Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty because we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

I don’t want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do think we should
remove that dumb poem about the ‘huddled masses’ that leftists love to cite when arguing that America, alone among nations, should have no borders, and send that over to the Caliphate of France. They can attach it to the Eiffel Tower or something. America is not an international homeless shelter.

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On 2025-03-18 5:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty because
we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

I don’t want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do think we should
remove that dumb poem about the ‘huddled masses’ that leftists love to cite
when arguing that America, alone among nations, should have no borders, and send that over to the Caliphate of France. They can attach it to the Eiffel Tower or something. America is not an international homeless shelter.

Even Emma Lazarus' Wikipedia article describes her as an "activist", a
term surely unknown in her own time, but presumably indicating their
approval of her politics, even though she was a Jew from a wealthy New
York family. This would make the Wikipedia editors enthusiastic about a capitalist and a Jew, which is a bit unusual these days....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus

As for the statue itself, it would be hilarious to send the French a
slightly altered Statue of Liberty, one with Liberty holding a hand up
instead of a torch, with the middle finger of that hand pointed skyward.
Of course the cost of doing that would be very substantial so I propose
sending them a photo of the Statue of Liberty, photoshopped in the
manner I suggested.

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On 3/18/2025 7:05 PM, Rhino wrote:

On 2025-03-18 5:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty
because
we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value
liberty.
Or something. So the week is starting off great.

I don’t want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do think
we should
remove that dumb poem about the ‘huddled masses’ that leftists love to >> cite
when arguing that America, alone among nations, should have no
borders, and
send that over to the Caliphate of France. They can attach it to the
Eiffel
Tower or something. America is not an international homeless shelter.

Even Emma Lazarus' Wikipedia article describes her as an "activist", a
term surely unknown in her own time, but presumably indicating their
approval of her politics, even though she was a Jew from a wealthy New
York family. This would make the Wikipedia editors enthusiastic about a capitalist and a Jew, which is a bit unusual these days....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus

As for the statue itself, it would be hilarious to send the French a
slightly altered Statue of Liberty, one with Liberty holding a hand up instead of a torch, with the middle finger of that hand pointed skyward.
Of course the cost of doing that would be very substantial so I propose sending them a photo of the Statue of Liberty, photoshopped in the
manner I suggested.

Umm... I think it was the poem itself, rather than the poet's
background, that captured our imagination and aspiration, even if on
some level we understood that the real world always has a say. Kind of
a shame to see it ridiculed.

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On 2025-03-18 23:05:45 +0000, Rhino said:

As for the statue itself, it would be hilarious to send the French a
slightly altered Statue of Liberty, one with Liberty holding a hand up instead of a torch, with the middle finger of that hand pointed skyward.

More apropos would be giving it back to them with another statue of
Trump grabbing her...

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty because >we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value liberty. >Or something. So the week is starting off great.

I don't want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do think we should >remove that dumb poem about the 'huddled masses' that leftists love to cite >when arguing that America, alone among nations, should have no borders, and >send that over to the Caliphate of France. They can attach it to the Eiffel >Tower or something. America is not an international homeless shelter.

Oddly, when America was open to immigrants from shithole countries, it
wasn't an international homeless shelter. People went right to work and
paid for their own housing out of their wages.

But there were no federal laws about who could be employed and who
couldn't, and there was no enumeration prerequisite for employment in
order to administer a federal welfare, er, pension scheme.

My grandfather (mother's father) and his younger brother were among the "huddled masses" along with a hell of a lot of other Jews, Slavs, and
others from eastern, central, and southern Europe. And because they left
the part of Poland that Russia had grabbed, that met both the descriptions
of leaving a "shithole country" and "yearning to breathe free".

They were 12 and 10 when they left; my grandfather would have been
conscripted into the Russian army had he not left. They were 14 and 12
by the time they made it to America having worked their way across
Europe, staying with relatives in England for a time, them crossing the Atlantic to get to Montreal then getting to Chicago.

I grew up in the suburbs and I don't see how I would have been tough
enough to do anything like that.

Your disagreements are with homelessness and with the French for being obnoxious and hypocritical, not with immigration.

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Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

BTR1701

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty >>because we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer >>value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

https://i.postimg.cc/CMjQKn4j/temp-Image-Slxeq-V.avif

Hehehe

I will object here. The commie French don't let Tunisians and Algerians
and Libyans (and Morrocans, if very many) live in Paris, per se. They
built special suburbs, highly segregated. There are some Arabs who
escaped housing segregation, er, socialism and are concentrated in a few
Paris neighborhoods but Paris is generally way too expensive for most immigrants to live.

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BTR1701

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty because
we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

https://i.postimg.cc/CMjQKn4j/temp-Image-Slxeq-V.avif

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On Mar 19, 2025 at 8:06:47 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 3/18/2025 7:05 PM, Rhino wrote:

On 2025-03-18 5:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty
because
we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value
liberty.
Or something. So the week is starting off great.

I don’t want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do think
we should
remove that dumb poem about the ‘huddled masses’ that leftists love to >>> cite
when arguing that America, alone among nations, should have no
borders, and
send that over to the Caliphate of France. They can attach it to the
Eiffel
Tower or something. America is not an international homeless shelter.

Even Emma Lazarus' Wikipedia article describes her as an "activist", a
term surely unknown in her own time, but presumably indicating their
approval of her politics, even though she was a Jew from a wealthy New
York family. This would make the Wikipedia editors enthusiastic about a
capitalist and a Jew, which is a bit unusual these days....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus

As for the statue itself, it would be hilarious to send the French a
slightly altered Statue of Liberty, one with Liberty holding a hand up
instead of a torch, with the middle finger of that hand pointed skyward.
Of course the cost of doing that would be very substantial so I propose
sending them a photo of the Statue of Liberty, photoshopped in the
manner I suggested.

Umm... I think it was the poem itself, rather than the poet's
background, that captured our imagination and aspiration, even if on
some level we understood that the real world always has a say. Kind of
a shame to see it ridiculed.

I think it's more of a shame to have seen it turned into official public
policy by the last administration. The nation is not run by sonnet.

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On Mar 19, 2025 at 9:38:23 AM PDT, "Ed Stasiak" <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

BTR1701

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty
because
we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value
liberty.
Or something. So the week is starting off great.

https://i.postimg.cc/CMjQKn4j/temp-Image-Slxeq-V.avif

LOL!

Although when they get their way, there won't be any more Quarter Pounders
with cheese in Paris, since the QP is not considered halal.

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Mar 19, 2025 9:38:23 AM PDT, Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid>:

BTR1701

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty >>>because we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer >>>value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

https://i.postimg.cc/CMjQKn4j/temp-Image-Slxeq-V.avif

LOL!

Although when they get their way, there won't be any more Quarter Pounders >with cheese in Paris, since the QP is not considered halal.

. . . which is the same as keeping Kosher. It's the combination of cheese
and meat at the same meal that is forbidden, not to mention that the cow
wasn't ritually slaughtered. They may be taught to despise Jews, but they
keep Kosher. A religious adherant may buy meat from a Kosher butcher,
which is fairly common in the United States.

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On 3/19/2025 1:10 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Mar 19, 2025 9:38:23 AM PDT, Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid>:

BTR1701

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty >>>> because we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer >>>> value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

Actually, it's not a demand. Just a suggestion since our country seems
not to be living up to what the statue represents.

https://i.postimg.cc/CMjQKn4j/temp-Image-Slxeq-V.avif

LOL!

Although when they get their way, there won't be any more Quarter Pounders >> with cheese in Paris, since the QP is not considered halal.

. . . which is the same as keeping Kosher. It's the combination of cheese
and meat at the same meal that is forbidden, not to mention that the cow wasn't ritually slaughtered. They may be taught to despise Jews, but they keep Kosher. A religious adherant may buy meat from a Kosher butcher,
which is fairly common in the United States.

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On 3/19/2025 3:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Mar 19, 2025 at 8:06:47 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 3/18/2025 7:05 PM, Rhino wrote:

On 2025-03-18 5:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty >>>> because
we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer value >>>> liberty.
Or something. So the week is starting off great.

I don’t want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do think >>>> we should
remove that dumb poem about the ‘huddled masses’ that leftists love to
cite
when arguing that America, alone among nations, should have no
borders, and
send that over to the Caliphate of France. They can attach it to the >>>> Eiffel
Tower or something. America is not an international homeless shelter. >>>>

Even Emma Lazarus' Wikipedia article describes her as an "activist", a >>> term surely unknown in her own time, but presumably indicating their
approval of her politics, even though she was a Jew from a wealthy New >>> York family. This would make the Wikipedia editors enthusiastic about a >>> capitalist and a Jew, which is a bit unusual these days....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Lazarus

As for the statue itself, it would be hilarious to send the French a
slightly altered Statue of Liberty, one with Liberty holding a hand up >>> instead of a torch, with the middle finger of that hand pointed skyward. >>> Of course the cost of doing that would be very substantial so I propose >>> sending them a photo of the Statue of Liberty, photoshopped in the
manner I suggested.

Umm... I think it was the poem itself, rather than the poet's
background, that captured our imagination and aspiration, even if on
some level we understood that the real world always has a say. Kind of
a shame to see it ridiculed.

I think it's more of a shame to have seen it turned into official public policy by the last administration. The nation is not run by sonnet.

Nevertheless, I'd rather it were run by somebody who's read one.

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On Mar 19, 2025 at 1:40:31 PM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:

On 3/19/2025 1:10 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Mar 19, 2025 9:38:23 AM PDT, Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid>:

BTR1701

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty >>>>> because we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer >>>>> value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

Actually, it's not a demand. Just a suggestion since our country seems
not to be living up to what the statue represents.

Except that's not true. The statue does not represent unrestricted and
unvetted wholesale mass migration-- to include hundreds of thousands of the world's worst criminals-- which is what we're putting a stop to.

https://i.postimg.cc/CMjQKn4j/temp-Image-Slxeq-V.avif

LOL!

Although when they get their way, there won't be any more Quarter Pounders >>> with cheese in Paris, since the QP is not considered halal.

. . . which is the same as keeping Kosher. It's the combination of cheese >> and meat at the same meal that is forbidden, not to mention that the cow
wasn't ritually slaughtered. They may be taught to despise Jews, but they >> keep Kosher. A religious adherant may buy meat from a Kosher butcher,
which is fairly common in the United States.

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On 2025-03-19 20:40:31 +0000, suzeeq said:

On 3/19/2025 1:10 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Mar 19, 2025 9:38:23 AM PDT, Ed Stasiak <user1263@newsgrouper.org.invalid>: >>>>> BTR1701

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty >>>>>> because we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer >>>>>> value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

Actually, it's not a demand. Just a suggestion since our country seems
not to be living up to what the statue represents.

The statue itself was originally designed to go to Egypt to stand at
the entry to the Suez Canal. It was only after Egypt turned the offer
down that France paid for it, and the statue was slightly altered and
given to the USA.

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In article <vrcqci$3dd14$1@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:

Well, the French are demanding we give them back the Statue of Liberty because we have borders and enforce them now, which means we no longer
value liberty. Or something. So the week is starting off great.

Did that really happen? I heard it was #FakeNews

I don't want to give the Statue of Liberty to France, but I do think we should remove that dumb poem about the "huddled masses" that leftists love
to cite when arguing that America, alone among nations, should have no borders, and send that over to the Caliphate of France. They can attach it
to the Eiffel Tower or something. America is not an international homeless shelter.

That's not what that poem advocates.

--
Not a joke! Don't jump!

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