• Cops right to enter home to search for third party

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 2 15:33:46 2025
    I really like this guy's videos, Jeff Hampton, a defense attorney in
    Fort Worth.

    In this video, he clearly explains an arrest warrant versus search
    warrant. These address two separate issues, the right of a suspect to be
    seized (detained) and the right of one's home not to be seized. There
    are limited circumstances in which police may enter to make an arrest
    with an arrest warrant but not a search warrant, but the rights not to
    have one's home searched without a warrant continue to apply per
    Steagald vs United States (1981)...

    ... except where they don't due to exigent circumstances. Exigent
    circumstances has multiple parts.

    Another difference between an arrest warrant and search warrant is lack
    of expectation of privacy by arrestee if it's not his home. A casual
    visitor being arrested has no right against warrantless search. He has
    to be staying there, at least an overnight stay, to have a right against warrantless search. Minnesota v. Olson (1991)

    However, some state constitutions offer additional rights. In Texas,
    cops need a reasonal belief that the person named on the arrest warrant
    is in a third party's home before nonconsensual entry. In Washington
    state, cops must advice the resident of the consequences of allowing
    entry and therefore search. In fact, in Washington state, the resident
    cannot give police consent to search a guest's belongings (whether the
    guest is casual or an overnight guest).

    At around 22 minutes, he says if police show up with a warrant to ask if
    it's a search warrant for the home, because if it's just an arrest
    warrant, the resident may refuse entry. But what if police have a
    reasonable belief that the person to be arrested is there? I'm confused.

    Now, the next time I'm subject to search and seizure with or without a
    warrant, will I remember this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWbEQZjuvc

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Apr 2 17:52:51 2025
    On Apr 2, 2025 at 8:33:46 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    I really like this guy's videos, Jeff Hampton, a defense attorney in
    Fort Worth.

    In this video, he clearly explains an arrest warrant versus search
    warrant. These address two separate issues, the right of a suspect to be seized (detained) and the right of one's home not to be seized. There
    are limited circumstances in which police may enter to make an arrest
    with an arrest warrant but not a search warrant, but the rights not to
    have one's home searched without a warrant continue to apply per
    Steagald vs United States (1981)...

    ... except where they don't due to exigent circumstances. Exigent circumstances has multiple parts.

    Another difference between an arrest warrant and search warrant is lack
    of expectation of privacy by arrestee if it's not his home. A casual
    visitor being arrested has no right against warrantless search. He has
    to be staying there, at least an overnight stay, to have a right against warrantless search. Minnesota v. Olson (1991)

    However, some state constitutions offer additional rights. In Texas,
    cops need a reasonal belief that the person named on the arrest warrant
    is in a third party's home before nonconsensual entry. In Washington
    state, cops must advice the resident of the consequences of allowing
    entry and therefore search. In fact, in Washington state, the resident
    cannot give police consent to search a guest's belongings (whether the
    guest is casual or an overnight guest).

    At around 22 minutes, he says if police show up with a warrant to ask if
    it's a search warrant for the home, because if it's just an arrest
    warrant, the resident may refuse entry. But what if police have a
    reasonable belief that the person to be arrested is there? I'm confused.

    Now, the next time I'm subject to search and seizure with or without a warrant, will I remember this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTWbEQZjuvc

    My personal policy was to just get both warrants ahead of time. I just argued to the judge that the suspect was a bad guy who was counterfeiting all sorts
    of money and that I had probable cause to suspect that not only was he present in the other person's home, but so were the fruits of his crime-- the fake money-- so I needed to be able to not only arrest him but to search where he might have stashed the cash before we arrived.

    Worked pretty much every time.

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