• [OT] Yet another exercise in "woke"/DEI pandering

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 16:34:14 2025
    Toronto mayor Olivia Chow is encouraging the idea of adding an
    indigenous (i.e. Indian or Inuit (formerly Eskimo)) councillor to the
    Toronto City Council. This individual would be *appointed*, not elected,
    but still have full voting rights.

    Brian Lilley points out why this is objectionable just in case it isn't obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMieSpx-gU [3 minutes]

    Some of the comments are fun. A few of them propose Buffy Ste. Marie to
    fill the post; she's only recently admitted that she was born in the US
    after decades of being honoured as a Canadian aboriginal performer; she
    was "adopted" by a Cree tribe in Saskatchewan as an adult and used that
    to obtain various awards and honours in this country.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Mar 17 21:57:07 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Toronto mayor Olivia Chow is encouraging the idea of adding an
    indigenous (i.e. Indian or Inuit (formerly Eskimo)) councillor to the
    Toronto City Council. This individual would be *appointed*, not elected,
    but still have full voting rights.

    Brian Lilley points out why this is objectionable just in case it isn't >obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMieSpx-gU [3 minutes]

    Some of the comments are fun. A few of them propose Buffy Ste. Marie to
    fill the post; she's only recently admitted that she was born in the US
    after decades of being honoured as a Canadian aboriginal performer; she
    was "adopted" by a Cree tribe in Saskatchewan as an adult and used that
    to obtain various awards and honours in this country.

    How is that not a pr0n star name?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 23:59:22 2025
    On Mar 17, 2025 at 1:34:14 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Toronto mayor Olivia Chow is encouraging the idea of adding an
    indigenous (i.e. Indian or Inuit (formerly Eskimo)) councillor to the
    Toronto City Council. This individual would be *appointed*, not elected,
    but still have full voting rights.

    Brian Lilley points out why this is objectionable just in case it isn't obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMieSpx-gU [3 minutes]

    Some of the comments are fun. A few of them propose Buffy Ste. Marie to
    fill the post; she's only recently admitted that she was born in the US
    after decades of being honoured as a Canadian aboriginal performer; she
    was "adopted" by a Cree tribe in Saskatchewan as an adult and used that
    to obtain various awards and honours in this country.

    This happens in Hawaii, too, and I've never been able to figure out how it has survived given how unconstitutional it is.

    Hawaii has seats in the state legislature that are "native only". If you're
    not a Hawaiian native with proof of your pedigree, you literally can't run for office to be elected to those seats.

    Imagine if Colorado or Wisconsin had several seats in the state legislature reserved for white candidates only. That wouldn't be allowed to stand for a millisecond. Yet Hawaii gets away with it. I can only imagine no one has ever challenged it because if anyone *had* challenged it, there's no way any court could allow it given the Constitution and federal statutes and civil rights jurisprudence against it.

    The only other way I can see this being allowed is under the moviePig 14.5 Amendment-- otherwise known as the Seems To Amendment.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon Mar 17 21:55:46 2025
    On 2025-03-17 5:57 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Toronto mayor Olivia Chow is encouraging the idea of adding an
    indigenous (i.e. Indian or Inuit (formerly Eskimo)) councillor to the
    Toronto City Council. This individual would be *appointed*, not elected,
    but still have full voting rights.

    Brian Lilley points out why this is objectionable just in case it isn't
    obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMieSpx-gU [3 minutes]

    Some of the comments are fun. A few of them propose Buffy Ste. Marie to
    fill the post; she's only recently admitted that she was born in the US
    after decades of being honoured as a Canadian aboriginal performer; she
    was "adopted" by a Cree tribe in Saskatchewan as an adult and used that
    to obtain various awards and honours in this country.

    How is that not a pr0n star name?

    Are you familiar with her? Not in the biblical sense, but the
    entertainment sense ;-) She's a singer/songwriter dating back to the
    folkie era. I have no idea how well known she is in the US although she shouldn't be completely unknown to you given that some of her songs have
    been successful, although most of them became hits for other people
    doing them as covers. I'm personally not a fan of her vocal style.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Sainte-Marie

    Despite claiming for decades that she was a Cree from Saskatchewan, she
    was actually born in Massachusetts to an Italian father and a mother of
    English heritage. Her surname at birth was Santamaria but due to
    anti-Italian sentiment at the time, the family changed it to the French-sounding Sainte-Marie.

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    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 22:00:05 2025
    On 2025-03-17 7:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 17, 2025 at 1:34:14 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Toronto mayor Olivia Chow is encouraging the idea of adding an
    indigenous (i.e. Indian or Inuit (formerly Eskimo)) councillor to the
    Toronto City Council. This individual would be *appointed*, not elected,
    but still have full voting rights.

    Brian Lilley points out why this is objectionable just in case it isn't
    obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMieSpx-gU [3 minutes]

    Some of the comments are fun. A few of them propose Buffy Ste. Marie to
    fill the post; she's only recently admitted that she was born in the US
    after decades of being honoured as a Canadian aboriginal performer; she
    was "adopted" by a Cree tribe in Saskatchewan as an adult and used that
    to obtain various awards and honours in this country.

    This happens in Hawaii, too, and I've never been able to figure out how it has
    survived given how unconstitutional it is.

    Hawaii has seats in the state legislature that are "native only". If you're not a Hawaiian native with proof of your pedigree, you literally can't run for
    office to be elected to those seats.

    Imagine if Colorado or Wisconsin had several seats in the state legislature reserved for white candidates only. That wouldn't be allowed to stand for a millisecond. Yet Hawaii gets away with it. I can only imagine no one has ever challenged it because if anyone *had* challenged it, there's no way any court could allow it given the Constitution and federal statutes and civil rights jurisprudence against it.

    It sounds like one of those situations that no one challenges for fear
    of being called "racist". Somebody really ought to challenge that in
    court, regardless of accusations of racism. It's probably going to be
    easier in the era of Trump than it's ever been.

    The only other way I can see this being allowed is under the moviePig 14.5 Amendment-- otherwise known as the Seems To Amendment.



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    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 22:42:27 2025
    On 3/17/2025 7:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Mar 17, 2025 at 1:34:14 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Toronto mayor Olivia Chow is encouraging the idea of adding an
    indigenous (i.e. Indian or Inuit (formerly Eskimo)) councillor to the
    Toronto City Council. This individual would be *appointed*, not elected,
    but still have full voting rights.

    Brian Lilley points out why this is objectionable just in case it isn't
    obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMieSpx-gU [3 minutes]

    Some of the comments are fun. A few of them propose Buffy Ste. Marie to
    fill the post; she's only recently admitted that she was born in the US
    after decades of being honoured as a Canadian aboriginal performer; she
    was "adopted" by a Cree tribe in Saskatchewan as an adult and used that
    to obtain various awards and honours in this country.

    This happens in Hawaii, too, and I've never been able to figure out how it has
    survived given how unconstitutional it is.

    Hawaii has seats in the state legislature that are "native only". If you're not a Hawaiian native with proof of your pedigree, you literally can't run for
    office to be elected to those seats.

    Imagine if Colorado or Wisconsin had several seats in the state legislature reserved for white candidates only. That wouldn't be allowed to stand for a millisecond. Yet Hawaii gets away with it. I can only imagine no one has ever challenged it because if anyone *had* challenged it, there's no way any court could allow it given the Constitution and federal statutes and civil rights jurisprudence against it.

    The only other way I can see this being allowed is under the moviePig 14.5 Amendment-- otherwise known as the Seems To Amendment.

    You -- seem to -- know more about the Amendment than moviePig does.
    Please do elaborate...

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon Mar 17 23:07:36 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-03-17 5:57 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Toronto mayor Olivia Chow is encouraging the idea of adding an
    indigenous (i.e. Indian or Inuit (formerly Eskimo)) councillor to the
    Toronto City Council. This individual would be *appointed*, not elected, >>> but still have full voting rights.

    Brian Lilley points out why this is objectionable just in case it isn't
    obvious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMieSpx-gU [3 minutes]

    Some of the comments are fun. A few of them propose Buffy Ste. Marie to
    fill the post; she's only recently admitted that she was born in the US
    after decades of being honoured as a Canadian aboriginal performer; she
    was "adopted" by a Cree tribe in Saskatchewan as an adult and used that
    to obtain various awards and honours in this country.

    How is that not a pr0n star name?

    Are you familiar with her? Not in the biblical sense, but the
    entertainment sense ;-) She's a singer/songwriter dating back to the
    folkie era. I have no idea how well known she is in the US

    Quite well. She was known 50 years ago when I was in college and high
    school. A lot of my peers got her album because of the nipple slip.

    https://recordswap.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/buffy-sainte-marie-buffy.jpg?w=640

    although she
    shouldn't be completely unknown to you given that some of her songs have
    been successful, although most of them became hits for other people
    doing them as covers. I'm personally not a fan of her vocal style.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Sainte-Marie

    Despite claiming for decades that she was a Cree from Saskatchewan, she
    was actually born in Massachusetts to an Italian father and a mother of English heritage.

    Actually, both parents were born here of European heritage.

    Her surname at birth was Santamaria but due to
    anti-Italian sentiment at the time, the family changed it to the French-sounding Sainte-Marie.


    We knew this 60 years ago when her family outed her. She continues to lie
    about it claiming that her birth parents actually adopted her even though
    DNA tests show that her son is related to her “adopted“ sister.

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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