• Chicago Wins Again! - Literal Highway Robbery

    From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 19:37:52 2025
    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and
    demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re demanding, they become violent.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by
    masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 16:36:22 2025
    On 2025-04-09 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re demanding, they become violent.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.


    My friends and I were actually victims of something similar at a car
    race around 45 years ago. We were at Mosport, which is a couple of hours north-east of Toronto, camping for the weekend while we took in some
    motor racing. Mosport had provided a huge pile of "firewood" - actually,
    they were chairs like the ones we'd had in our high school cafeteria -
    and as we approached in a car, a guy came over and told us it would be
    $5 for a trunk full. We were a little surprised but Mosport had
    obviously spent some money getting that wood so we coughed up the $5,
    took a trunkful of wood, and went our way. It was only later that we
    heard that the people collecting the money had nothing to do with
    Mosport, who had provided the wood for free.

    I had wondered why the guy who approached us spoke so quietly and
    realized after the fact that he must have been trying to be discrete so
    that no one else nearby could tell us the wood was free. I seem to
    recall other guys also approaching people that were coming for wood so
    I'm not clear if it was an organized scam or if other people just
    spontaneously started imitating the first guy when they saw his scam was working. (There were several big piles of wood around the park but I
    have no idea if the same scam was used at the other piles.)

    I also remember a bit of an epilogue to the whole thing later on that
    long weekend: the wood piles (or at least the one we had gone to) were
    set on fire and all the remaining wood burnt. I suspect that was a bit
    of protest from people who'd been ripped off by the scam.

    I should also point out that no one was threatened or abused if they
    chose not to give these guys $5 for firewood. I'm sure we were free to
    drive away and look elsewhere if we liked. But it probably would have
    cost us more than that to drive to some other supplier of firewood and
    it might have taken a while given that Mosport isn't in any town. I
    didn't see anyone tell these guys to fuck off and then helped themselves
    to the wood for free so I don't know what would have happened; I
    *suspect* they would have simply got their wood for free without any
    kind of altercation.

    I would think the baseball team could arrange to get a couple of cops
    (on- or off-duty) to hang out at the offramp to discourage these
    scammers (and chase them if they try to leave on their scooters); it
    would go a long way to rehabilitating the image of the team and the city
    for tolerating that nonsense. (I saw the bit where the police car tried
    to stop them but the scammers just scattered on their scooters. The cops
    should have been on comparable vehicles that could give chase.)

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 20:43:05 2025
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 1:36:22 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking
    attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and
    demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re
    demanding, they become violent.



    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by
    masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.


    My friends and I were actually victims of something similar at a car
    race around 45 years ago. We were at Mosport, which is a couple of hours north-east of Toronto, camping for the weekend while we took in some
    motor racing. Mosport had provided a huge pile of "firewood" - actually,
    they were chairs like the ones we'd had in our high school cafeteria -
    and as we approached in a car, a guy came over and told us it would be
    $5 for a trunk full. We were a little surprised but Mosport had
    obviously spent some money getting that wood so we coughed up the $5,
    took a trunkful of wood, and went our way. It was only later that we
    heard that the people collecting the money had nothing to do with
    Mosport, who had provided the wood for free.

    I had wondered why the guy who approached us spoke so quietly and
    realized after the fact that he must have been trying to be discrete so
    that no one else nearby could tell us the wood was free. I seem to
    recall other guys also approaching people that were coming for wood so
    I'm not clear if it was an organized scam or if other people just spontaneously started imitating the first guy when they saw his scam was working. (There were several big piles of wood around the park but I
    have no idea if the same scam was used at the other piles.)

    I also remember a bit of an epilogue to the whole thing later on that
    long weekend: the wood piles (or at least the one we had gone to) were
    set on fire and all the remaining wood burnt. I suspect that was a bit
    of protest from people who'd been ripped off by the scam.

    I should also point out that no one was threatened or abused if they
    chose not to give these guys $5 for firewood. I'm sure we were free to
    drive away and look elsewhere if we liked. But it probably would have
    cost us more than that to drive to some other supplier of firewood and
    it might have taken a while given that Mosport isn't in any town. I
    didn't see anyone tell these guys to fuck off and then helped themselves
    to the wood for free so I don't know what would have happened; I
    *suspect* they would have simply got their wood for free without any
    kind of altercation.

    I would think the baseball team could arrange to get a couple of cops
    (on- or off-duty) to hang out at the offramp to discourage these
    scammers (and chase them if they try to leave on their scooters); it
    would go a long way to rehabilitating the image of the team and the city
    for tolerating that nonsense. (I saw the bit where the police car tried
    to stop them but the scammers just scattered on their scooters. The cops should have been on comparable vehicles that could give chase.)

    This is why you should be allowed to carry in your car (and on your person). Betcha these guys wouldn't be pulling this crap if they had to expect every second or third car to have someone pointing a gun back at them.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 16:57:38 2025
    On 2025-04-09 4:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 1:36:22 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking >>> attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and
    demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re >>> demanding, they become violent.



    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by >>> masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.


    My friends and I were actually victims of something similar at a car
    race around 45 years ago. We were at Mosport, which is a couple of hours
    north-east of Toronto, camping for the weekend while we took in some
    motor racing. Mosport had provided a huge pile of "firewood" - actually,
    they were chairs like the ones we'd had in our high school cafeteria -
    and as we approached in a car, a guy came over and told us it would be
    $5 for a trunk full. We were a little surprised but Mosport had
    obviously spent some money getting that wood so we coughed up the $5,
    took a trunkful of wood, and went our way. It was only later that we
    heard that the people collecting the money had nothing to do with
    Mosport, who had provided the wood for free.

    I had wondered why the guy who approached us spoke so quietly and
    realized after the fact that he must have been trying to be discrete so
    that no one else nearby could tell us the wood was free. I seem to
    recall other guys also approaching people that were coming for wood so
    I'm not clear if it was an organized scam or if other people just
    spontaneously started imitating the first guy when they saw his scam was
    working. (There were several big piles of wood around the park but I
    have no idea if the same scam was used at the other piles.)

    I also remember a bit of an epilogue to the whole thing later on that
    long weekend: the wood piles (or at least the one we had gone to) were
    set on fire and all the remaining wood burnt. I suspect that was a bit
    of protest from people who'd been ripped off by the scam.

    I should also point out that no one was threatened or abused if they
    chose not to give these guys $5 for firewood. I'm sure we were free to
    drive away and look elsewhere if we liked. But it probably would have
    cost us more than that to drive to some other supplier of firewood and
    it might have taken a while given that Mosport isn't in any town. I
    didn't see anyone tell these guys to fuck off and then helped themselves
    to the wood for free so I don't know what would have happened; I
    *suspect* they would have simply got their wood for free without any
    kind of altercation.

    I would think the baseball team could arrange to get a couple of cops
    (on- or off-duty) to hang out at the offramp to discourage these
    scammers (and chase them if they try to leave on their scooters); it
    would go a long way to rehabilitating the image of the team and the city
    for tolerating that nonsense. (I saw the bit where the police car tried
    to stop them but the scammers just scattered on their scooters. The cops
    should have been on comparable vehicles that could give chase.)

    This is why you should be allowed to carry in your car (and on your person). Betcha these guys wouldn't be pulling this crap if they had to expect every second or third car to have someone pointing a gun back at them.


    Sounds like a plan!

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Apr 9 22:00:30 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking >attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and >demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re >demanding, they become violent.

    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by >masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.

    Absolutely outrageous. I hadn't heard about that.

    An alderman is working on an ordinamce that would allow vehicle owners
    to sue unlicensed predatory towing companies, that just show up at
    accidents and try to get cash from motorists. I have no idea where they
    take vehicles.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Apr 9 18:57:15 2025
    On 2025-04-09 6:00 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking
    attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and
    demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re
    demanding, they become violent.

    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by
    masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.

    Absolutely outrageous. I hadn't heard about that.

    An alderman is working on an ordinamce that would allow vehicle owners
    to sue unlicensed predatory towing companies, that just show up at
    accidents and try to get cash from motorists. I have no idea where they
    take vehicles.

    Probably somewhere that they charge hundreds of dollars a day to "store"
    the vehicle but that is out of the way and/or hard to find so that the
    owner takes a while to locate them....

    Shady tow operators are common up here too. But it's gotten to a point
    where they will exchange gunfire with their competitors to get a tow at
    an accident scene. That's obviously REALLY bad but I don't know of
    anything that the police are actually doing about that beyond their
    standard declarations that this is unacceptable.

    Given how much stricter gun control is here than there, you'd think the
    police would have plenty of leverage over anyone discharging - or even displaying - a firearm. Then again, with just about everyone getting
    bail for every offence, even if they are already out on bail, they may
    not think it's worth the risk of confronting the tow truck operators.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 23:29:08 2025
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 3:57:15 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 6:00 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking >>> attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and
    demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re >>> demanding, they become violent.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by >>> masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.

    Absolutely outrageous. I hadn't heard about that.

    An alderman is working on an ordinamce that would allow vehicle owners
    to sue unlicensed predatory towing companies, that just show up at
    accidents and try to get cash from motorists. I have no idea where they
    take vehicles.

    Probably somewhere that they charge hundreds of dollars a day to "store"
    the vehicle but that is out of the way and/or hard to find so that the
    owner takes a while to locate them....

    Shady tow operators are common up here too. But it's gotten to a point
    where they will exchange gunfire with their competitors to get a tow at
    an accident scene. That's obviously REALLY bad but I don't know of
    anything that the police are actually doing about that beyond their
    standard declarations that this is unacceptable.

    Given how much stricter gun control is here than there, you'd think the police would have plenty of leverage over anyone discharging - or even displaying - a firearm. Then again, with just about everyone getting
    bail for every offence, even if they are already out on bail, they may
    not think it's worth the risk of confronting the tow truck operators.

    Back when I lived in Houston, they trolled the freeways and if they found you broken down or with a flat tire, they'd pull up, hook your car up, and tow it away whether you wanted them to or not. They'd say it's for your "safety", since changing a tire on the side of the freeway is dangerous. They didn't really seem to care that they'd left you on the side of a freeway with no vehicle. That part of being "safe" didn't concern them.

    Happened to me once in my issued government SUV-- got a flat from a sharp
    piece of concrete on the road-- and a tow truck guy arrived and pretended I wasn't even there when I told him I didn't want a tow. When he started
    pulling the chains out, I flipped on my red-and-blue flashers, stepped in
    front of him with my badge in one hand and my handcuffs in the other, and
    asked him how far he wanted to play this game. He stared daggers at me, then packed his chains back up and drove off. Never said a word the entire time.

    Sometimes I miss having that badge...

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Apr 9 19:01:01 2025
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking
    attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and
    demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re
    demanding, they become violent.

    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by
    masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.

    Absolutely outrageous. I hadn't heard about that.


    I posted extensively about it and tagged you. Didn’t you see it?

    One Saturday I came to my office when there was a parade or some sort of
    event going on on Scottsdale Road two blocks over. I was surprised to find somebody blocking the entrance to my parking lot demanding I pay to park
    there. Luckily, they were cute young girls who backed down pretty easily.



    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 22:25:06 2025
    On 2025-04-09 7:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 3:57:15 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 6:00 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking >>>> attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and >>>> demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re >>>> demanding, they become violent.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by >>>> masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.

    Absolutely outrageous. I hadn't heard about that.

    An alderman is working on an ordinamce that would allow vehicle owners >>> to sue unlicensed predatory towing companies, that just show up at
    accidents and try to get cash from motorists. I have no idea where they >>> take vehicles.

    Probably somewhere that they charge hundreds of dollars a day to "store"
    the vehicle but that is out of the way and/or hard to find so that the
    owner takes a while to locate them....

    Shady tow operators are common up here too. But it's gotten to a point
    where they will exchange gunfire with their competitors to get a tow at
    an accident scene. That's obviously REALLY bad but I don't know of
    anything that the police are actually doing about that beyond their
    standard declarations that this is unacceptable.

    Given how much stricter gun control is here than there, you'd think the
    police would have plenty of leverage over anyone discharging - or even
    displaying - a firearm. Then again, with just about everyone getting
    bail for every offence, even if they are already out on bail, they may
    not think it's worth the risk of confronting the tow truck operators.

    Back when I lived in Houston, they trolled the freeways and if they found you broken down or with a flat tire, they'd pull up, hook your car up, and tow it away whether you wanted them to or not. They'd say it's for your "safety", since changing a tire on the side of the freeway is dangerous. They didn't really seem to care that they'd left you on the side of a freeway with no vehicle. That part of being "safe" didn't concern them.

    In other words, it was just a bullshit line to rationalize taking your
    car and then making you pay ransom to get it back. Lovely.

    Mind you, a colleague of mine once took his family on vacation in
    California and they had a flat out on the highway. He pulled over to the
    side and started jacking up the car to put on the spare but the CHP (or
    maybe some local law enforcement) came along just then and told him not
    to because it was too dangerous. Too much chance of getting splattered
    by somebody who couldn't keep his car off the side of the road. He had
    to drive on the rim until he could find a turnoff so that he could
    change the tire, which could be fairly dangerous itself.

    For what it's worth, I had a flat in my own car on the 401 (Ontario's
    major highway but luckily I was a long way from Toronto). I pulled over
    to the side of the road, which was very narrow, and changed the tire
    right there with the help of my passenger, no problem at all. But I
    wasn't wild about working on the car there.

    Happened to me once in my issued government SUV-- got a flat from a sharp piece of concrete on the road-- and a tow truck guy arrived and pretended I wasn't even there when I told him I didn't want a tow. When he started pulling the chains out, I flipped on my red-and-blue flashers, stepped in front of him with my badge in one hand and my handcuffs in the other, and asked him how far he wanted to play this game. He stared daggers at me, then packed his chains back up and drove off. Never said a word the entire time.

    Sometimes I miss having that badge...

    It obviously helped discouraged people from doing things they shouldn't.

    Are you still armed whenever you're out of the house? I remember you
    saying you got some kind of special permit as a former USSS agent
    allowing you to carry but I don't know if you take advantage of that at
    every opportunity or only when you're expecting to be in a sketchy neighbourhood. Having a gun, the knowledge of how to use it, and the
    wisdom to know when to use it must be a comfort when things start going sideways.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 11:55:04 2025
    On 4/9/2025 7:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 3:57:15 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 6:00 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In Chicago, men of a certain unsurprising demographic dressed as parking >>>> attendants are surrounding cars before they even exit the freeway and >>>> demanding money to park at Comiskey Park.

    In a (not-so) shocking twist, if you don’t give them the $40 they’re >>>> demanding, they become violent.


    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1908162578641027072/vid/avc1/650x480/wAy_4va6RimmcLHu.mp4?tag=16

    Well done, Chicago. Even in L.A. you don't get held up on the freeway by >>>> masked bandits like it's an 1820s stagecoach robbery or something.

    Absolutely outrageous. I hadn't heard about that.

    An alderman is working on an ordinamce that would allow vehicle owners >>> to sue unlicensed predatory towing companies, that just show up at
    accidents and try to get cash from motorists. I have no idea where they >>> take vehicles.

    Probably somewhere that they charge hundreds of dollars a day to "store"
    the vehicle but that is out of the way and/or hard to find so that the
    owner takes a while to locate them....

    Shady tow operators are common up here too. But it's gotten to a point
    where they will exchange gunfire with their competitors to get a tow at
    an accident scene. That's obviously REALLY bad but I don't know of
    anything that the police are actually doing about that beyond their
    standard declarations that this is unacceptable.

    Given how much stricter gun control is here than there, you'd think the
    police would have plenty of leverage over anyone discharging - or even
    displaying - a firearm. Then again, with just about everyone getting
    bail for every offence, even if they are already out on bail, they may
    not think it's worth the risk of confronting the tow truck operators.

    Back when I lived in Houston, they trolled the freeways and if they found you broken down or with a flat tire, they'd pull up, hook your car up, and tow it away whether you wanted them to or not. They'd say it's for your "safety", since changing a tire on the side of the freeway is dangerous. They didn't really seem to care that they'd left you on the side of a freeway with no vehicle. That part of being "safe" didn't concern them.

    Happened to me once in my issued government SUV-- got a flat from a sharp piece of concrete on the road-- and a tow truck guy arrived and pretended I wasn't even there when I told him I didn't want a tow. When he started pulling the chains out, I flipped on my red-and-blue flashers, stepped in front of him with my badge in one hand and my handcuffs in the other, and asked him how far he wanted to play this game. He stared daggers at me, then packed his chains back up and drove off. Never said a word the entire time.

    Sometimes I miss having that badge...

    What does he do if a badge-less driver nevertheless obstructs him?

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