William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies?
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the ones
trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies?
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we admire, rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from
it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
On Mar 20, 2025 at 11:45:03 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists areShakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the ones >>> trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies? >>
admire, rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from
it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
Shakespeare was also an Englishman who wrote his plays in England. There was >no 'colonization' there to begin with, so when they 'decolonize' him by >bringing in black and other BIPOC 'voices', they're actually doing what the >claim to abhor: supplanting the voice of an indigenous person with that of >interlopers from other lands. In other words, they're not 'decolonizing' >Shakespeare, they're a bunch of racists who are 'colonizing' an indigenous >voice.
But that's okay, you see, because that indigenous voice is white.
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs
enemies?
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we admire, rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
On Mar 20, 2025 at 11:45:03 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists areShakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the ones >>> trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies? >>
admire, rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from
it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
Shakespeare was also an Englishman who wrote his plays in England. There was no 'colonization' there to begin with, so when they 'decolonize' him by bringing in black and other BIPOC 'voices', they're actually doing what the claim to abhor: supplanting the voice of an indigenous person with that of interlopers from other lands. In other words, they're not 'decolonizing' Shakespeare, they're a bunch of racists who are 'colonizing' an indigenous voice.
But that's okay, you see, because that indigenous voice is white.
On 2025-03-20 2:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:Who are you and what have you done with the real moviePig? The real
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs
enemies?
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we
admire, rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer
from it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona
Lisa.
moviePig would NEVER oppose a "progressive" re-thinking of Shakespeare!
On 3/20/2025 3:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-03-20 2:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:Who are you and what have you done with the real moviePig? The real
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists
are working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in
the Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are
the ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who
needs enemies?
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what
we admire, rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously
infer from it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to
the Mona Lisa.
moviePig would NEVER oppose a "progressive" re-thinking of Shakespeare!
The real moviePig has yet to see any bowdlerizing as progress.
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs
enemies?
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we admire,
rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs
enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
 - in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
  Jackson in the lead role.
 - in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
  "all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
  "Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
  all-male production of "Twelftth Night", although that of course
  is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various
  Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
...
On Mar 20, 2025 at 11:45:03 AM PDT, "moviePig"<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies?
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we admire, rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from it. "Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
Shakespeare was also an Englishman who wrote his plays in England. There was no 'colonization' there to begin with, so when they 'decolonize' him by bringing in black and other BIPOC 'voices', they're actually doing what the claim to abhor: supplanting the voice of an indigenous person with that of interlopers from other lands. In other words, they're not 'decolonizing' Shakespeare, they're a bunch of racists who are 'colonizing' an indigenous voice.
But that's okay, you see, because that indigenous voice is white.
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs
enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
- in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
Jackson in the lead role.
- in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
"all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
"Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
all-male production of "Twelftth Night", although that of course
is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various
Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we
admire,
*We* don't admire anything of the boring garbage writings by
Shakespeare. *We* were forced to read the useless nonsense in high
school. :-)
rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from it.
"Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
Not really. The Mona Lisa is a good painting, and adding CGI would ruin
it. Polishing Shakespeare's boring words is like polishing dog poo ...
it's still going to be dog poo, just shiny. :-p
On 3/20/2025 11:58 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs
enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
- in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
Jackson in the lead role.
- in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
"all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
"Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
all-male production of "Twelftth Night", although that of course
is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various
Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
...
But afaics those don't purport to "correct flaws" in the original.
On 2025-03-21 15:29:58 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 11:58 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists
are working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in
the Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are
the ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who
needs enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
 - in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
  Jackson in the lead role.
 - in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
  "all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
  "Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
  all-male production of "Twelftth Night", although that of course
  is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various
  Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
...
But afaics those don't purport to "correct flaws" in the original.
They sort-of do ... the "Politically Correct" whiners' so-called 'flaw'
of not having female leads / characters or the so-called 'flaw' of not
having many shows performed in the Maori language.
As usual, the "Politically Correct" whiners' 'solution' is to simply
hijack and butcher existing material to suit themselves, rather than
having any actual creative talent to make new things theselves.
On Mar 20, 2025 at 8:58:40 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are >>>> working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the >>>> Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs >>>> enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
- in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
Jackson in the lead role.
- in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
"all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
"Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
all-male production of "Twelftth Night", although that of course
is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various
Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we
admire,
*We* don't admire anything of the boring garbage writings by
Shakespeare. *We* were forced to read the useless nonsense in high
school. :-)
Speak for yourself. I quite enjoy Shakespeare's works.
rather than whatever philosophy we might gratuitously infer from it.
"Polishing" his words would be like applying CGI to the Mona Lisa.
Not really. The Mona Lisa is a good painting, and adding CGI would ruin
it. Polishing Shakespeare's boring words is like polishing dog poo ...
it's still going to be dog poo, just shiny. :-p
Just because it's not your cup of tea, doesn't make it shit.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Mar 20, 2025 at 8:58:40 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are >>>>> working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the >>>>> Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the >>>>> ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs >>>>> enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
- in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
Jackson in the lead role.
- in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
"all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
"Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
all-male production of "Twelftth Night", although that of course
is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various
Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we >>>> admire,
*We* don't admire anything of the boring garbage writings by
Shakespeare. *We* were forced to read the useless nonsense in high
school. :-)
Speak for yourself. I quite enjoy Shakespeare's works.
I love Forbidden Planet.
On Mar 21, 2025 at 11:12:32 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Mar 20, 2025 at 8:58:40 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are >>>>>> working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the >>>>>> Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the >>>>>> ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs >>>>>> enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
- in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
Jackson in the lead role.
- in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
"all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
"Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
all-male production of "Twelftth Night", although that of course >>>> is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various >>>> Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we >>>>> admire,
*We* don't admire anything of the boring garbage writings by
Shakespeare. *We* were forced to read the useless nonsense in high
school. :-)
Speak for yourself. I quite enjoy Shakespeare's works.
I love Forbidden Planet.
My favorite is WEST SIDE STORY. Who knew the guy could write music as well as could write prose?!
On Mar 20, 2025 at 8:58:40 PM PDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-03-20 18:45:03 +0000, moviePig said:
On 3/20/2025 12:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
William Shakespeare is apparently so "problematic" that activists are
working hard to "de-colonize" him. Leo Kearse explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNgnoBSXAA [18 minutes]
As Kearse points out, it is *extremely* ironic that the people in the
Shakespeare Trust, who are supposed to be fans of his work, are the
ones trying to "de-colonize" him. With "friends" like that, who needs
enemies?
Among many others, there has already been:
- in America, a production of "King Lear" on Broadway with Glenda
Jackson in the lead role.
- in New Zealand, productions of "Taming of the Shrew" with an
"all-female-identiying" cast and a "feminist version" of
"Henry V". (For the sake of 'equality', there has also been an
all-male production of "Twelfth Night", although that of course
is how plays used to be performed.) There have also been various
Shakespeare plays done fully in the Maori language.
Shakespeare was a playwright and poet. His actual verbiage is what we admire,
*We* don't admire anything of the boring garbage writings by
Shakespeare. *We* were forced to read the useless nonsense in high
school. :-)
Speak for yourself. I quite enjoy Shakespeare's works.
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