• What Did You Watch? 2025-04-09 (Wednesday)

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 04:30:41 2025
    I watched:

    DOCTOR WHO ATTACKS FANS AS MORALITY CRUMBLES
    Doctor Who reviews are out for Ncuti Gatwa's second series created by the
    BBC and Disney. But as Doctor who is joined by new companion Varada Sethu
    will Season 2 keep the highs of the first seasons viewing figures. Doctor
    Who previously had views so high that Disney+ put the show on their platform, and now are having second thoughts. Is Russell T Davies the genius who can
    keep viewers away? Is Doctor Who worth watching? https://youtu.be/geKQsrTkuaY?si=w2NIhiU5XvQbw8zq

    DOCTOR WHO REVIEWS HATE MEN LOVE SOCIAL COMMENTARY
    Doctor Who reviews of Season 2 with Ncuti Gatwa have given an interesting insight into the rest of the series. Russell T Davies has decided to double down with his message from season one and drag down the BBC and Disney+ with him. After it was reported Ncuti Gatwa has left the series and Doctor Who
    may not be renewed for Season 3, were mistakes made? Is Doctor Who worth watching?
    https://youtu.be/HkNb8BhixCY?si=pAv7OD3Ll37fTTof

    DISNEY PROMOTES DISGUSTING SHOW 'DYING FOR SEX' https://youtu.be/MnPCs-YvOA0?si=8-IkoyaVZ726xJrT

    POP CULTURE BREAKDOWN | STAR WARS LATEST FAIL | CAP 4 | SUPERMAN IN TROUBLE? | DAREDEVIL | DR WHO
    POP CULTURE BREAKDOWN returns as we laugh over the 2 year anniversary of
    the announcement of the Rey movie...and yet there's STILL no Rey movie!
    We agonize that Doctor Who is about to start up again and we'll have to
    review it, as we needed that like a hole in the head, we note that Captain America: Brave New World has yet to break 200M, we review the final episode
    of Daredevil: Born Again (and discuss the horrible ratings), we spread the
    good word about the new Predator animated series, we ask is the Superman
    movie in trouble? And the Movie We Love this week is the Val Kilmer classic "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang"! https://www.youtube.com/live/ElB14AygCmA?si=-BEBcNWcsG5xY8II

    What did you watch?

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  • From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Thu Apr 10 07:11:14 2025
    On 4/10/25 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    Just soaps:

    soaps: Both Tue's ep's.
    DOOL - Doug III goads him, and so Tate slugs him (Doug deserved so
    much worse than that!) just as dumb Holly walks in, and so she whines
    about it to Tate who just leaves. Tate and NuSophia try to convince
    Sophia's awful mom to restart the adoption talks with Chanel and Johnny
    after EJ has been shot. Belle is all verklempt after Brady tells her
    that EVOL! EJ has been shot. (Nu)Kristen and NuGabi effectively accuse
    each other of shooting EJ.
    GH - Ava railroads Ric into not having Kristina arrested but instead planning to blackmail Alexis for money to keep quiet about it. (It's
    fanciful that the cops aren't involved in this when people at the crash
    scene clearly indicated the brakes had be cut - the cops would certainly
    look into this!!) Kristina is already ready to crack and confess, and
    pathetic Lucky tells her to go to her mother Alexis admit the truth.
    Alexis interviews the new guy (who turned out to be Natalia and
    Sidwell's son), and is all happy that her daughters have reconciled...
    until Ava shows up! Olivia sandbags Brook Lynn by bringing Lois back to
    town; Chase tells Brook Lynn that she has to bury the hatchet with her
    mom or confess publicly the truth. NuNuLulu confesses to Cody that she
    duped him, which Dante overhears, and she and Dante argue about Dante
    never telling Lulu about his teenaged affair with Brook Lynn; at the
    end, Cody is outraged at Lulu.

    What did you watch?

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 10:27:03 2025
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 07:11:14 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 4/10/25 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    Just soaps:

    soaps: Both Tue's ep's.
    DOOL - Doug III goads him, and so Tate slugs him (Doug deserved so
    much worse than that!) just as dumb Holly walks in, and so she whines
    about it to Tate who just leaves. Tate and NuSophia try to convince
    Sophia's awful mom to restart the adoption talks with Chanel and Johnny
    after EJ has been shot. Belle is all verklempt after Brady tells her
    that EVOL! EJ has been shot. (Nu)Kristen and NuGabi effectively accuse
    each other of shooting EJ.
    GH - Ava railroads Ric into not having Kristina arrested but instead
    planning to blackmail Alexis for money to keep quiet about it. (It's
    fanciful that the cops aren't involved in this when people at the crash
    scene clearly indicated the brakes had be cut - the cops would certainly
    look into this!!) Kristina is already ready to crack and confess, and >pathetic Lucky tells her to go to her mother Alexis admit the truth.
    Alexis interviews the new guy (who turned out to be Natalia and
    Sidwell's son), and is all happy that her daughters have reconciled...
    until Ava shows up! Olivia sandbags Brook Lynn by bringing Lois back to
    town; Chase tells Brook Lynn that she has to bury the hatchet with her
    mom or confess publicly the truth. NuNuLulu confesses to Cody that she
    duped him, which Dante overhears, and she and Dante argue about Dante
    never telling Lulu about his teenaged affair with Brook Lynn; at the
    end, Cody is outraged at Lulu.

    What did you watch?


    I finished up THE BONDSMAN season 1. I say season 1 as that ending was
    the perfect setup for a season 2, assuming one gets made. The episodes
    go quickly since they are only about thirty minutes long so it's easy
    to run through the entire season in a week.

    Oh I also watched SURVIVOR where the most annoying person left in the
    game got voted out in a two group tribal. That Immunity challenge was
    brutal with the most muscular guys ending up winning it. Not a
    surprise given how difficult it easy to hold up a significant portion
    of your body weight for what turned out to be over an hour.

    What did you watch?

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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Apr 10 08:18:16 2025
    On 4/10/2025 7:27 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 07:11:14 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 4/10/25 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    Just soaps:

    soaps: Both Tue's ep's.
    DOOL - Doug III goads him, and so Tate slugs him (Doug deserved so
    much worse than that!) just as dumb Holly walks in, and so she whines
    about it to Tate who just leaves. Tate and NuSophia try to convince
    Sophia's awful mom to restart the adoption talks with Chanel and Johnny
    after EJ has been shot. Belle is all verklempt after Brady tells her
    that EVOL! EJ has been shot. (Nu)Kristen and NuGabi effectively accuse
    each other of shooting EJ.
    GH - Ava railroads Ric into not having Kristina arrested but instead
    planning to blackmail Alexis for money to keep quiet about it. (It's
    fanciful that the cops aren't involved in this when people at the crash
    scene clearly indicated the brakes had be cut - the cops would certainly
    look into this!!) Kristina is already ready to crack and confess, and
    pathetic Lucky tells her to go to her mother Alexis admit the truth.
    Alexis interviews the new guy (who turned out to be Natalia and
    Sidwell's son), and is all happy that her daughters have reconciled...
    until Ava shows up! Olivia sandbags Brook Lynn by bringing Lois back to
    town; Chase tells Brook Lynn that she has to bury the hatchet with her
    mom or confess publicly the truth. NuNuLulu confesses to Cody that she
    duped him, which Dante overhears, and she and Dante argue about Dante
    never telling Lulu about his teenaged affair with Brook Lynn; at the
    end, Cody is outraged at Lulu.

    What did you watch?


    I finished up THE BONDSMAN season 1. I say season 1 as that ending was
    the perfect setup for a season 2,
    I'll stop reading there.



    Oh I also watched SURVIVOR
    I have this saved for later.


    What did you watch?


    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3
    of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took
    notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a
    little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about
    making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had
    forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of
    some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had
    heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the
    producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take
    off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone
    took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there
    still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept
    filming.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show.
    Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of
    the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing
    away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion
    dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products,
    selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money. It
    was a non union show which had its' own list of horrors they put the
    actors through. One of the actors said Disney bought the show, then it
    went union and suddenly they cared if they got hurt or not and they
    brought in stuntmen to the dangerous scenes.

    Then there were all the deaths, suicides, murder. The murder they
    talked about could be it's own documentary. A lot of this fans of the
    show will already know about, but it was still an interesting watch and
    had several things I wasn't already aware of, in particular details
    surrounding the suicide of Jason David Frank, who was the most popular
    ranger.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to arthur@alum.calberkeley.org on Thu Apr 10 13:00:31 2025
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 08:18:16 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    On 4/10/2025 7:27 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 07:11:14 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 4/10/25 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    Just soaps:

    soaps: Both Tue's ep's.
    DOOL - Doug III goads him, and so Tate slugs him (Doug deserved so
    much worse than that!) just as dumb Holly walks in, and so she whines
    about it to Tate who just leaves. Tate and NuSophia try to convince
    Sophia's awful mom to restart the adoption talks with Chanel and Johnny
    after EJ has been shot. Belle is all verklempt after Brady tells her
    that EVOL! EJ has been shot. (Nu)Kristen and NuGabi effectively accuse
    each other of shooting EJ.
    GH - Ava railroads Ric into not having Kristina arrested but instead >>> planning to blackmail Alexis for money to keep quiet about it. (It's
    fanciful that the cops aren't involved in this when people at the crash
    scene clearly indicated the brakes had be cut - the cops would certainly >>> look into this!!) Kristina is already ready to crack and confess, and
    pathetic Lucky tells her to go to her mother Alexis admit the truth.
    Alexis interviews the new guy (who turned out to be Natalia and
    Sidwell's son), and is all happy that her daughters have reconciled...
    until Ava shows up! Olivia sandbags Brook Lynn by bringing Lois back to
    town; Chase tells Brook Lynn that she has to bury the hatchet with her
    mom or confess publicly the truth. NuNuLulu confesses to Cody that she
    duped him, which Dante overhears, and she and Dante argue about Dante
    never telling Lulu about his teenaged affair with Brook Lynn; at the
    end, Cody is outraged at Lulu.

    What did you watch?


    I finished up THE BONDSMAN season 1. I say season 1 as that ending was
    the perfect setup for a season 2,
    I'll stop reading there.

    There were no spoilers to be found in the rest of that.



    Oh I also watched SURVIVOR
    I have this saved for later.

    This on the other hand did have spoilers.. Not details but yeah,
    enough to figure out what is going to happen.


    What did you watch?


    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3
    of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took
    notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a
    little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a >teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about
    making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had
    forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They >interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of
    some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had
    heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she >insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the
    producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take
    off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone
    took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there
    still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept
    filming.

    Sheesh, sounds like the producers should have been arrested for that.
    They didn't even need to stop filming to get the guy proper medical
    attention.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show.
    Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost

    Sing for their supper. :)
    immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of
    the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing
    away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion
    dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products,
    selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money.

    Though the problem is how many other actors did they have lined up if
    someone demanded to get paid for the use of their likeness. Which is
    always a problem if there aren't legal protections in place.

    It
    was a non union show which had its' own list of horrors they put the
    actors through. One of the actors said Disney bought the show, then it
    went union and suddenly they cared if they got hurt or not and they
    brought in stuntmen to the dangerous scenes.

    Then there were all the deaths, suicides, murder. The murder they
    talked about could be it's own documentary. A lot of this fans of the
    show will already know about, but it was still an interesting watch and
    had several things I wasn't already aware of, in particular details >surrounding the suicide of Jason David Frank, who was the most popular >ranger.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Apr 10 19:47:14 2025
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    10 Apr 2025 08:18:16 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>: >>4/10/2025 7:27 AM, shawn wrote:
    Thu, 10 Apr 2025 07:11:14 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>:

    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3
    of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took
    notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a
    little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a >>teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about
    making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had
    forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They >>interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of
    some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had
    heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she >>insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the
    producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take
    off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone
    took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there
    still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept >>filming.

    Sheesh, sounds like the producers should have been arrested for that.

    You say that like there are producers who shouldn't be arrested.

    They didn't even need to stop filming to get the guy proper medical >attention.

    Seriously, it's not always a matter of criminal law if someone fails to
    render assistance. Yes, there's liability and industrial hygiene
    requirements, but that's civil law. Refusing to stop filming doesn't
    prevent anyone else from rendering aid. If someone is physically
    prevented from rendering aid, then it could be a crime.

    In this case, unless someone ceasing to perform his job would create a
    hazard on its own or make the emergency worse, like a grip in the
    process of securing a piece of equipment, there are plenty of P.A.s and
    actors not needed for the scene just standing around. Fuck all of those
    people for refusing to assist.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >>documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show.
    Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost

    Sing for their supper. :)

    immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of
    the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing
    away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion
    dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products,
    selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money.

    Though the problem is how many other actors did they have lined up if
    someone demanded to get paid for the use of their likeness. Which is
    always a problem if there aren't legal protections in place.

    How is that a problem? We have a word for performing labor and not being compensated. Don't contractually engage in slavery. Let someone else do
    it. Famously, Disney isn't allowed to use Giselle (Amy Adams) from
    Enchanted (2007) in displays of Disney princesses as the actress refused
    to sell rights to her likeness. It wasn't conditional on casting.

    . . .

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Thu Apr 10 16:34:47 2025
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 19:47:14 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    10 Apr 2025 08:18:16 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>: >>>4/10/2025 7:27 AM, shawn wrote:
    Thu, 10 Apr 2025 07:11:14 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>:

    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3 >>>of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took >>>notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a
    little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a >>>teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about
    making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had
    forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They >>>interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of >>>some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had >>>heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she >>>insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the >>>producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take
    off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone >>>took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there
    still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept >>>filming.

    Sheesh, sounds like the producers should have been arrested for that.

    You say that like there are producers who shouldn't be arrested.

    They didn't even need to stop filming to get the guy proper medical >>attention.

    Seriously, it's not always a matter of criminal law if someone fails to >render assistance. Yes, there's liability and industrial hygiene >requirements, but that's civil law. Refusing to stop filming doesn't
    prevent anyone else from rendering aid. If someone is physically
    prevented from rendering aid, then it could be a crime.

    In this case, unless someone ceasing to perform his job would create a
    hazard on its own or make the emergency worse, like a grip in the
    process of securing a piece of equipment, there are plenty of P.A.s and >actors not needed for the scene just standing around. Fuck all of those >people for refusing to assist.

    That's the thing. Since there are quite a few people involved in any
    production like this I find it unlikely that no one was willing to
    help unless otherwise being ordered not to bother.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >>>documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show. >>>Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost

    Sing for their supper. :)

    immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of >>>the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing >>>away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion >>>dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products, >>>selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money.

    Though the problem is how many other actors did they have lined up if >>someone demanded to get paid for the use of their likeness. Which is
    always a problem if there aren't legal protections in place.

    How is that a problem? We have a word for performing labor and not being >compensated. Don't contractually engage in slavery. Let someone else do
    it. Famously, Disney isn't allowed to use Giselle (Amy Adams) from
    Enchanted (2007) in displays of Disney princesses as the actress refused
    to sell rights to her likeness. It wasn't conditional on casting.

    It's a problem if you are wanting to pay your bills so you need this
    job. I agree they shouldn't have signed the contract. That said many
    people sign bad contracts the first time around because they just want
    to have some rent money and either don't know what to look for or
    aren't given the time to review the contract. Hell, even Taylor Swift
    ran into some issues because of her first contract and she's proven to
    be a savvy businesswoman.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Apr 10 21:32:36 2025
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Thu, 10 Apr 2025 19:47:14 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    10 Apr 2025 08:18:16 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>:

    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3 >>>>of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took >>>>notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a >>>>little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a >>>>teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about >>>>making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had >>>>forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They >>>>interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of >>>>some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had >>>>heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she >>>>insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the >>>>producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take >>>>off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone >>>>took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there >>>>still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept >>>>filming.

    Sheesh, sounds like the producers should have been arrested for that.

    You say that like there are producers who shouldn't be arrested.

    They didn't even need to stop filming to get the guy proper medical >>>attention.

    Seriously, it's not always a matter of criminal law if someone fails to >>render assistance. Yes, there's liability and industrial hygiene >>requirements, but that's civil law. Refusing to stop filming doesn't >>prevent anyone else from rendering aid. If someone is physically
    prevented from rendering aid, then it could be a crime.

    In this case, unless someone ceasing to perform his job would create a >>hazard on its own or make the emergency worse, like a grip in the
    process of securing a piece of equipment, there are plenty of P.A.s and >>actors not needed for the scene just standing around. Fuck all of those >>people for refusing to assist.

    That's the thing. Since there are quite a few people involved in any >production like this I find it unlikely that no one was willing to
    help unless otherwise being ordered not to bother.

    If you are in a position to render aid, what does being ordered not to
    bother have to do with whether you render aid? If you could assit but
    choose not to, that's on you, not some other asshole.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >>>>documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show. >>>>Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost

    Sing for their supper. :)

    immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of >>>>the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing >>>>away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion >>>>dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products, >>>>selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money.

    Though the problem is how many other actors did they have lined up if >>>someone demanded to get paid for the use of their likeness. Which is >>>always a problem if there aren't legal protections in place.

    How is that a problem? We have a word for performing labor and not being >>compensated. Don't contractually engage in slavery. Let someone else do
    it. Famously, Disney isn't allowed to use Giselle (Amy Adams) from >>Enchanted (2007) in displays of Disney princesses as the actress refused
    to sell rights to her likeness. It wasn't conditional on casting.

    It's a problem if you are wanting to pay your bills so you need this job.

    You seem to be ignoring the main point that performing work for no
    compensation doesn't get the bills paid.

    I agree they shouldn't have signed the contract. That said many
    people sign bad contracts the first time around because they just want
    to have some rent money and either don't know what to look for or
    aren't given the time to review the contract. Hell, even Taylor Swift
    ran into some issues because of her first contract and she's proven to
    be a savvy businesswoman.

    The contract she signed may have been unfavorable to her -- she didn't
    own the master recordings of her earliest songs -- but she wasn't uncompensated. When she decided to re-release her earliest songs, she
    made new master recordings in order to do so.

    These actors were agreeing to give up something of value -- commercial exploitation of their own likenesses -- for no compensation. They were
    also performing stunts for which they had no training and I'll bet the producers wouldn't have paid for rehab if they were injured.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Thu Apr 10 18:58:48 2025
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 21:32:36 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Thu, 10 Apr 2025 19:47:14 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    10 Apr 2025 08:18:16 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>:

    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3 >>>>>of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took >>>>>notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a >>>>>little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a >>>>>teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about >>>>>making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had >>>>>forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They >>>>>interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of >>>>>some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had >>>>>heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she >>>>>insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the >>>>>producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take >>>>>off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone >>>>>took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there >>>>>still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept >>>>>filming.

    Sheesh, sounds like the producers should have been arrested for that.

    You say that like there are producers who shouldn't be arrested.

    They didn't even need to stop filming to get the guy proper medical >>>>attention.

    Seriously, it's not always a matter of criminal law if someone fails to >>>render assistance. Yes, there's liability and industrial hygiene >>>requirements, but that's civil law. Refusing to stop filming doesn't >>>prevent anyone else from rendering aid. If someone is physically >>>prevented from rendering aid, then it could be a crime.

    In this case, unless someone ceasing to perform his job would create a >>>hazard on its own or make the emergency worse, like a grip in the
    process of securing a piece of equipment, there are plenty of P.A.s and >>>actors not needed for the scene just standing around. Fuck all of those >>>people for refusing to assist.

    That's the thing. Since there are quite a few people involved in any >>production like this I find it unlikely that no one was willing to
    help unless otherwise being ordered not to bother.

    If you are in a position to render aid, what does being ordered not to
    bother have to do with whether you render aid? If you could assit but
    choose not to, that's on you, not some other asshole.

    Sure, they should give aid. I'm just considering that given the story
    it wouldn't surprise me if the producers ordered people who weren't
    busy to not help the guy and they chose not to do so for fear of being
    fired. Ass hole behavior, yes, on both the producers and the ones
    refusing to help.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >>>>>documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show. >>>>>Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost

    Sing for their supper. :)

    immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of >>>>>the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing >>>>>away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion >>>>>dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products, >>>>>selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money.

    Though the problem is how many other actors did they have lined up if >>>>someone demanded to get paid for the use of their likeness. Which is >>>>always a problem if there aren't legal protections in place.

    How is that a problem? We have a word for performing labor and not being >>>compensated. Don't contractually engage in slavery. Let someone else do >>>it. Famously, Disney isn't allowed to use Giselle (Amy Adams) from >>>Enchanted (2007) in displays of Disney princesses as the actress refused >>>to sell rights to her likeness. It wasn't conditional on casting.

    It's a problem if you are wanting to pay your bills so you need this job.

    You seem to be ignoring the main point that performing work for no >compensation doesn't get the bills paid.

    They were getting paid, just not for the use of their faces. They were
    still getting paid to make the content.

    I agree they shouldn't have signed the contract. That said many
    people sign bad contracts the first time around because they just want
    to have some rent money and either don't know what to look for or
    aren't given the time to review the contract. Hell, even Taylor Swift
    ran into some issues because of her first contract and she's proven to
    be a savvy businesswoman.

    The contract she signed may have been unfavorable to her -- she didn't
    own the master recordings of her earliest songs -- but she wasn't >uncompensated. When she decided to re-release her earliest songs, she
    made new master recordings in order to do so.

    These actors were agreeing to give up something of value -- commercial >exploitation of their own likenesses -- for no compensation. They were
    also performing stunts for which they had no training and I'll bet the >producers wouldn't have paid for rehab if they were injured.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Apr 10 23:08:11 2025
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Thu, 10 Apr 2025 21:32:36 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Thu, 10 Apr 2025 19:47:14 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    10 Apr 2025 08:18:16 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>:

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >>>>>>documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show. >>>>>>Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost

    Sing for their supper. :)

    immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of >>>>>>the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing >>>>>>away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion >>>>>>dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products, >>>>>>selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money.

    Though the problem is how many other actors did they have lined up if >>>>>someone demanded to get paid for the use of their likeness. Which is >>>>>always a problem if there aren't legal protections in place.

    How is that a problem? We have a word for performing labor and not being >>>>compensated. Don't contractually engage in slavery. Let someone else do >>>>it. Famously, Disney isn't allowed to use Giselle (Amy Adams) from >>>>Enchanted (2007) in displays of Disney princesses as the actress refused >>>>to sell rights to her likeness. It wasn't conditional on casting.

    It's a problem if you are wanting to pay your bills so you need this job.

    You seem to be ignoring the main point that performing work for no >>compensation doesn't get the bills paid.

    They were getting paid, just not for the use of their faces. They were
    still getting paid to make the content.

    They were paid for a production week (I assume). They were not paid for exploiting their likenesses, which would have been additional income to
    help pay bills in future as merchandise sold. That's something entirely different, nothing to do with acting.

    . . .

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to arthur@alum.calberkeley.org on Fri Apr 11 04:30:42 2025
    In article <vt8nfp$37po3$1@dont-email.me>, arthur@alum.calberkeley.org wrote:
    On 4/10/25 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:

    What did you watch?

    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3
    of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took
    notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a
    little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a >teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about
    making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had
    forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They >interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of
    some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had
    heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she >insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the
    producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take
    off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone
    took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there
    still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept
    filming.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show.
    Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost >immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of
    the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing
    away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion
    dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products,
    selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money. It
    was a non union show which had its' own list of horrors they put the
    actors through. One of the actors said Disney bought the show, then it
    went union and suddenly they cared if they got hurt or not and they
    brought in stuntmen to the dangerous scenes.

    Then there were all the deaths, suicides, murder. The murder they
    talked about could be it's own documentary. A lot of this fans of the
    show will already know about, but it was still an interesting watch and
    had several things I wasn't already aware of, in particular details >surrounding the suicide of Jason David Frank, who was the most popular >ranger.

    Shit! I didn't realize there was so much behind-the-scenes stuff going on
    with that show!

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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri Apr 11 08:20:43 2025
    On 4/10/2025 2:32 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Thu, 10 Apr 2025 19:47:14 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    10 Apr 2025 08:18:16 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>:

    Hollywood Demons (HBOMax) - "Dark Side of the Power Rangers" - Episode 3 >>>>> of this documentary series. This episode is the reason I even took
    notice of this series, it focused on "The Power Rangers." I was a
    little older when the show came out, but still enjoyed watching it as a >>>>> teenager. I've only ever heard horror stories from the cast about
    making this show, and this documentary was no different. I had
    forgotten they shot the pilot with a different "Yellow Ranger." They >>>>> interviewed her about the pilot. She said they were in the middle of >>>>> some dessert in heat when one of the stuntmen in a rubber swimsuit had >>>>> heat stroke. She said the guy was on the ground flopping around and she >>>>> insisted they stop filming and get the guy an ambulance. But the
    producers refused to stop filming and offered $100 for anyone to take >>>>> off the costume and put it on so they could keep filming, and someone >>>>> took the $100, took the costume off the man, and left the guy there
    still shaking, but now in the his socks and underwear, and they kept >>>>> filming.

    Sheesh, sounds like the producers should have been arrested for that.

    You say that like there are producers who shouldn't be arrested.

    They didn't even need to stop filming to get the guy proper medical
    attention.


    True. They did call an ambulance. The point of the actress was she was
    there in person seeing the man in medical distress in front of her, and
    didn't want to pretend it wasn't happening. And the other slap in the
    face was they couldn't keep acting anyway because the man was wearing
    the costume, so the producers offered $100 to strip him so they could
    keep acting.


    Seriously, it's not always a matter of criminal law if someone fails to
    render assistance. Yes, there's liability and industrial hygiene
    requirements, but that's civil law. Refusing to stop filming doesn't
    prevent anyone else from rendering aid. If someone is physically
    prevented from rendering aid, then it could be a crime.

    In this case, unless someone ceasing to perform his job would create a
    hazard on its own or make the emergency worse, like a grip in the
    process of securing a piece of equipment, there are plenty of P.A.s and
    actors not needed for the scene just standing around. Fuck all of those
    people for refusing to assist.

    That's the thing. Since there are quite a few people involved in any
    production like this I find it unlikely that no one was willing to
    help unless otherwise being ordered not to bother.

    If you are in a position to render aid, what does being ordered not to
    bother have to do with whether you render aid? If you could assit but
    choose not to, that's on you, not some other asshole.

    And that's not even close to the most shocking story they told in the >>>>> documentary. There were so many shady things happened on that show. >>>>> Giving them contracts to sign, but telling them they had to sing almost

    Sing for their supper. :)


    Apparently that too.

    immediately with no time to let an agent review it first. The terms of >>>>> the contracts had the actors working for almost nothing while signing >>>>> away their likeness. Keep in mind, Power Rangers is a mutlibillion
    dollar franchise. They were putting the actors faces on products,
    selling the products, and not giving the actors any of the money.

    Though the problem is how many other actors did they have lined up if
    someone demanded to get paid for the use of their likeness. Which is
    always a problem if there aren't legal protections in place.

    How is that a problem? We have a word for performing labor and not being >>> compensated. Don't contractually engage in slavery. Let someone else do
    it. Famously, Disney isn't allowed to use Giselle (Amy Adams) from
    Enchanted (2007) in displays of Disney princesses as the actress refused >>> to sell rights to her likeness. It wasn't conditional on casting.

    It's a problem if you are wanting to pay your bills so you need this job.

    You seem to be ignoring the main point that performing work for no compensation doesn't get the bills paid.

    I agree they shouldn't have signed the contract. That said many
    people sign bad contracts the first time around because they just want
    to have some rent money and either don't know what to look for or
    aren't given the time to review the contract. Hell, even Taylor Swift
    ran into some issues because of her first contract and she's proven to
    be a savvy businesswoman.

    The contract she signed may have been unfavorable to her -- she didn't
    own the master recordings of her earliest songs -- but she wasn't uncompensated. When she decided to re-release her earliest songs, she
    made new master recordings in order to do so.

    These actors were agreeing to give up something of value -- commercial exploitation of their own likenesses -- for no compensation. They were
    also performing stunts for which they had no training and I'll bet the producers wouldn't have paid for rehab if they were injured.


    The doing their own stunts part caught me off guard. I think in the
    back of my mind, I generally knew that, but still they're wearing masks.
    There was no reason the actors needed to be doing dangerous stunts.
    And the second the show went union they brought in professional stunt
    people. And the hours they were working them, doing both stunts and
    acting, were well beyond the industry normal. One of the anecdotes they
    told was of Amy Jo Johnson who played the original "Pink Ranger" would
    walk off and shake and cry uncontrollably for a moment, then compose
    herself, put a smile on and keep acting.

    Most of them never had a professional job before. They were happy just
    to be there. And the producers structured the handing them the
    contracts and getting the signatures in such a way that they couldn't
    have had them reviewed before signing. These were nonprofessional teens
    handed contracts to star in a TV show and only given a few hours to
    review and sign. They weren't thinking cereal box and toy likeness, and
    even if they were they had *no* leverage. The original "Yellow Ranger"
    said she could see from the start it was shady. She spoke up. And she
    was fired after the pilot. Then famously when the contracts came time
    to renew they all demanded more money. Three of them backed down and
    the three who didn't were fired.

    In later seasons even people who kept their mouths shut and didn't
    complain were being replaced. One of the actors interviewed said she
    showed up to work one day and one of the other actors asked her if she
    knew about the open casting call for her part. They didn't even bother
    to tell her they were casting her replacement while she was filming.

    One of the behind the scenes studio people who was interviewed made a
    snide comment against the actors for claiming they created the
    characters and said the actors didn't create anything the studio created
    it. Except, the show wasn't original. It was an existing Japanese show
    that the studio was reusing the footage from. It was the faces of the
    American actors selling the product. And they weren't just acting on
    the show, they touring nationwide making personal appearances too.

    For me as a fan who watched the original show, and for lots of other
    fans it was absolutely specific actors that kept us coming back. When
    the last original actor from the show left, that's when I stopped
    watching. They even talked about that how some specific actors were
    wildly popular and the ratings revolved around those specific actors/characters.

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