An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant
carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the
fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

--
Rhino

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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant >carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the
fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a
matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

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On Apr 17, 2025 at 10:41:45 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

And he was violating a parole curfew just by being out that night.

It's shit like this that pushes people to vigilantism.

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On Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant
carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the
fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

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On 2025-04-17 2:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant
carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the
fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

So did I. Unfortunately, the Liberals have been very sympathetic to the DEI/woke types, including in the appointment of activist judges. I am
hoping this changes if the Conservatives form the next federal
government on April 28 but the Liberals are in serious danger of winning
a 4th consecutive term so we may be stuck with this nonsense for the
forseeable future.

The man who committed this crime was hitting speeds of 237 kilometers
per hour (147 mph) before this accident on roads that presumably had
lots of black ice due to the temperatures and refused to slow down
despite his passenger begging him to slow down. I don't see how being
black while driving like an asshole should reduce his sentence just
because *other* blacks had gotten into trouble with the law.

--
Rhino

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On 2025-04-17 3:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 17, 2025 at 10:41:45 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.


https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant
carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

And he was violating a parole curfew just by being out that night.

Which the judge dismissed as "irrelevant" for no comprehensible reason.

It's shit like this that pushes people to vigilantism.

It would in most countries but this country only rarely rises to anger,
at least in significant numbers. As a wise man once said: "When all is
said and done, more will be said than done." We tend not to even do a
lot of saying except in places that are safely ignored like YouTube
comments.

--
Rhino

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On 4/17/2025 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.


https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant
carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the
fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a
matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

Maybe they're over-represented because they're more likely to be given
prison sentences.

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On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:11:16 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 4/17/2025 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of >>>> his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.



https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant
carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the
fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a >>> matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized >> percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

Maybe they're over-represented because they're more likely to be given prison sentences.

Nope. FBI stats disprove that little dodge.

For example, blacks-- who are 19% of the population-- commit over 50% of the murders in America.

And that's just one crime where they're wildly over-represented as perpetrators.

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of >>>his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant >>>carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the
fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient >>>justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a >>matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized >percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

It's not a matter of representation! In the justice system, a criminal sentenced to prison isn't representing anyone, any class, nor any race.
He's sentenced upon having been convicted of a crime that he, and no one
else, committed.

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 10:41:45 AM PDT, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of
them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's
skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant >>carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

And he was violating a parole curfew just by being out that night.

Bonk

Parole is a sentence upon conviction of a prior crime. It means the
sentence is not served in custody, so if parole is violated, the convict
is required to finish his sentence in custody, either jail or prison
depending on how long the custody sentence would have been without
parole.

It's actually a condition of parole that one agrees NOT to commit
another crime.

Where's the explanation for why the judge of the earlier case didn't acknowledge the parole violation, rescind parole, then order him to
serve out his time in prison?

It's shit like this that pushes people to vigilantism.

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On 4/17/2025 4:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:11:16 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 4/17/2025 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> >>> wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of >>>>> his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of >>>>> them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.



https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's >>>>> skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant
carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the >>>>> fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a >>>> matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized >>> percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

Maybe they're over-represented because they're more likely to be given
prison sentences.

Nope. FBI stats disprove that little dodge.

For example, blacks-- who are 19% of the population-- commit over 50% of the murders in America.

And that's just one crime where they're wildly over-represented as perpetrators.

You think blacks *aren't* historically more likely to be handed a prison sentence? Afaics, your little "FBI stats" example doesn't address that.

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On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:58:33 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 4/17/2025 4:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 17, 2025 at 1:11:16 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>

On 4/17/2025 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> >>>> wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

An 18 year old who killed one of his passengers when he lost control of
his car while driving at ridiculous speeds - and injured the rest of >>>>>> them - has received a reduced sentence simply for being black.




https://www.yorkregion.com/news/crime/why-was-race-of-man-who-killed-my-daughter-considered-in-sentencing-mother-asks/article_2be8e4be-27df-500e-b0dc-265a67a6da14.html

The mother of the woman killed is trying to understand why the man's >>>>>> skin colour should be a factor in the sentence given his flagrant >>>>>> carelessness in operating the car. So am I.

A group lobbying for different treatment of black offenders says the >>>>>> fact that blacks are over-represented in prisons is sufficient
justification for reducing the sentence.

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a
matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime. >>>>

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized
percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

Maybe they're over-represented because they're more likely to be given >>> prison sentences.

Nope. FBI stats disprove that little dodge.

For example, blacks-- who are 19% of the population-- commit over 50% of the
murders in America.

And that's just one crime where they're wildly over-represented as
perpetrators.

You think blacks *aren't* historically more likely to be handed a prison sentence? Afaics, your little "FBI stats" example doesn't address that.

It *does* address that they're committing way more crimes in the first place. Maybe stop doing that and you don't have to worry about getting a longer
prison sentence than whitey.

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 1:58:33 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>4/17/2025 4:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 1:11:16 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>4/17/2025 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

. . .

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a >>>>>>matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized >>>>>percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

Maybe they're over-represented because they're more likely to be given >>>>prison sentences.

Nope. FBI stats disprove that little dodge.

For example, blacks-- who are 19% of the population-- commit over 50%
of the murders in America.

And that's just one crime where they're wildly over-represented as >>>perpetrators.

You think blacks *aren't* historically more likely to be handed a prison >>sentence? Afaics, your little "FBI stats" example doesn't address that.

It *does* address that they're committing way more crimes in the first place. >Maybe stop doing that and you don't have to worry about getting a longer >prison sentence than whitey.

Wow.

moviePig thinks he's made a political point by condemning statistics he's completely unfamiliar with? That makes him... a Republican.

This isn't rocket science. Normalize by comparing comparable crimes and
prior convictions and sentences received upon the latest conviction. Then
argue whether judges are discriminating in sentences on race.

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On 4/17/2025 7:19 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 1:58:33 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

4/17/2025 4:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 1:11:16 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

4/17/2025 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

. . .

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a >>>>>>> matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized
percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

Maybe they're over-represented because they're more likely to be given >>>>> prison sentences.

Nope. FBI stats disprove that little dodge.

For example, blacks-- who are 19% of the population-- commit over 50%
of the murders in America.

And that's just one crime where they're wildly over-represented as
perpetrators.

You think blacks *aren't* historically more likely to be handed a prison >>> sentence? Afaics, your little "FBI stats" example doesn't address that.

It *does* address that they're committing way more crimes in the first place.
Maybe stop doing that and you don't have to worry about getting a longer
prison sentence than whitey.

Wow.

moviePig thinks he's made a political point by condemning statistics he's completely unfamiliar with? That makes him... a Republican.

Wow. Adam, still sniping from behind his kill-file, hallucinates that
moviePig expressed any opinion whatsoever about any FBI-stats.

This isn't rocket science. Normalize by comparing comparable crimes and
prior convictions and sentences received upon the latest conviction. Then argue whether judges are discriminating in sentences on race.

I meant only to raise an obvious possibility, not to start URL-tag...

...but you feel free to knock yourself out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity#United_States_2

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Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 1:58:33 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

4/17/2025 4:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 1:11:16 PM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

4/17/2025 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

Apr 17, 2025 at 11:47:35 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

. . .

Being sentenced to prison is a representation issue? I thought it was a >>>>>>> matter of justice, taking into account the seriousness of the crime.

"blacks are over-represented in prisons"

Maybe they're over-represented in prisons because they commit an outsized
percentage of the crimes.

But you're raaaaaciiist if you notice that.

Maybe they're over-represented because they're more likely to be given >>>>> prison sentences.

Nope. FBI stats disprove that little dodge.

For example, blacks-- who are 19% of the population-- commit over 50%
of the murders in America.

And that's just one crime where they're wildly over-represented as
perpetrators.

You think blacks *aren't* historically more likely to be handed a prison >>> sentence? Afaics, your little "FBI stats" example doesn't address that.

It *does* address that they're committing way more crimes in the first place.
Maybe stop doing that and you don't have to worry about getting a longer
prison sentence than whitey.

Wow.

moviePig thinks he's made a political point by condemning statistics he's completely unfamiliar with? That makes him... a Republican.

Or just smarter than you.

This isn't rocket science. Normalize by comparing comparable crimes and
prior convictions and sentences received upon the latest conviction. Then argue whether judges are discriminating in sentences on race.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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