incident. A couple
    months ago, I
      stopped by my local high school to drop off a music project
    the band
    director
      hired me to do and as I walked through the building it
    definitely struck me
      that there were a lot more Soviet hammer-and-sickle flags on
    the walls of
    the
      classrooms than there were American flags. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember a teacher in Sacramento named Gabriel Gipe eventually
    getting
    sacked for similar displays in his classroom. He proudly told an
    undercover journalist about his efforts to radicalize his high
    school
    students. He even wore a beard and cap like Lenin did in his
    (Lenin's)
    public appearances back in the day. Here him in his own words, as
    captured by the journalist:


    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-pro-antifa-high-
    school- teacher-in-california-admits-communist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I'm in favor of forcing these little collectivist apparatchiks to
    wear body
    cams while on the clock, just like police do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    They're working for us. We should know what goes on in those
    classrooms. What
    they're being taught, what 'decorations' adorn the classroom
    walls, what
    political opinions the teacher is bringing into the classroom,
    what things
    they're purposely trying to hide from the parents, how much of
    their sex lives
    they feel compelled to share with the students, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    If body cams are good enough for the cops, they should be good
    enough for
    teachers, also. Just like with the police, if they're doing their
    jobs
    properly, they have nothing to fear.


    Ever since I heard about Gipe and some of the other radicals we
    hear about, it has seemed to me that the classroom itself - EVERY
    classroom - should be visible and audible to AT LEAST the parents
    of every child in the room and arguably all of the people who fund
    that school. The audio and video should be RECORDED so that parents
    and other stakeholders can review it after the fact since most of
    them will be busy doing other things during class. ALL teachers
    need to be accountable for what they teach. The teaching materials
    - textbooks, videos, handouts, reading lists - also need to be
    accessible to the same people.

    Then it will be possible to truly know what kind of propaganda and
    nonsense the teachers are indoctrinated the students with. As a
    side benefit, it will be a lot easier to determine which students
    are discipline problems so that they can be handled appropriately.
    Teachers have far too much trust in the current system: everyone
    seems to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what,
    particularly their unions, administrators, fellow teachers and
    school boards. I think students are often persuaded to lie to
    others, including their parents, about what happens in the
    classroom to cover up the teachers' indoctrination efforts.

    Once we see and hear exactly what happens in the classrooms, we'll
    be better able to understand what reforms are necessary to end the
    rot.

    The purpose of public education isn't tailored indoctrination, but
    the promulgation of a level of knowledge basic to a society.  In
    theory -- and usually in practice -- teachers do that better than
    parents.


    You forgot to put that "in theory" at the start of your FIRST
    sentence too.

    I think there's been ample evidence now to the effect that teachers
    ARE indoctrinating kids into nonsense like the umpteen-gender
    universe, the nobility of Hamas, the idea that they can live - and be
    taught - as animals, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

    The time has come that teachers are MONITORED with video and audio.
    Those who are doing their jobs properly have nothing to fear. Those
    that are raising radical ideologues should lose their jobs. >>>>>>>>>>
    Let me guess:  You'd happily replace a human teacher with ChatGPT...

    Why on earth would I want to do that?

    Because it's the best chance of a curriculum free of pesky "flaws".

    > And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers
    SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and
    they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much. >>>
    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with
    increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the
    same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho.

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject personal political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's sexuality and they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon Apr 21 20:54:46 2025
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 1:33:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:

    And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>>>>>>> teachers SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity >>>>>>> and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much.

    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with
    increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the
    same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho.

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject
    personal
    political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's sexuality and >> they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this:

    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 21 17:12:39 2025
    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 1:33:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:

    And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>>>>>>>> teachers SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors.

    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much. >>>>>
    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with
    increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the >>>> same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho.

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject
    personal
    political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's sexuality and >>> they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this:

    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon Apr 21 23:13:31 2025
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 1:33:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/21/2025 4:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:

    And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>>>>>>>>> teachers SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors. >>>>>>>>>
    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much. >>>>>>
    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with
    increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the >>>>> same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho.

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject >>>> personal
    political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's sexuality and
    they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this:

    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time...

    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster... which you conveniently missed, but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code for the kids. There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one as well.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 21 22:33:39 2025
    On 4/21/2025 7:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 1:33:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/21/2025 4:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:

    And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why >>>>>>>>>>>> teachers SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video?

    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors. >>>>>>>>>>
    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much. >>>>>>>
    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with >>>>>> increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the
    same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho. >>>>>
    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject >>>>> personal
    political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's sexuality and
    they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this:

    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time...

    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster... which
    you conveniently missed,

    How could I miss them? They've been a running theme...


    but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code
    for the kids. There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one as
    well.

    Well, I had to go back and check to see what outrageous garb she's
    sporting ...and I conclude you must be talking about her hair and ring?
    If so, I can safely say our concerns there are miles apart. (Fwiw, *I* personally deplore both aesthetically, but so what?)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Apr 22 02:47:06 2025
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 7:33:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 7:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 1:33:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:

    And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors. >>>>>>>>>>>
    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much.

    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with >>>>>>> increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the
    same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho. >>>>>>
    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject
    personal
    political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's
    sexuality and
    they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this:

    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time...

    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster...
    which
    you conveniently missed,

    How could I miss them? They've been a running theme...

    Which should tell you something about what's going on in today's public schools.

    Hardly the solitary outliers they're claimed to be, even you admit it's a running theme among the modern cadre of teachers.

    but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code
    for the kids. There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one >> as
    well.

    Well, I had to go back and check to see what outrageous garb she's
    sporting ...and I conclude you must be talking about her hair and ring?
    If so, I can safely say our concerns there are miles apart. (Fwiw, *I* personally deplore both aesthetically, but so what?)

    I could have said the same about my school's ban on heavy metal t-shirts-- so what?

    It was, nevertheless, the standard of the day and we had to abide by it. I see nothing wrong with requiring teachers to present themselves in a professional manner. No visible tattoos, no nose rings, no non-natural hair color, etc.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 12:41:53 2025
    On 4/21/2025 10:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 7:33:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 7:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 1:33:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 12:45:13 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 1:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54:43 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 8:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 4:50:30 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/20/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 20, 2025 at 1:33:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/20/2025 3:38 PM, Rhino wrote:

    And while you're figuring that out, tell me one good reason why
    teachers SHOULDN'T be monitored by audio and video? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Have you ever attempted a difficult task before a thousand inspectors?

    The police have an even more difficult task than public school teachers
    and they're expected to do it before a thousand inspectors. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    More difficult, perhaps, but less subtle and reliant on the spontaneity
    and empathy that makes a good teacher.

    So?

    Good teachers are creative and free to improvise. Cops, not so much.

    What does that have to do with cameras?

    When the camera's on, a cop will presumably conduct himself with >>>>>>>> increased attention to strictly prescribed cautious behavior. Not the
    same sort of burden we'd like to see teachers carrying. Imnsho. >>>>>>>
    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject
    personal
    political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's >>>>>>> sexuality and
    they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this: >>>>>
    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time...

    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster... >>> which
    you conveniently missed,

    How could I miss them? They've been a running theme...

    Which should tell you something about what's going on in today's public schools.

    It tells me something about what's going on in today's outrage-seeking.


    Hardly the solitary outliers they're claimed to be, even you admit it's a running theme among the modern cadre of teachers.

    I might worry when these flags displace the American one.


    but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code
    for the kids. There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one
    as
    well.

    Well, I had to go back and check to see what outrageous garb she's
    sporting ...and I conclude you must be talking about her hair and ring?
    If so, I can safely say our concerns there are miles apart. (Fwiw, *I*
    personally deplore both aesthetically, but so what?)

    I could have said the same about my school's ban on heavy metal t-shirts-- so what? >
    It was, nevertheless, the standard of the day and we had to abide by it. I see
    nothing wrong with requiring teachers to present themselves in a professional manner. No visible tattoos, no nose rings, no non-natural hair color, etc.

    "Non-natural hair color"... that'd be a fun line to try to draw.

    I'd be fine with disallowing things that clearly hinder efforts to
    educate. "Professional manner", afaics, ranks low there.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Apr 22 17:16:07 2025
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 9:41:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 10:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 7:33:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/21/2025 7:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject >>>>>>>> personal political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's >>>>>>>> sexuality and they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this:

    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time...

    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster... >>>> which you conveniently missed,

    How could I miss them? They've been a running theme...

    Which should tell you something about what's going on in today's public
    schools.

    It tells me something about what's going on in today's outrage-seeking.

    Wherein moviePig implies classrooms adorned with sex flags, Hamas symbology, and communist propaganda are not valid cause for concern.

    Betcha if a teacher came to school everyday wearing a red MAGA hat, had an ICE flag hanging front and center on the wall, and constantly extolled the virtues of conservatism and the evils of the Left, moviePig would be singing a different tune.

    Hardly the solitary outliers they're claimed to be, even you admit it's a >> running theme among the modern cadre of teachers.

    I might worry when these flags displace the American one.

    You mean like in the example I cited earlier in the thread which seemed to
    give you no concern?

    An L.A. public school classroom had the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, the flag of the Password People, and "Fuck the
    Police" posters prominently displayed, while the American flag was dumped haphazardly on some furniture in the corner.

    This didn't draw any "worry" from moviePig. It merely prompted a sarcastic question as to whether I was worried that Russians had infiltrated the school and were orchestrating an uprising, implying the whole thing was much ado
    about nothing.

    but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code for the kids.
    There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one
    as well.

    Well, I had to go back and check to see what outrageous garb she's
    sporting ...and I conclude you must be talking about her hair and ring? >>> If so, I can safely say our concerns there are miles apart. (Fwiw, *I* >>> personally deplore both aesthetically, but so what?)

    I could have said the same about my school's ban on heavy metal t-shirts-- >> so
    what?
    It was, nevertheless, the standard of the day and we had to abide by it. I >> see
    nothing wrong with requiring teachers to present themselves in a
    professional
    manner. No visible tattoos, no nose rings, no non-natural hair color, etc.

    "Non-natural hair color"... that'd be a fun line to try to draw.

    That line has been drawn for decades with the students. I see no problem with applying the same standard to teachers.

    Basically, you should look like you're working in a bank. If you want to let your freak flag fly, do it on your own time.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 15:03:31 2025
    On 4/22/2025 1:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 9:41:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 10:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 7:33:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/21/2025 7:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject >>>>>>>>> personal political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's >>>>>>>>> sexuality and they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this: >>>>>>>
    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time...

    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster... >>>>> which you conveniently missed,

    How could I miss them? They've been a running theme...

    Which should tell you something about what's going on in today's public >>> schools.

    It tells me something about what's going on in today's outrage-seeking.

    Wherein moviePig implies classrooms adorned with sex flags, Hamas symbology, and communist propaganda are not valid cause for concern.

    Betcha if a teacher came to school everyday wearing a red MAGA hat, had an ICE
    flag hanging front and center on the wall, and constantly extolled the virtues
    of conservatism and the evils of the Left, moviePig would be singing a different tune.

    Hardly the solitary outliers they're claimed to be, even you admit it's a >>> running theme among the modern cadre of teachers.

    I might worry when these flags displace the American one.

    You mean like in the example I cited earlier in the thread which seemed to give you no concern?

    An L.A. public school classroom had the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, the flag
    of the Password People, and "Fuck the
    Police" posters prominently displayed, while the American flag was dumped haphazardly on some furniture in the corner.

    This didn't draw any "worry" from moviePig. It merely prompted a sarcastic question as to whether I was worried that Russians had infiltrated the school and were orchestrating an uprising, implying the whole thing was much ado about nothing.

    but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code for the kids.
    There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one
    as well.

    Well, I had to go back and check to see what outrageous garb she's
    sporting ...and I conclude you must be talking about her hair and ring? >>>> If so, I can safely say our concerns there are miles apart. (Fwiw, *I* >>>> personally deplore both aesthetically, but so what?)

    I could have said the same about my school's ban on heavy metal t-shirts--
    so
    what?
    It was, nevertheless, the standard of the day and we had to abide by it. I
    see
    nothing wrong with requiring teachers to present themselves in a
    professional
    manner. No visible tattoos, no nose rings, no non-natural hair color, etc.

    "Non-natural hair color"... that'd be a fun line to try to draw.

    That line has been drawn for decades with the students. I see no problem with applying the same standard to teachers.

    Basically, you should look like you're working in a bank. If you want to let your freak flag fly, do it on your own time.

    I think looking like you're working in a bank fosters *teaching* like
    you're working in a bank. I'm guessing you think that's a good thing...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Tue Apr 22 19:07:55 2025
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 12:03:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/22/2025 1:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 9:41:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/21/2025 10:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 7:33:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 7:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject
    personal political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's
    sexuality and they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely.

    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this: >>>>>>>>
    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time... >>>>>>
    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster...
    which you conveniently missed,

    How could I miss them? They've been a running theme...

    Which should tell you something about what's going on in today's public >>>> schools.

    It tells me something about what's going on in today's outrage-seeking.

    Wherein moviePig implies classrooms adorned with sex flags, Hamas symbology,
    and communist propaganda are not valid cause for concern.

    Betcha if a teacher came to school everyday wearing a red MAGA hat, had an >> ICE
    flag hanging front and center on the wall, and constantly extolled the
    virtues
    of conservatism and the evils of the Left, moviePig would be singing a
    different tune.

    Hardly the solitary outliers they're claimed to be, even you admit it's a
    running theme among the modern cadre of teachers.

    I might worry when these flags displace the American one.

    You mean like in the example I cited earlier in the thread which seemed to >> give you no concern?

    An L.A. public school classroom had the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, the >> flag
    of the Password People, and "Fuck the
    Police" posters prominently displayed, while the American flag was dumped >> haphazardly on some furniture in the corner.

    This didn't draw any "worry" from moviePig. It merely prompted a sarcastic >> question as to whether I was worried that Russians had infiltrated the
    school
    and were orchestrating an uprising, implying the whole thing was much ado >> about nothing.

    but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code for the kids. >>>>>> There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one
    as well.

    Well, I had to go back and check to see what outrageous garb she's >>>>> sporting ...and I conclude you must be talking about her hair and ring?
    If so, I can safely say our concerns there are miles apart. (Fwiw, *I*
    personally deplore both aesthetically, but so what?)

    I could have said the same about my school's ban on heavy metal t-shirts--
    so
    what?
    It was, nevertheless, the standard of the day and we had to abide by it. I
    see
    nothing wrong with requiring teachers to present themselves in a
    professional
    manner. No visible tattoos, no nose rings, no non-natural hair color, etc.

    "Non-natural hair color"... that'd be a fun line to try to draw.

    That line has been drawn for decades with the students. I see no problem
    with
    applying the same standard to teachers.

    Basically, you should look like you're working in a bank. If you want to let
    your freak flag fly, do it on your own time.

    I think looking like you're working in a bank fosters *teaching* like
    you're working in a bank.

    Better than teaching like you're a communist pansexual non-binary otherkin.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 22 16:13:03 2025
    On 4/22/2025 3:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 12:03:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/22/2025 1:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 22, 2025 at 9:41:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/21/2025 10:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 7:33:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 7:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 21, 2025 at 2:12:39 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/21/2025 4:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    All a teacher has to do is stick to the curriculum and not interject
    personal political opinions or give or elicit commentary on anyone's
    sexuality and they'll be fine.

    Yes, an automaton like ChatGPT should fit the bill nicely. >>>>>>>>>
    One doesn't have to be an automaton. One only has to not be this: >>>>>>>>>
    https://ibb.co/zVrFVctS

    Well, of course. Purple hair and a nose ring deserve hard time... >>>>>>>
    And the militant gay flag with the hammer & sickle and the BLM poster...
    which you conveniently missed,

    How could I miss them? They've been a running theme...

    Which should tell you something about what's going on in today's public
    schools.

    It tells me something about what's going on in today's outrage-seeking. >>>
    Wherein moviePig implies classrooms adorned with sex flags, Hamas symbology,
    and communist propaganda are not valid cause for concern.

    Betcha if a teacher came to school everyday wearing a red MAGA hat, had an
    ICE
    flag hanging front and center on the wall, and constantly extolled the >>> virtues
    of conservatism and the evils of the Left, moviePig would be singing a >>> different tune.

    Hardly the solitary outliers they're claimed to be, even you admit it's a
    running theme among the modern cadre of teachers.

    I might worry when these flags displace the American one.

    You mean like in the example I cited earlier in the thread which seemed to
    give you no concern?

    An L.A. public school classroom had the BLM flag, the Palestine flag, the >>> flag
    of the Password People, and "Fuck the
    Police" posters prominently displayed, while the American flag was dumped >>> haphazardly on some furniture in the corner.

    This didn't draw any "worry" from moviePig. It merely prompted a sarcastic
    question as to whether I was worried that Russians had infiltrated the >>> school
    and were orchestrating an uprising, implying the whole thing was much ado >>> about nothing.

    but yes, when I was a kid the school had a dress code for the kids. >>>>>>> There's no reason the teachers shouldn't have to abide by one
    as well.

    Well, I had to go back and check to see what outrageous garb she's >>>>>> sporting ...and I conclude you must be talking about her hair and ring?
    If so, I can safely say our concerns there are miles apart. (Fwiw, *I*
    personally deplore both aesthetically, but so what?)

    I could have said the same about my school's ban on heavy metal t-shirts--
    so
    what?
    It was, nevertheless, the standard of the day and we had to abide by it. I
    see
    nothing wrong with requiring teachers to present themselves in a >>>>> professional
    manner. No visible tattoos, no nose rings, no non-natural hair color, etc.

    "Non-natural hair color"... that'd be a fun line to try to draw.

    That line has been drawn for decades with the students. I see no problem >>> with
    applying the same standard to teachers.

    Basically, you should look like you're working in a bank. If you want to let
    your freak flag fly, do it on your own time.

    I think looking like you're working in a bank fosters *teaching* like
    you're working in a bank.

    Better than teaching like you're a communist pansexual non-binary otherkin.

    Given that I, too, have some communication with my kid, I disagree.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Fri May 9 01:14:31 2025
    On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 17:02:35 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Actors do it all of the time in front of MILLIONS of inspectors (aka
    audience members). Teachers are already expected to perform in front of
    a room full of students. (Back in the day, they used to have to teach in >front of inspectors on occasion too but I'm not sure if that still
    happens). If they're doing their jobs honestly, they have nothing to
    fear except perhaps a bit of stage fright.

    Years ago >I< was a teacher - and in terms of teaching skills I was
    rather good if I don't say so myself. What made me exit was realizing
    I was totally hopeless with the clerical skills associated with the
    position - I was a first rate tutor but not so hot on the filings and
    paperwork associated with the job. So I did the right thing, hung on
    to the end of the teaching year and got myself off to grad school in a
    joint computer / business program.

    Given I met my future wife there (NOT I might add as a student but
    definitely on campus) I don't really have anything to complain about -
    3 good kids now adults and a 3 year old granddaughter whose birthday
    was today but isn't having her party till Saturday since Mom and Dad
    are both working.

    Point is we all walk through a maze of doors and some make the right
    turns the first time, most don't but most of us manage to make things
    work out reasonably well.

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