• [OT] Fraudster shows up at someone's door and refuses to leave without

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 11 18:51:34 2025
    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.

    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500
    to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story
    that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but
    it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or
    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But
    the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they
    know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might
    find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the
    answers to obvious questions.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Rhino on Fri Apr 11 16:20:18 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.

    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500
    to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story
    that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but
    it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or

    Old and scared


    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But
    the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they
    know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might
    find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the answers to obvious questions.

    I like the part where he took a check



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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 11 20:14:32 2025
    On 2025-04-11 7:20 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.

    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500
    to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story
    that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but
    it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or

    Old and scared

    Good point. Old people often get taken in. I remember when I was doing
    tech support and one of my callers told me that she'd fallen for the grandson-in-jail-needing-bail-money scam.

    Of course it's not just old people getting fooled. My brother got
    scammed several times and never seemed to learn from it. I don't know
    how many gift cards he bought for women he'd met online who begged him
    for money....

    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But
    the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they
    know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might
    find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the
    answers to obvious questions.

    I like the part where he took a check



    I hope they had the sense to call the police and the bank the minute he
    left so that they could be forewarned and could arrest him when he tried
    to cash the cheque. Then again, if they had, the story would have been
    about his arrest. Even a signature that didn't match the signature card
    might have been enough to defeat him. Mind you, I don't know if there is anything resembling an attempt to match signatures any more; I suspect
    that's gone the way of the dodo and the banks just ignore signatures
    entirely. I don't know if my signature has ever matched the my signature
    card since it's completely inconsistent but I've never had a cheque
    refused because of it.


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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 01:47:06 2025
    On Apr 11, 2025 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.


    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500
    to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story
    that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but
    it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or
    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But
    the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they
    know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might
    find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the answers to obvious questions.

    Once again, a situation that could have easily been solved if you guys weren't banned from owning guns.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 11 22:31:35 2025
    On 2025-04-11 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 11, 2025 at 3:51:34 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.


    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500
    to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story
    that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but
    it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or
    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But
    the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they
    know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might
    find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the
    answers to obvious questions.

    Once again, a situation that could have easily been solved if you guys weren't
    banned from owning guns.


    Agreed!

    Mind you, private ownership of guns isn't *completely* banned yet but
    Carney is already promising to tighten ownership regulations even
    further if he gets elected April 28. We don't have anything resembling a
    Second Amendment in this country and the laws around self-defense
    strongly favour the criminal.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sat Apr 12 12:42:20 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-11 7:20 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.

    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500 >>> to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story >>> that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but
    it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or

    Old and scared

    Good point. Old people often get taken in. I remember when I was doing
    tech support and one of my callers told me that she'd fallen for the grandson-in-jail-needing-bail-money scam.

    Of course it's not just old people getting fooled. My brother got
    scammed several times and never seemed to learn from it. I don't know
    how many gift cards he bought for women he'd met online who begged him
    for money....

    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But >>> the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they
    know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might
    find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the
    answers to obvious questions.

    I like the part where he took a check



    I hope they had the sense to call the police and the bank the minute he
    left so that they could be forewarned and could arrest him when he tried
    to cash the cheque. Then again, if they had, the story would have been
    about his arrest. Even a signature that didn't match the signature card
    might have been enough to defeat him. Mind you, I don't know if there is anything resembling an attempt to match signatures any more; I suspect
    that's gone the way of the dodo and the banks just ignore signatures entirely. I don't know if my signature has ever matched the my signature
    card since it's completely inconsistent but I've never had a cheque
    refused because of it.

    My arthritis has altered my signature so badly that I have trouble at banks
    all the time. So they definitely still look at signatures.



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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 15:46:45 2025
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 12:42:20 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-11 7:20 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.

    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500 >>>> to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story >>>> that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but >>>> it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or

    Old and scared

    Good point. Old people often get taken in. I remember when I was doing
    tech support and one of my callers told me that she'd fallen for the
    grandson-in-jail-needing-bail-money scam.

    Of course it's not just old people getting fooled. My brother got
    scammed several times and never seemed to learn from it. I don't know
    how many gift cards he bought for women he'd met online who begged him
    for money....

    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But >>>> the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they
    know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might
    find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the >>>> answers to obvious questions.

    I like the part where he took a check



    I hope they had the sense to call the police and the bank the minute he
    left so that they could be forewarned and could arrest him when he tried
    to cash the cheque. Then again, if they had, the story would have been
    about his arrest. Even a signature that didn't match the signature card
    might have been enough to defeat him. Mind you, I don't know if there is
    anything resembling an attempt to match signatures any more; I suspect
    that's gone the way of the dodo and the banks just ignore signatures
    entirely. I don't know if my signature has ever matched the my signature
    card since it's completely inconsistent but I've never had a cheque
    refused because of it.

    My arthritis has altered my signature so badly that I have trouble at banks >all the time. So they definitely still look at signatures.

    Probably a good thing I have not needed to go to a bank in ages. My
    handwriting (without arthritis) has always been variable. To the point
    where I just kind of laugh at it because it often doesn't even
    resemble what I know my signature should look like. Maybe because I
    get so little practice at it now that my bad handwriting is just
    getting worse.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Mon Apr 28 13:05:37 2025
    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 22:31:35 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Mind you, private ownership of guns isn't *completely* banned yet but
    Carney is already promising to tighten ownership regulations even
    further if he gets elected April 28. We don't have anything resembling a >Second Amendment in this country and the laws around self-defense
    strongly favour the criminal.

    Highly ironic given Canada Customs will REALLY throw the book at you
    if you are caught trying to bring a weapon cross-border.

    (Mind you about the only people caught doing this are (a) drug dealers
    (b) outlaw motorcycle gang members - often also doing (a), and
    American tourists who are amazed they are committing a crime with
    their pistol in the glove box)

    But then I was culturally amazed when I saw a large section of
    firearms in the sporting goods section of Walmart in Bellingham, WA
    during the pandemic

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to shawn on Tue Apr 29 10:08:04 2025
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 12:42:20 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-11 7:20 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    This is one of the weirder crime stories I've heard in a while.

    https://kitchener.citynews.ca/2025/04/11/fraudster-enters-guelph-home-refuses-to-leave-kitchen-until-paid/

    What were these people THINKING? Why on earth would they fork over $4500 >>>>> to some guy who insisted he was owed money? There's nothing in the story >>>>> that implies he used force or the threat of force to get the money but >>>>> it appears the homeowners knew his demands were bogus.

    I can only assume they were incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible or >>>>
    Old and scared

    Good point. Old people often get taken in. I remember when I was doing
    tech support and one of my callers told me that she'd fallen for the
    grandson-in-jail-needing-bail-money scam.

    Of course it's not just old people getting fooled. My brother got
    scammed several times and never seemed to learn from it. I don't know
    how many gift cards he bought for women he'd met online who begged him
    for money....

    that he had some kind of blackmail that he could apply against them. But >>>>> the fact that they'd called the police afterwards, suggest that they >>>>> know they were being scammed and had no fear of what the police might >>>>> find out about them if they responded to their call.

    As usual, the crime reporting in this area is abysmal and gives
    virtually no information that would make this make sense, including the >>>>> answers to obvious questions.

    I like the part where he took a check



    I hope they had the sense to call the police and the bank the minute he
    left so that they could be forewarned and could arrest him when he tried >>> to cash the cheque. Then again, if they had, the story would have been
    about his arrest. Even a signature that didn't match the signature card
    might have been enough to defeat him. Mind you, I don't know if there is >>> anything resembling an attempt to match signatures any more; I suspect
    that's gone the way of the dodo and the banks just ignore signatures
    entirely. I don't know if my signature has ever matched the my signature >>> card since it's completely inconsistent but I've never had a cheque
    refused because of it.

    My arthritis has altered my signature so badly that I have trouble at banks >> all the time. So they definitely still look at signatures.

    Probably a good thing I have not needed to go to a bank in ages. My handwriting (without arthritis) has always been variable. To the point
    where I just kind of laugh at it because it often doesn't even
    resemble what I know my signature should look like. Maybe because I
    get so little practice at it now that my bad handwriting is just
    getting worse.


    That’s a fair point. The only thing I write manual anymore is my signature…

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