On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

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I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

--
Rhino

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Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> posted:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

Try Mozilla's Thunderbird forum for help on that one. I think the people there are only regular users like us but they should be able to help with your problem. They haven't been that much help with mine though.

Your other option is to file a bug report against Thunderbird. Those get read by the developers but it may take (many) months for a particular problem to be fixed in some cases. Also, if you read existing bug reports, you *may* find a workaround for your
problem.



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Rhino

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:55:28 -0700, rhino wrote:

Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> posted:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

Try Mozilla's Thunderbird forum for help on that one. I think the people there are only regular users like us but they should be able to help with your problem. They haven't been that much help with mine though.

I did and never found whatever is the secret method to
delete an installation, and I didn't see any acknowledgement
of the mass failings of Thunderbird, the Newsreader, for Apple
users, if not others, a few years ago. All I can do is
try again, and see if search is no longer broken, as it was
at google, a few years ago.

What I use, Hogwatcher, sucks because it doesn't have a
search in it, and pointlessly hijacks the Operating
System's search function, cmd-F, so there is no text
searching.

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rhino wrote :

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

You need to tell TBird to always authenticate your user name and
password. Then you should see all the availble newsroups.

--
If kids knew what they wanted to be at age eight,
the world would be filled with cowboys and princesses.
Bill Maher

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On 2025-03-26 01:18:44 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:55:28 -0700, rhino wrote:

Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> posted:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still
have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the
settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage
subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big
improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific >>>> to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've >>>> forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see
the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

Try Mozilla's Thunderbird forum for help on that one. I think the
people there are only regular users like us but they should be able to
help with your problem. They haven't been that much help with mine
though.

I did and never found whatever is the secret method to
delete an installation, and I didn't see any acknowledgement
of the mass failings of Thunderbird, the Newsreader, for Apple
users, if not others, a few years ago. All I can do is
try again, and see if search is no longer broken, as it was
at google, a few years ago.

What I use, Hogwatcher, sucks because it doesn't have a
search in it, and pointlessly hijacks the Operating
System's search function, cmd-F, so there is no text
searching.

What OS are you on? You can use the free Unison if you aren't past
Mojave 10.14.6.

I've tried out Hogwatcher and would've been willing to pay for it but
you're right, it does kinda suck.

I don't think I've ever used Thunderbird in any capacity and certainly
not on OSX, however I'm a huge Firefox fan and (unlike Chrome) they
still support my OS (just downloaded the latest auto-update as a matter
of fact).

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 09:11:58 -0700, super70s wrote:

On 2025-03-26 01:18:44 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:55:28 -0700, rhino wrote:

Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> posted:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific
to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've
forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

Try Mozilla's Thunderbird forum for help on that one. I think the
people there are only regular users like us but they should be able to help with your problem. They haven't been that much help with mine though.

I did and never found whatever is the secret method to
delete an installation, and I didn't see any acknowledgement
of the mass failings of Thunderbird, the Newsreader, for Apple
users, if not others, a few years ago. All I can do is
try again, and see if search is no longer broken, as it was
at google, a few years ago.

What I use, Hogwatcher, sucks because it doesn't have a
search in it, and pointlessly hijacks the Operating
System's search function, cmd-F, so there is no text
searching.

What OS are you on? You can use the free Unison if you aren't past
Mojave 10.14.6.

I can't, because I updated the OS. Unison has a wonderful
feature of clicking (or was it double clicking?) on the first
post of a thread and the entire thread loads in the background and
large threads can be paged down easily as if it were one post,
and then goes back to the article selector at the end of the thread.
I can't remember if any other newsreader had that feature, as it
was a nice surprise.

Unison is bad at subject searching because it did not
find subjects where the subject had been changed in
the middle of a thread, it could only find the original
subject in a thread.

Hogwatcher is the worst at searching, it has none but a
within article search and prevents users from using the
OS to search. It also forces unwanted formatting on
posts: I cannot display ascii art or show two white
spaces in a row. I always put two spaces before a
new sentence but it never shows up in my posts.

I've tried out Hogwatcher and would've been willing to pay for it but
you're right, it does kinda suck.

I bought it solely because it was the only newsreader
at the Apple Store and I had been kicked off of thunderbird
the moment I upgraded the OS.

I don't think I've ever used Thunderbird in any capacity and certainly
not on OSX, however I'm a huge Firefox fan and (unlike Chrome) they
still support my OS (just downloaded the latest auto-update as a matter
of fact).

Thunderbird has the errant design of combining an email reader
with a newsreader, though those functions are unrelated.

Oddly enough, all the newsreaders software make it easier to
post than to read news, as I can actually post with otherwise
defective newsreaders. This might explain a lot of the Usenet content
I see.

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On 2025-03-27 9:50 AM, heyjoe wrote:

rhino wrote :

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

You need to tell TBird to always authenticate your user name and
password. Then you should see all the availble newsroups.

Thank you. I managed to get the information elsewhere after I asked it
here but I appreciate you helping because the other source might not
have, in which case I'd still have been in the lurch.

--
Rhino

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On Mar 27, 2025, heyjoe wrote
(in article <vs3l2k$c63q$1@dont-email.me>):

rhino wrote :

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

You need to tell TBird to always authenticate your user name and
password. Then you should see all the availble newsroups.

Yes, and that is in the FAQ on the Eternal September web site.

--
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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On 3/25/25 6:18 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:55:28 -0700, rhino wrote:

Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> posted:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

Try Mozilla's Thunderbird forum for help on that one. I think the people there are only regular users like us but they should be able to help with your problem. They haven't been that much help with mine though.

I did and never found whatever is the secret method to
delete an installation, and I didn't see any acknowledgement
of the mass failings of Thunderbird, the Newsreader, for Apple
users, if not others, a few years ago. All I can do is
try again, and see if search is no longer broken, as it was
at google, a few years ago.

That was not needed, I only had to update thunderbird
after a couple years or so.


Two white spaces here ? I could not do that with
Hogwatcher. The one space rule seems corporate-speak,
where sentences run into each other.

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On 2025-03-28 01:16:23 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 09:11:58 -0700, super70s wrote:

What OS are you on? You can use the free Unison if you aren't past
Mojave 10.14.6.

I can't, because I updated the OS. Unison has a wonderful
feature of clicking (or was it double clicking?) on the first
post of a thread and the entire thread loads in the background and
large threads can be paged down easily as if it were one post,
and then goes back to the article selector at the end of the thread.
I can't remember if any other newsreader had that feature, as it
was a nice surprise.

Unison is bad at subject searching because it did not
find subjects where the subject had been changed in
the middle of a thread, it could only find the original
subject in a thread.

Hogwatcher is the worst at searching, it has none but a
within article search and prevents users from using the
OS to search. It also forces unwanted formatting on
posts: I cannot display ascii art or show two white
spaces in a row. I always put two spaces before a
new sentence but it never shows up in my posts.

I also have another active system running Tiger 10.4 from 2006, mainly
so I can run some of the old Classic apps I still find very useful. It
uses an old NewsWatcher variant, MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b, that can do all
those searches you describe. Some say NewsWatcher was the best
newsreader ever developed on any platform, Mac or PC. Unfortunately it
stopped being developed around that time and won't work on the newer
systems at all.

I don't think I've ever used Thunderbird in any capacity and certainly
not on OSX, however I'm a huge Firefox fan and (unlike Chrome) they
still support my OS (just downloaded the latest auto-update as a matter
of fact).

Thunderbird has the errant design of combining an email reader
with a newsreader, though those functions are unrelated.

Oddly enough, all the newsreaders software make it easier to
post than to read news, as I can actually post with otherwise
defective newsreaders. This might explain a lot of the Usenet content
I see.

Yeah on that Tiger system I use an email client called "TenFourBird," a
fork of Thunderbird. I never used its Usenet function though since
NewsWatcher worked so well.

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 11:32:16 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

On 3/25/25 6:18 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:55:28 -0700, rhino wrote:

Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> posted:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

Try Mozilla's Thunderbird forum for help on that one. I think the people there are only regular users like us but they should be able to help with your problem. They haven't been that much help with mine though.

I did and never found whatever is the secret method to
delete an installation, and I didn't see any acknowledgement
of the mass failings of Thunderbird, the Newsreader, for Apple
users, if not others, a few years ago. All I can do is
try again, and see if search is no longer broken, as it was
at google, a few years ago.

That was not needed, I only had to update thunderbird
after a couple years or so.

Two white spaces here ? I could not do that with
Hogwatcher. The one space rule seems corporate-speak,
where sentences run into each other.

And I forgot one great feature of Hogwatcher: you can read through
to the next article with just an arrow key!

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 12:00:16 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 11:32:16 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote:

On 3/25/25 6:18 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:55:28 -0700, rhino wrote:

Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> posted:

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:22:13 -0700, rhino wrote:

I *think* I may have solved my problem with Thunderbird but I still have one key question.

I removed the newsreader account I had (after writing down the settings) and then re-created it. Now, when I try to manage subscriptions, I actually get a list of newsgroups which is a big improvement.

However, the list of newsgroups I'm seeing are those that are specific to Eternal September and NOT Usenet newsgroups.

I've seen and fixed that problem before but it's been a while and I've forgotten what I did. There's one additional step I need to do to see the Usenet newsgroups.

Can anyone remind me what needs to be done?

I think I need to remove every trace of Thunderbird from my
computer to reinstall it again afresh, which I have been
unable to do: Thunderbird always seems to reinstall with
a bad installation. I have no idea how to do a true removal
of the faulty Thunderbird installation I have, and I certainly
tried.

Try Mozilla's Thunderbird forum for help on that one. I think the people there are only regular users like us but they should be able to help with your problem. They haven't been that much help with mine though.

I did and never found whatever is the secret method to
delete an installation, and I didn't see any acknowledgement
of the mass failings of Thunderbird, the Newsreader, for Apple
users, if not others, a few years ago. All I can do is
try again, and see if search is no longer broken, as it was
at google, a few years ago.

That was not needed, I only had to update thunderbird
after a couple years or so.

Two white spaces here ? I could not do that with
Hogwatcher. The one space rule seems corporate-speak,
where sentences run into each other.

And I forgot one great feature of Hogwatcher: you can read through
to the next article with just an arrow key!

But not as good as Unison, which can be optionally
selected to produce an entire thread as a single article,
no need to page through articles, if I remember right,
but is missing header display, if needed.

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