• Normalizing hatred

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 18 06:38:23 2025
    An Egyptian woman who grew up in Gaza explains how children are taught.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ja85V7Ovw

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue Mar 18 11:15:20 2025
    On 2025-03-18 2:38 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    An Egyptian woman who grew up in Gaza explains how children are taught.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ja85V7Ovw

    Good find, Adam! She knocked it out of the park so hard that it finally
    landed two towns over!

    If more people heard her message, maybe the truth would finally get a
    chance to make an impression on all the anti-semites/anti-Zionist/"progressives". Maybe the Palestinians
    themselves would even be able to shake themselves free of their own
    rabid hatred....

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    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Mar 18 16:22:43 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-03-18 2:38 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    An Egyptian woman who grew up in Gaza explains how children are taught.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ja85V7Ovw

    Good find, Adam! She knocked it out of the park so hard that it finally >landed two towns over!

    I'd still like to hear a more neutral analysis.

    I'm always concerned about my own confirmation bias.

    A friend tells me that there is historical evidence of Nazis sharing
    successful methods of radicalizing the population with Arabs, which is
    what led to all this crap in the 1940s that continues to this day.

    If more people heard her message, maybe the truth would finally get a
    chance to make an impression on all the >anti-semites/anti-Zionist/"progressives". Maybe the Palestinians
    themselves would even be able to shake themselves free of their own
    rabid hatred....

    I guess. I doubt it makes a damn bit of difference what idiots in other countries believe, and I don't see how a liberal education system could
    be imposed from outside. Best we can hope for is that UNRWA no longer
    runs radicalization, I mean education for Palestinian children.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue Mar 18 13:37:39 2025
    On 2025-03-18 12:22 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-03-18 2:38 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    An Egyptian woman who grew up in Gaza explains how children are taught.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ja85V7Ovw

    Good find, Adam! She knocked it out of the park so hard that it finally
    landed two towns over!

    I'd still like to hear a more neutral analysis.

    I'm always concerned about my own confirmation bias.

    That's a wise concern and we all need to watch out for that but I'm
    trying to imagine how you could find a more neutral analysis.

    ANYBODY from the Middle East of any faith who expresses an opinion can
    be dismissed as being biased for or against the other side. Anybody NOT
    from the region can be dismissed as not having intimate knowledge of
    day-to-day life there and therefore lacking all the insight that comes
    from intimate familiarity.

    A friend tells me that there is historical evidence of Nazis sharing successful methods of radicalizing the population with Arabs, which is
    what led to all this crap in the 1940s that continues to this day.

    I know the Nazis had a relationship with the Grand Mufti at the time and
    that this relationship resulted in some Arabs taking the German side in
    the war but I don't know any more than that. It would be interesting to
    know how that relationship progressed.

    If more people heard her message, maybe the truth would finally get a
    chance to make an impression on all the
    anti-semites/anti-Zionist/"progressives". Maybe the Palestinians
    themselves would even be able to shake themselves free of their own
    rabid hatred....

    I guess. I doubt it makes a damn bit of difference what idiots in other countries believe, and I don't see how a liberal education system could
    be imposed from outside. Best we can hope for is that UNRWA no longer
    runs radicalization, I mean education for Palestinian children.

    Yes, the secret is the children. Many ideologies know this at heart,
    whether they are the Jesuits, the Communists, the Nazis: "give me the
    child and I'll give you the man", to use the Jesuit formulation.

    If we can impose a genuinely hate-free education system on them, there
    is at least a chance that future generations will grow up with a
    possibility of being compassionate people instead of mere hate-machines.
    Of course imposing such a school system is inevitably going to face
    strong resistance: it would clearly be much better if the Palestinians
    CHOSE to have such a system themselves but they seem too caught up in
    their own hate to make that choice so an imposed system is likely the
    best we can hope for.

    Even then, it would be far from foolproof as a solution. However decent
    the school system and its values, children are inevitably going to be influenced by the adults around them who will have grown up in the UNRWA schools. Those adults will surely perpetuate their own hate on the young
    at home, in the mosques, and everywhere else.

    But there is hope. After all, the Germans are absolutely NOT Nazis any
    more and haven't been in a long time, even if some of the people raised
    as Nazis are still among us: the Nazis were sidelined and other views
    became the mainstream. Ditto for Japan which clearly was changed from
    the course they were on in WW2. We need to learn from what the Allies
    did after WW2 in Japan and Germany to change the attitudes of the Axis countries. If we can apply those lessons again, maybe the Palestinians
    can be reformed....


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Rhino on Tue Mar 18 18:21:46 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    . . .

    But there is hope. After all, the Germans are absolutely NOT Nazis any
    more and haven't been in a long time, even if some of the people raised
    as Nazis are still among us: the Nazis were sidelined and other views
    became the mainstream. Ditto for Japan which clearly was changed from
    the course they were on in WW2. We need to learn from what the Allies
    did after WW2 in Japan and Germany to change the attitudes of the Axis >countries. If we can apply those lessons again, maybe the Palestinians
    can be reformed....

    Despite centuries of hatred among Europeans and murderous attitudes
    toward Jews, Germany was part of the West.

    Japan modernized itself by adopting Western values, despite the huge
    setback that was the military attempt to take over the Pacific rim.

    The Arabs helped spread Hellenic civilization and then brought back some ancient knowledge that countered Europe's Dark Ages. The Arabs of
    centuries past were far more Westernized than they are today.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue Mar 18 14:51:47 2025
    On 2025-03-18 2:21 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    . . .

    But there is hope. After all, the Germans are absolutely NOT Nazis any
    more and haven't been in a long time, even if some of the people raised
    as Nazis are still among us: the Nazis were sidelined and other views
    became the mainstream. Ditto for Japan which clearly was changed from
    the course they were on in WW2. We need to learn from what the Allies
    did after WW2 in Japan and Germany to change the attitudes of the Axis
    countries. If we can apply those lessons again, maybe the Palestinians
    can be reformed....

    Despite centuries of hatred among Europeans and murderous attitudes
    toward Jews, Germany was part of the West.

    Japan modernized itself by adopting Western values, despite the huge
    setback that was the military attempt to take over the Pacific rim.

    The Arabs helped spread Hellenic civilization and then brought back some ancient knowledge that countered Europe's Dark Ages. The Arabs of
    centuries past were far more Westernized than they are today.

    Exactly. As intractable as some of our problems seem, we always have to remember that the world wasn't always this way and will certainly not
    stay the way it is. Things change, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, sometimes subtly, sometimes dramatically. (As recently as January 1989,
    the East German leader declared that the Berlin Wall would be standing
    for many more years to come; most Germans - East and West - were very
    skeptical about it disappearing any time soon. But in November that same
    year, it was being dismantled.) We *could* find that things change in a favourable way fairly suddenly. Or they could go even further to shit.

    I never would have imagined the Abraham Accords yet they happened and
    other countries, especially Saudi Arabia, seem to be poised to join it.
    If the woman in the video was right and the whole Palestinian situation
    is driven by all the other Arabs who want the Palestinians constantly
    trying to sap Israel, it seems reasonable to me that if the other Arabs
    are having a fundamental change of approach and are now open to living
    with Israel rather than destroying it - as the Abraham Accords suggest -
    then they might very well dial back the whole Palestinian cause. (I
    don't expect they will drop it entirely, at least in public, because I
    imagine the average Achmed in the street may insist on keeping up the
    animosity to Israel because that's all he's ever known but the leaders
    of the Arab countries may have decided its in their best interests to
    accept Israel.) That could finally be the deal-changer that we need.

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    Rhino

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  • From Mike Flannigan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 18 23:59:17 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    An Egyptian woman who grew up in Gaza explains how children are taught.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ja85V7Ovw


    I just wish Trump didn't love 'em so much. It's downright disgusting and antisemitic.

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sat Mar 22 19:53:11 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:38:23 -0700, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    An Egyptian woman who grew up in Gaza explains how children are taught.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ja85V7Ovw

    What's the story, was this intended as a beard to signal
    an impending Jewish attack on Gaza intended to kill 400?

    And you forgot to state what the video is titled as:

    Egyptian Woman Just Ended Palestine FOREVER!

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